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Gender roles are distinct from sex, but I've never seen TERFs ever post anything in support of men doing things that are traditionally women's gender roles, soooooooooooooo
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.

This obsessive pre-occupation with other people's perception of you is retarded as fuck and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.
 
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.

This obsessive pre-occupation with other people's perception of you is retarded as fuck and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.

Yeah I seriously doubt the terves would agitate against anyone’s Nigel having a trad female job, or doing trad female unpaid labor like housework and remembering to send his mom a card on her birthday etc. They’d just doubt it was true lol.
 
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.
There were a whole lot of comments on /r/GC about how men shouldn't be OB/GYNs. It was a bit weird considering I know a lot of patients who actually prefer male OB/GYNs.
 
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.

This obsessive pre-occupation with other people's perception of you is retarded as fuck and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.
There were a whole lot of comments on /r/GC about how men shouldn't be OB/GYNs. It was a bit weird considering I know a lot of patients who actually prefer male OB/GYNs.
 
There were a whole lot of comments on /r/GC about how men shouldn't be OB/GYNs. It was a bit weird considering I know a lot of patients who actually prefer male OB/GYNs.
To be honest I can kind of get that --I'd feel weird about a lady doctor handling my junk-- but at the end of the day I trust these people to be professionals and don't consider myself such a hot property that everyone wants a go.

Yes well done @TaimuRadiu I see you've learned well from the troons who think 1-in-40,000 birth defects are proof that biological sex is a social construct. Now address my second point of why men in these jobs should give a fuck when it's clear women in general don't care or prefer them to be the ones doing the job.
 
Hmm...but OB/GYN isn’t a trad female job. Being a doctor of any sort is a trad male job, if anything. Too much money and prestige, trad female jobs are devalued, both outside and inside the home.

A more relevant example would be, I’m pretty sure you could find plenty of folks arguing against men being preschool teachers, or working directly with children too young to really understand or report abuse. That is a trad female job, and a man doing that job is one that would alarm a lot of people, not just terves.

I ended up with the male OB/GYN at the practice I went to because when I stated my preference for a scheduled c-section, the lady asked me if it was because I’d been molested. Lol no I was not molested, I’m just a planner. The guy was like, ok great, I can fit you in on this particular Friday when you will be exactly 38 weeks (because of travel I knew the exact date of conception) before I leave for my son’s destination wedding in Bali. Sold!
 
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There were a whole lot of comments on /r/GC about how men shouldn't be OB/GYNs. It was a bit weird considering I know a lot of patients who actually prefer male OB/GYNs.
@TaimuRadiu There's a huge difference between men who become gynos because they want to help women with their health and clearly mentally ill men who want to become gynos just so they can touch women without getting arrested for it.
 
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.

This obsessive pre-occupation with other people's perception of you is retarded as fuck and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.
The whole TERF position could be summed up as ‘there’s no magic gender juice, you can do any job you like, it doesn’t change your sex’.
 
@TaimuRadiu There's a huge difference between men who become gynos because they want to help women with their health and clearly mentally ill men who want to become gynos just so they can touch women without getting arrested for it.
Tell that to the people at gendercritical, they come across like they hate any man who isn't a manly chad

To be honest I can kind of get that --I'd feel weird about a lady doctor handling my junk-- but at the end of the day I trust these people to be professionals and don't consider myself such a hot property that everyone wants a go.

Yes well done @TaimuRadiu I see you've learned well from the troons who think 1-in-40,000 birth defects are proof that biological sex is a social construct. Now address my second point of why men in these jobs should give a fuck when it's clear women in general don't care or prefer them to be the ones doing the job.
Again, that what I've read from actual TERFs who constantly bitch about every little thing that a man does that's not a "traditional male" thing.
 
Gender roles are distinct from sex, but I've never seen TERFs ever post anything in support of men doing things that are traditionally women's gender roles, soooooooooooooo

Terfs would love men doing more traditional women's jobs like cleaning, domestic chores, volunteering in the community, or caring for elderly relatives. If only those True and Honest transwomen could find the time between all their performative spinny dresses, playing with their moobs and simpering around in anime girl costumes... but I guess despite being women's roles for hundreds of years, those examples of gender roles aren't valid. They're a bit too "thankless self-sacrifice" and not enough "gets my peepee hard"
 
Why should they? Conversely, I've never seen a TERF say men shouldn't be nurses, hairdressers, caregivers etc and I doubt men doing these jobs care much either way what TERFs or anyone else thinks. If it pays the bills who gives a fuck.

This obsessive pre-occupation with other people's perception of you is retarded as fuck and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.
Actually, I've there's a TERF on here that expressed that men being nurses was "disgusting". So there's a few radicals out there.
 
I liked reading the “Men’s Bodies” thing because 1. They basically all write in the exact same banal, self-pitying & self-conscious voice and 2. So many of those stories were about masturbating into personal belongings of moms & sisters and I find it remarkable how un-remarked-upon it is. It’s the equivalent of a book of girls sharing that they used to stick daddy or brothers toothbrush down their asscracks & waddle around the house with their manly lil toothbrush tails every chance they could get. No biggie! As if this means something about their very souls beyond having no boundaries and possessing self-centeredness in the extreme.
Not surprised, stealing clothing (and being aroused by wearing them) is incredibly normalized in MtF spaces. Respect and boundaries don't matter if they interfere with the coom. You can't throw a rock in r/MtF without hitting a shithead.

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Again, that what I've read from actual TERFs who constantly bitch about every little thing that a man does that's not a "traditional male" thing.
This thread is filled with TERFs, I've not seen any of this constant bitching you mention. In fact, in nearly a decade of dealing with feminists in varying capacities online and irl this is the first time I've seen this topic come up; if anything I mostly see feminists complaining there should be more men doing traditionally female roles.

Sounds like you've got a bad case of confirmation bias because you want an excuse to shit up the thread bitching about TERFs.
Actually, I've there's a TERF on here that expressed that men being nurses was "disgusting". So there's a few radicals out there.
I don't doubt it, but to me that's just the flip side of the 'one of the good ones' troon argument, although with TERFs it's become really muddy because the term is applied so broadly now.

I'm sure actual radical feminists believe all sorts of crazy shit, but the majority of people who now get painted with the TERF label in my experience are just women capable of recognising biological sex and sick of troon shit so I find more in common with them than not.
 
This thread is filled with TERFs, I've not seen any of this constant bitching you mention. In fact, in nearly a decade of dealing with feminists in varying capacities online and irl this is the first time I've seen this topic come up; if anything I mostly see feminists complaining there should be more men doing traditionally female roles.

Sounds like you've got a bad case of confirmation bias because you want an excuse to shit up the thread bitching about TERFs.

I don't doubt it, but to me that's just the flip side of the 'one of the good ones' troon argument, although with TERFs it's become really muddy because the term is applied so broadly now.

I'm sure actual radical feminists believe all sorts of crazy shit, but the majority of people who now get painted with the TERF label in my experience are just women capable of recognising biological sex and sick of troon shit so I find more in common with them than not.

Yall there's a whole TERF thread. Take your bitching there. I'm here to make fun of trannies.
 
This thread is filled with TERFs, I've not seen any of this constant bitching you mention. In fact, in nearly a decade of dealing with feminists in varying capacities online and irl this is the first time I've seen this topic come up; if anything I mostly see feminists complaining there should be more men doing traditionally female roles.

Sounds like you've got a bad case of confirmation bias because you want an excuse to shit up the thread bitching about TERFs.

I don't doubt it, but to me that's just the flip side of the 'one of the good ones' troon argument, although with TERFs it's become really muddy because the term is applied so broadly now.

I'm sure actual radical feminists believe all sorts of crazy shit, but the majority of people who now get painted with the TERF label in my experience are just women capable of recognising biological sex and sick of troon shit so I find more in common with them than not.
Yeah I'm talking about actual TERFs, not Karen who doesn't want her 12 year old girl get body slammed by a "girl" on the school wrestling team.
 
"One informant described masochistic fantasies during adolescence involving dis-memberment and dehumanization — fantasizing herself as a female farm animal being butchered. These fantasies later evolved to emphasize having female genitals: I grew up on a farm. I was masturbating by around age 13 or 14. My first fantasy was that I was a cow and my penis was the teat of a female cow. Then I imagined I was a mother sheep and I ended up getting slaughtered, because animals on farms get that done to them. I saw myself as all these pieces of meat. I thought this probably was not a very good thing to fantasize about. I developed the fantasy about having a vagina, which still remains. The evolution of this informant’s fantasies provides an example of an interesting phenomenon in which very distressing or ego-dystonic paraphilic fantasies some- times become superseded by less distressing, more acceptable ones."
I'm not trained in psychology, so I would be a fool to read this and try to describe a pathology. Frankly, I don't even know how well I'm using that word. But I've seen this more than once. At the cost of powerleveling a little, there was a time in my life where I was much more of a liberal progressive. To me, the fact that transpeople were "legitimate" and "valid" and deserving of advocacy and protection was self-evident. Then I spent time -- not directly inside of trans spaces, but adjacent to them. Close enough that I could really observe the way transpeople behave, especially amongst themselves.

I have seen every single form of depravity in the trans community, but this one's the worst, and I think it's more prevalent than any of them let on. (This excludes pedophilia, by the way. Troons just dogwhistle about Ageplay and they disguise their auto/pedophilia in fetish vernacular.) I made a post earlier in the thread about the troon who sits around collecting rent money while jacking off to pictures of Maid Marian being beheaded. I've seen troons say things like
"lmao killing me is totally hot either tearing me into bloody chunks or chewing me whole."
And several times I've seen this sort of "livestock" fetish, troons referring to their own "disposability." If I had to estimate, I would say I've seen a dozen different examples of AGP's with their wires so crossed- in exactly the same way -they look crocheted. Oh, rape as well. Troons fucking love rape. Sometimes it's hard to get them to shut up about it.

Many of them sit there and opine about how they lost interest in their fetishes after they started HRT. Invariably, they come to the wrong conclusion ("I feel more comfortable, more at peace with myself now that my dysphoria is better.") instead of understanding that HRT kills your sex drive dead. Most of those people still complain ceaselessly that anything triggers their dysphoria, but they never have enough self-reflection to get it. Then they start progesterone and for real, I'm surprised there haven't been more murders. I know I said I'm not a trained psychologist, but I don't think you have to be to understand: these are deeply, deeply mentally unwell men.

Long story short that's how I ended up here. I dare anyone to sit in on a trans Discord server for an entire week and not come out the other end a bit of a transphobe.
 
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