Clayton Ray Huff / Dream / DreamOnPvP / DreamTraps / DreamAF / DreamXD / DeltaKnight / DreamSkilful / Clayman23 - Fat Minecraft Youtuber with fans that want to torture and rape him and are in denial that he's fat.

[Shaka Brah]

I'm not as familiar with the other two, but if the PewDiePie fanbase of 2013 was still a thing today, there would absolutely be a community watch thread on that fanbase. It was full of screeching 12 year olds that couldn't stop themselves from flooding various parts of the internet with retarded PDP related memes. The only reason there wasn't a thread at the time was because the Farms were much smaller and more focused on classical lolcows like CWC, and afaik, there wasn't an internet famous section yet. The big difference is, as far as I can remember, this behavior wasn't actually encouraged by Felix like Dream does with his "kittens". His fanbase was also more male oriented and focused more on his humor than his (supposed) looks, so that may also make a big difference.

His fanbase was also much more like the old wild west internet sense of trolling and dark humor, which understandably made it less cringey than Dream's genderblobs with severe autism trying to get people canceled for saying retard. I don't think that sort of person could have existed in PDP's fanbase to begin with.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

Since we're all leaving notes for Dream, figured I'd give my two cents:

Everyone doesn't hate Markiplier's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate jacksepticeye's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate PewDiePie's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate Mr. Beast's fanbase.

But why does everyone hate Dream's?

Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have people confiding in Tumblr ask blogs about how bad their fandom is.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have Kiwi Farms threads filling up with ex-members of their fandom.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have multiple examples of their fandom bullying disadvantaged children.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have other creators going private on Twitter after their fandom begins mass-flagging their tweets.

But Clayton does?

How about you mull over that one in the bathtub at 4AM, Clayton. Why is it only you?

IDK if it's been said before, but the thing is Mark and Sean's fanbase had a lot in common with Clay's Harmless Little Kittens™ when they were at their peak. Unlike Spineless Clayton, when the first sign of trouble shown its ugly mug, both Mark and specially Sean tried to stop it from snowballing. They even started to distance from each other and the fanbase when the Septiplier jihadists started their campaign of harrassments. Something Clay could've done, but I guess for him the clout and revenue is something worth selling your soul for.

 

[Poop Fartious]

patiently awaiting when in roughly 5 hours all straight Minecraft boys will tweet “I love gays” or something (if they haven’t already) and get millions more likes than actual gay content creators

 

[Markorian]

He tries to be obtuse to his fanbase's retarded behavior, while simultaneously defending the worst elements of it. If the crazy part of your fanbase is such a small minority, like so many claim, why do you constantly go out of your way to defend them? It's going to bite him in the ass one day.

I'm not as familiar with the other two, but if the PewDiePie fanbase of 2013 was still a thing today, there would absolutely be a community watch thread on that fanbase. It was full of screeching 12 year olds that couldn't stop themselves from flooding various parts of the internet with retarded PDP related memes. The only reason there wasn't a thread at the time was because the Farms were much smaller and more focused on classical lolcows like CWC, and afaik, there wasn't an internet famous section yet. The big difference is, as far as I can remember, this behavior wasn't actually encouraged by Felix like Dream does with his "kittens". His fanbase was also more male oriented and focused more on his humor than his (supposed) looks, so that may also make a big difference.

So more advice for Dream, maybe do some research into PDP. I stopped paying attention a long time ago, so I don't know what actually happened. It all of a sudden seemed to mellow out when I started seeing him crop up again a few years ago. Maybe they just grew out of it, but if he could curtail his fanbase's autism, you can too. Not that you're going to bother, of course.

I was never a fan of pdp, and while his fans were obnoxious, it's nowhere near this. As annoying as I found pdp, he always called out the bad apples in his fanbase, and tried to shut it down where he could.

Dream actively and intentionally cultivates it. That's the difference between big youtubers from a decade ago and now. Modern youtubers are all about intentionally fostering harmful parasocial relationships.

 

[Bec]

The plot thickens.

 

[Gru]

patiently awaiting when in roughly 5 hours all straight Minecraft boys will tweet “I love gays” or something (if they haven’t already) and get millions more likes than actual gay content creators

Too late for that guess, because it's already trending!

IDK if it's been said before, but the thing is Mark and Sean's fanbase had a lot in common with Clay's Harmless Little Kittens™ when they were at their peak. Unlike Spineless Clayton when the first sign of trouble shown its ugly mug, both Mark and specially Sean tried to stop it from snowballing. They even started to distance from each other and the fanbase when the Septiplier jihadists started their campaign of harrassments. Something Clay could've done, but I guess for him the clout and revenue is something worth selling your soul for.

Dream's fanbase really is exactly like the mark and septiceye fanbase, I guess this is the answer to the question of "what if mark and sean encourage this for money?"

 

[Decepticon Spy]

I was never a fan of pdp, and while his fans were obnoxious, it's nowhere near this. As annoying as I found pdp, he always called out the bad apples in his fanbase, and tried to shut it down where he could.

Dream actively and intentionally cultivates it. That's the difference between big youtubers from a decade ago and now. Modern youtubers are all about intentionally fostering harmful parasocial relationships.

Old Youtubers did it because they enjoy the shit they do. The becoming famous and money part was just a bonus.

New Youtubers do it because it's the next hollywood. They get the fame, the money, and 12 year old pussy

 

[Gru]

Old Youtubers did it because they enjoy the shit they do. The becoming famous and money part was just a bonus.

New Youtubers do it because it's the next hollywood. They get the fame, the money, and 12 year old pussy

I unironically think that these events with Dream are going to bring in a new dark age for youtube. While as of right now there are still good youtubers that see relative success (under 100k) and stay humble, there's a lot more youtubers lately trying to jump on the dream bandwagon, I've already seen several youtubers that ripped off dream's manhunt trying to cultivate their own "subtwts" and stans. I've got no idea where the site's going to head if this stan shit continues to be normalized by the people on top, but I'm worried it's just going to leave the good smaller creators in the dirt to be harrassed by the stans of even the medium sized creators, since apparently they want those now.

In Dream's pursuit for money he's genuinely leaving a wasteland behind, a bit hyperbolic sure, but who really knows what the ramifications of encouraging stan culture to this degree with over TWENTY MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. We're already seeing tons of people get genuine actual harassment (not criticism) from this stan garbage.

 

[Markorian]

I unironically think that these events with Dream are going to bring in a new dark age for youtube. While as of right now there are still good youtubers that see relative success (under 100k) and stay humble, there's a lot more youtubers lately trying to jump on the dream bandwagon, I've already seen several youtubers that ripped off dream's manhunt trying to cultivate their own "subtwts" and stans. I've got no idea where the site's going to head if this stan shit continues to be normalized by the people on top, but I'm worried it's just going to leave the good smaller creators in the dirt to be harrassed by the stans of even the medium sized creators, since apparently they want those now.

In Dream's pursuit for money he's genuinely leaving a wasteland behind, a bit hyperbolic sure, but who really knows what the ramifications of encouraging stan culture to this degree with over TWENTY MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. We're already seeing tons of people get genuine actual harassment (not criticism) from this stan garbage.

Maybe hyperbolic to say him alone being the cause, but good lord, he's definitely contributing. Between the overly corporate nature of the modern direction of the site, increased censorship, blatant bias, and dream leading the charge of a new generation of outright sociopathic and manipulative content creators? Yeah, shit's fucked for years to come.

 

[Aidan]

If they ruin youtube that's a win in my book. wtf I love Dream now

 

[Poop Fartious]

I don't think it's fair to say Dream alone ushered in a dark age. There will always be good content and there will always be bottom of the barrel ripoffs- let's not pretend there weren't a million screaming retards in 2015 trying to become the next Markiplier- and obviously now there's a lot more bad content because of youtube's corporatization but that was happening long before Dream started his channel

 

[Markorian]

I don't think it's fair to say Dream alone ushered in a dark age. There will always be good content and there will always be bottom of the barrel ripoffs- let's not pretend there weren't a million screaming retards in 2015 trying to become the next Markiplier- and obviously now there's a lot more bad content because of youtube's corporatization but that was happening long before Dream started his channel

I don't think good content will cease to exist or anything, but it's going to be a lot harder for good content to become successful, and a lot of potentially good creators will become discouraged and quit before hitting what would have been their stride.

 

[Gru]

let's not pretend there weren't a million screaming retards in 2015 trying to become the next Markiplier.

I don't really mean in terms of ripping off Dream's content, I meant moreso his tactics for managing his fanbase

In other words, what @Markorian said, minus the sociopathic part (Dream's not a sociopath, just a dickhead):

Maybe hyperbolic to say him alone being the cause, but good lord, he's definitely contributing. Between the overly corporate nature of the modern direction of the site, increased censorship, blatant bias, and dream leading the charge of a new generation of outright sociopathic and manipulative content creators? Yeah, shit's fucked for years to come.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

I unironically think that these events with Dream are going to bring in a new dark age for youtube. While as of right now there are still good youtubers that see relative success (under 100k) and stay humble, there's a lot more youtubers lately trying to jump on the dream bandwagon, I've already seen several youtubers that ripped off dream's manhunt trying to cultivate their own "subtwts" and stans. I've got no idea where the site's going to head if this stan shit continues to be normalized by the people on top, but I'm worried it's just going to leave the good smaller creators in the dirt to be harrassed by the stans of even the medium sized creators, since apparently they want those now.

In Dream's pursuit for money he's genuinely leaving a wasteland behind, a bit hyperbolic sure, but who really knows what the ramifications of encouraging stan culture to this degree with over TWENTY MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. We're already seeing tons of people get genuine actual harassment (not criticism) from this stan garbage.

You overestimate Dream's influence. He's popular, sure, and he'll have a lot of imitators, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Most of the people who know about him have considered him a laughing-stock for months. There are bigger threats to YouTube's integrity, like the massive amount of content that is marketed towards children despite not being properly vetted.

 

[Aidan]

You overestimate Dream's influence. He's popular, sure, and he'll have a lot of imitators, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Most of the people who know about him have considered him a laughing-stock for months. There are bigger threats to YouTube's integrity, like the massive amount of content that is marketed towards children despite not being properly vetted.

I'm not going off topic beyond this post but this is probably the biggest problem I've had with youtube for 5 or so years now. I urge everyone to check it out by using a separate browser and a private tab, a VPN if you can, and then clicking a kiddy video on youtube and keeping it on autoplay.
Let it run on autoplay and periodically check in so it doesn't time out.

I haven't done it in a few months now but every time I do, it gets really weird pretty quick. I've seen child family members go down this rabbit hole and they just let it go, sometimes completely enchanted by those weird ass videos, watching the same one for hours and hours.

 

[Gru]

You overestimate Dream's influence. He's popular, sure, and he'll have a lot of imitators, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. Most of the people who know about him have considered him a laughing-stock for months. There are bigger threats to YouTube's integrity, like the massive amount of content that is marketed towards children despite not being properly vetted.

Yeah I was definitely being hyperbolic, I don't think Dream alone is going to "threaten youtube's integrity" (that's gay). But as said before, he's definitely contributing to a much more hostile climate around content creators in general.

It's just something that's a bit thunk-provoking if you will, I don't think we've ever seen a fanbase be encouraged to this scale before from someone this popular, even pewdiepie shut his fanbase down every once in a while. It's not something that's looking like it'll be a smooth fallout, Dream's downfall is probably going to be very messy as a result. (all the more to laugh at)

 

[Smacky]

His fanbase was also more male oriented and focused more on his humor than his (supposed) looks, so that may also make a big difference.

I'm not sure that's true, if you look back at what was going on at the time, it's eerily similar to the Dream fandom's activites. You had all the people shipping PewDiePie, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, making similar looking artwork of them to what you see today for the Dream people, and writing all the fanfictions, and usually the people involved with this stuff are girls.

Maybe you could say there were multiple offshoots of the fandom, with one consisting of cringy kids in YouTube comments who mostly happen to be boys, but the former was certainly significant. Though, compared to the Dream fandom it at least appeared more tame, probably because there were just less people in general watching YouTube at the time, and the climate was a bit different, so you wouldn't have as much open crazy weirdos, woke activism virtue signaling, etc.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

I'm not sure that's true, if you look back at what was going on at the time, it's eerily similar to the Dream fandom's activites. You had all the people shipping PewDiePie, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, making similar looking artwork of them to what you see today for the Dream people, and writing all the fanfictions, and usually the people involved with this stuff are girls.

Maybe you could say there were multiple offshoots of the fandom, with one consisting of cringy kids in YouTube comments who mostly happen to be boys, but the former was certainly significant. Though, compared to the Dream fandom it at least appeared more tame, probably because there were just less people in general watching YouTube at the time, and the climate was a bit different, so you wouldn't have as much open crazy weirdos, woke activism virtue signaling, etc.

It's been said before and it will be said again, Mark, Sean and Felix have shown to take responsibility on moderating the activity of their stans and exercised their authority as a role model and done whatever is necessary to intervene when said stans go way out of line and become serial killers in the making. Clayton, on the other hand, won't give shit if the 14 year olds started to masturbate on his fictional mangled corpse as long as they spend money on his garbage merch and worship him like a vegetable on a golden toilet seat.

 

[Smacky]

It's been said before and it will be said again, Mark, Sean and Felix have shown to take responsibility on moderating the activity of their stans and exercised their authority as a role model and done whatever is necessary to intervene when said stans go way out of line and become serial killers in the making. Clayton, on the other hand, won't give shit if the 14 year olds started to masturbate on his fictional mangled corpse as long as they spend money on his garbage merch and worship him like a vegetable on a golden toilet seat.

For sure, the way the content creators themselves treated the fanbases are totally different, it's just the way they naturally formed and behaved are generally very similar.

 

[Merken]

Don't know if anyone cares but Dream is streaming on Twitch right now talkin about the cheating accusation and stuff. This sounds like bait but it is real.

https://www.twitch.tv/dreamwastaken

Is there a way I can watch this without givin views/money?