Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

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I can't decide if feminist memes suck cause their made by women or because they're a subgroup of leftists memes.

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Lol, dumb feminist is dumb. If you were on a site where users were unironically using Tits or GTFO. Then they didn't want to you to be submissive. They wanted you to stop posting "I'm a woman, look at me!" nonsense.
 
UK Alpha TERF Julie Bindel responds to Cathy Brennan: "The US is not exactly a country in which oppressed and marginalised people can feel safe and secure."

This is a bit old but I personally first got wind of this after watching this video segment:




From Julie Bindel's article:



LMAO, the US is literally one of the safest places if not the safest place on the whole planet to be LGBT. If Julie Bindel disbelieves this she should book a trip to the US after the pandemic. Does the UK even have a MichFest of its own? There you go. America has them, the UK doesn't. The EU on the other hand is importing large numbers of radical extremists who hate all women (especially Western women whom they consider to be "whores" that they are allowed to sexually abuse as long as they keep their own girls "safe" whom they also sexually abuse and rape), hate LGBT, hate "infidel" non-believers, etc., and think very little of terrorizing and murdering their objects of hate to declare their superiority over them. Anyway, Julie's generation of politically correct "intersectional" feminists will realize way too late what all this PC intersectionalism she prides herself on has brought into their midst.
A lot of UK Radfems and the left are very, very quiet about the crimes by Muslim gangs and the deaths of Muslim women at the hands of Muslim men. I suppose that's taboo in the UK. They also never seem to defend the feminists who don't completely agree with them. While Bindel has done some very good work, she's a dogmatic hypocrite who engages in childish and unprofessional behaviour.

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It's official, Bongfems are officially the most retarded and least based of the anglosphere Radfems.
Here’s the Trans Exclusionary:

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And one post later on the same thread, the Radical Feminist:

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They can never give any good examples in their arguments. I find the one about "too cowardly to defend the weak" really funny. One of my friends is training and working out so that he can defend his young and elderly relatives whenever something happens to them. Also I know a guy who can rock nail polish and earrings while still being really cool and masculine.
 
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For Women is the main TERF org in scotland. SNP has gone full-on in its support of stonewall which is a leading tranny organisation.

in response FW are retweeting someone who says they're trans doing a "TRAs are the real transphobes" thing... by pointing out that SW wants to treat trannies the same as all women not as a separate group.
there are so many arguments to be made against the tranny phenomenon and SW, this is not one of them. you're reinforcing the other sides' priors that this is a valid thing at all.

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A lot of UK Radfems and the left are very, very quiet about the crimes by Muslim gangs and the deaths of Muslim women at the hands of Muslim men. I suppose that's taboo in the UK. They also never seem to defend the feminists who don't completely agree with them. While Bindel has done some very good work, she's a dogmatic hypocrite who engages in childish and unprofessional behaviour.
I appreciate it doesn't quite fit your agenda but... Julie Bindel was one of the first mainstream journalists of any persuasion to write about the crimes of Muslim grooming gangs (back in 2007 - sorry, paywall and no share token), and she has a long track record of campaigning against FGM. And, she's been writing about the problem of troonery for longer than most of the incel contributors to this thread have been capable of cracking out a hate wank over all the women who've rejected them.

While I think even Bindel herself would probably accept 'dogmatic' and 'sometimes engages in childish behaviour', I'm not sure anyone has yet managed to make the charge of hypocrisy stick yet - she's maintained a remarkably consistent line in things for 30+ years, even as others have softened their approaches. Despite being of the left, she's always been prepared to step away from left orthodoxy rather than abandon her values.
 
I appreciate it doesn't quite fit your agenda but... Julie Bindel was one of the first mainstream journalists of any persuasion to write about the crimes of Muslim grooming gangs (back in 2007 - sorry, paywall and no share token), and she has a long track record of campaigning against FGM.
Lol, and what massive outcry has there been on joke sentences of the gangs? I don't keep up with UK politics or activism. So perhaps there has been a outcry on the part of fems. That actually was properly directed at muslim rapists.

than most of the incel contributors to this thread have been capable of cracking out a hate wank over all the women who've rejected them.
Lol, if any of those women were like these ones or perhaps these. It really sounds like I dodged a load of buckshot.

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...and a serious sex freak.
 
While we’re on the subject of Julie Bindle, she’s sueing troon propaganda clickbait shitrag Pink News for libel.


While I have no love for Bindle, I dislike Benjamin Cohen far more and the thought of him being forced to apologise to Bindle and give her money is delicious, as will watching his readers seethe.
I’ll be keeping an eye on developments.
 
I appreciate it doesn't quite fit your agenda but... Julie Bindel was one of the first mainstream journalists of any persuasion to write about the crimes of Muslim grooming gangs (back in 2007 - sorry, paywall and no share token), and she has a long track record of campaigning against FGM. And, she's been writing about the problem of troonery for longer than most of the incel contributors to this thread have been capable of cracking out a hate wank over all the women who've rejected them.
Yeah, that is true. I don't deny she's done some amazing work. I've mentioned it before on the Islam apologist thread that she was one of the very few who actually spoke out against it. She's a very vocal campaigner and I do admire that. I just feel that at times she isn't exactly professional. I don't like the way how she handled the entire WOLF scenario and her response to Posie Parker. She made some good points in this debate for example, but the moment she brought up the "white men" argument, she lost it completely.
While we’re on the subject of Julie Bindle, she’s sueing troon propaganda clickbait shitrag Pink News for libel.


While I have no love for Bindle, I dislike Benjamin Cohen far more and the thought of him being forced to apologise to Bindle and give her money is delicious, as will watching his readers seethe.
I’ll be keeping an eye on developments.
The accusations and shit Bindel's gone through is absurd though.
 
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LMAO, half of Ovarit and a significant portion of tards who contribute to the tranny threads would fit right fine in the FemCels thread.

Stones, Glass, Houses, etc.
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*Of particular note here is the straight from Incels.Co high jacking of the "Life on easy mode" theme
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That's just the last two pages.
EvRy oNe wHo crItiCEs aRe InCeLS & HOPs!
 
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I'm impressed at how many in the comments are basically shooting her down. Ovarit had this weird phase where when it first started, there was (overall) a lot more measured attitude with fewer lolcow posts, then they got an influx of members after that Atlantic article and really started churning out the hilarious kind of shit that used to get posted on r/GenderCritical, but since then it's slowly toned downed and mainly just had gentle opposition to the lolcow shit (which is still leagues different from the usual hugbox they can start.) Still lots of good nuggets like this.
 
There are some real fools in this TERF/gender critical community who exhibit a mentally unwell level of hatred towards men and trans people. That makes it hard to stand up for them as a community - as some of their members really shoot themselves in the foot with their talk of the evil patriarchy.

Having said that, any cisgender woman that criticizes the trans community nowadays is labeled as a TERF - like JK Rowling. It's the new "bigot" "racist" or "anti-Semite." Simply shut off criticism by throwing a scary label that can get them cancelled by society. In the process, these words become meaningless.

It's not right or fair. We should be able to have a nuanced conversation without fear of labels or cancellation.

I'm not saying you can't be trans or that it isn't valid - a gender critical activist or TERF would certainly feel differently. But that doesn't mean the trans community is free from criticism. GC/TERF activists make points that should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as haturzz. What kind of holier-than-thou attitude could a person have to think any criticisms put their away are attacks by bigots? It's entitled and narcissistic. The trans community is doing itself a disservice to promote this kind of fingers-in-my-ears-your-a-hater attitude. I can't see that going well for them.

Say what you will about the GC/TERF community, but they're a group of women that's not afraid to call out the legitimate issues with the trans movement.

Transgender is not the same as cisgender, and it never will be. Trans people want to gaslight the world into believing that there is no distinction. They argue that those that make this distinction are bigots - especially when it comes to sexual preference. Female erasure is happening with woke corporations using words like "vagina havers" "bleeders" and "uterus havers." Transwomen demand to be in formerly ciswomen exclusive spaces. I can understand why a woman that takes pride in her gender would be troubled.

The worst part of all is that instead of befriending ciswomen as allies, instead of asking to be in ciswomen spaces, transwomen demand these things and seem to have a disdain for ciswomen for naturally having what they can never have. Transwomen seem to overall be a very unhappy lot about their biological/mental misalignment and want to make that internal pain an external pain for everyone else.

In this age of identity politics, it will honestly take black/POC activists for criticisms to be made towards the trans community. White people have honestly become so cucked that they actively hate themselves. Black people have enough pride in themselves to shut shit down real quick. They demand a level of respect and a cis black woman has a chance at speaking her mind.
 
Say what you will about the GC/TERF community, but they're a group of women that's not afraid to call out the legitimate issues with the trans movement.
Yeah the courage of going against the current alone is somethign to admire.
But holy shit do some of them are dumb.
 
There are some real fools in this TERF/gender critical community who exhibit a mentally unwell level of hatred towards men and trans people. That makes it hard to stand up for them as a community - as some of their members really shoot themselves in the foot with their talk of the evil patriarchy.
I think you possibly misunderstand feminism. It isn't about hatred of men, but (and here is the nuance) if you focus on 2nd wave (and arguably a nascent 4th wave) feminism it has to be looked as a materialist movement which considers the root of the oppression of women, which is on the basis of sex. You may not agree with that assessment, but unlike transgenderism it is internally consistent.

Having said that, any cisgender woman
There's no such thing as cisgender. In fact, there's arguably no such thing as gender. Many/most GC feminists would argue against an internally-felt gender; rather they are women by virtue of birth and biology, their oppression is on that basis, and they don't get to 'opt out'.

that criticizes the trans community nowadays is labeled as a TERF - like JK Rowling. It's the new "bigot" "racist" or "anti-Semite." Simply shut off criticism by throwing a scary label that can get them cancelled by society. In the process, these words become meaningless.
TERF was always a stupid acronym. For a start, it is tautological (rad-fem is by definition by and for women, and thus male-exclusive), but it's an easy slur to use without having to engage with. It is similar to lazy the TERF = right-wing trope; radical feminism is completely antithetical to the right, and in the UK particularly most radfems are strongly of and for the left.

It's not right or fair. We should be able to have a nuanced conversation without fear of labels or cancellation.
This is the internet. Nuance died when TB-L first conceived of html.

I'm not saying you can't be trans or that it isn't valid - a gender critical activist or TERF would certainly feel differently. But that doesn't mean the trans community is free from criticism. GC/TERF activists make points that should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as haturzz. What kind of holier-than-thou attitude could a person have to think any criticisms put their away are attacks by bigots? It's entitled and narcissistic.
The holier-than-thou attitude which has persisted for as long as time: because it is mainly male people making it it should take precedence over the needs and views of women, coupled to the idea that because they're women then should be expected to be caring and kind (tr: roll over and do what the stunning and brave men tell them to).

The trans community is doing itself a disservice to promote this kind of fingers-in-my-ears-your-a-hater attitude. I can't see that going well for them.
To be fair, there are a few trans people (and indeed, some men!) who understand the concept of allyship, mainly among the older, longer established community.

Say what you will about the GC/TERF community, but they're a group of women that's not afraid to call out the legitimate issues with the trans movement.
That isn't the main purpose of the GC and rad-fem movements. In fact, in many cases, defending the principle of sex-based services, is a distraction from what they would prefer to be the focus: understanding and dismantling the patriarchal society in favour of one that is more structurally egalitarian.

Transgender is not the same as cisgender, and it never will be. Trans people want to gaslight the world into believing that there is no distinction. They argue that those that make this distinction are bigots - especially when it comes to sexual preference. Female erasure is happening with woke corporations using words like "vagina havers" "bleeders" and "uterus havers." Transwomen demand to be in formerly ciswomen exclusive spaces. I can understand why a woman that takes pride in her gender would be troubled.
I don't think many, if any, GC or radfem women take pride in their gender or sex. Sex is a material fact which affects how a woman is perceived and treated from the point that it is known.

The worst part of all is that instead of befriending ciswomen as allies, instead of asking to be in ciswomen spaces, transwomen demand these things and seem to have a disdain for ciswomen for naturally having what they can never have. Transwomen seem to overall be a very unhappy lot about their biological/mental misalignment and want to make that internal pain an external pain for everyone else.
The stupidest thing is that Trans-identified males lose out by trying to force women to do their emotional labour, because they're drawn into a long and unwinnable fight with no prize at the end of it. Trans people need medical and social care, advocacy, and facilities that support them as trans people; all co-opting facilities for women and disabled people does is to disguise the problem and reduce provision for everyone except men!
In this age of identity politics, it will honestly take black/POC activists for criticisms to be made towards the trans community. White people have honestly become so cucked that they actively hate themselves. Black people have enough pride in themselves to shut shit down real quick. They demand a level of respect and a cis black woman has a chance at speaking her mind.
It's got fuck-all to do with cucked white people. This is a movement of largely white, heterosexual men that is more than happy to appropriate the resources and experiences of women and minorities to live out their sordid wank fantasies, and the sooner it is recognised as such the better for all of us.
 
I think you possibly misunderstand feminism. It isn't about hatred of men, but (and here is the nuance) if you focus on 2nd wave (and arguably a nascent 4th wave) feminism it has to be looked as a materialist movement which considers the root of the oppression of women, which is on the basis of sex. You may not agree with that assessment, but unlike transgenderism it is internally consistent.


There's no such thing as cisgender. In fact, there's arguably no such thing as gender. Many/most GC feminists would argue against an internally-felt gender; rather they are women by virtue of birth and biology, their oppression is on that basis, and they don't get to 'opt out'.


TERF was always a stupid acronym. For a start, it is tautological (rad-fem is by definition by and for women, and thus male-exclusive), but it's an easy slur to use without having to engage with. It is similar to lazy the TERF = right-wing trope; radical feminism is completely antithetical to the right, and in the UK particularly most radfems are strongly of and for the left.


This is the internet. Nuance died when TB-L first conceived of html.


The holier-than-thou attitude which has persisted for as long as time: because it is mainly male people making it it should take precedence over the needs and views of women, coupled to the idea that because they're women then should be expected to be caring and kind (tr: roll over and do what the stunning and brave men tell them to).


To be fair, there are a few trans people (and indeed, some men!) who understand the concept of allyship, mainly among the older, longer established community.


That isn't the main purpose of the GC and rad-fem movements. In fact, in many cases, defending the principle of sex-based services, is a distraction from what they would prefer to be the focus: understanding and dismantling the patriarchal society in favour of one that is more structurally egalitarian.


I don't think many, if any, GC or radfem women take pride in their gender or sex. Sex is a material fact which affects how a woman is perceived and treated from the point that it is known.


The stupidest thing is that Trans-identified males lose out by trying to force women to do their emotional labour, because they're drawn into a long and unwinnable fight with no prize at the end of it. Trans people need medical and social care, advocacy, and facilities that support them as trans people; all co-opting facilities for women and disabled people does is to disguise the problem and reduce provision for everyone except men!


It's got fuck-all to do with cucked white people. This is a movement of largely white, heterosexual men that is more than happy to appropriate the resources and experiences of women and minorities to live out their sordid wank fantasies, and the sooner it is recognised as such the better for all of us.
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It's got fuck-all to do with cucked white people.
Lol, its got everything to do with cucked whites. Whites make up the majority of the US, UK and Canada. If whites never cucked to feminism and homosexuals, we won't be arguing over children being mutilated.

This is a movement of largely white, heterosexual men
Supported by and are solely successful because of white feminist-identifying women
That is more than happy to appropriate the resources and experiences of women and minorities to live out their sordid wank fantasies,
Well seeing as those two groups are the only ones who receive such resources, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Of course they (the troons) aren't appropriating minorities things, just women's.

and the sooner it is recognised as such the better for all of us.
Frankly how? LGBT is already synonymous with degenerate wank fests. How would recognizing white heteo men being queer gonna benefit your position? It isn't. And of course thats just the white male part. Not the non-white or female part.
 
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