Newsweek Writer Declares POW/MIA Flag Racist

What a giant fucking douchebag. The article reads like Holocaust revisionism.

Basically, the argument seems to be that the government lied about some aspects of the Vietnam War, therefore fuck POWs.

It also mentions Sybil Stockdale. You might remember her husband, James Stockdale, who was Ross Perot's running mate. He was viciously tortured as a POW.

How the fuck is it racist to point that out?

Seriously fuck this guy.
 
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Hat said:
Literally no-one gives a shit about this guy's mental gymnastics. This won't go anywhere.
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The only place it goes to is in the trash where it belongs. It might get a signal boost from any person that thinks he is right but in the end, it's still nothing more than clickbait trash.
 
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Randall Fragg said:
This just proves that anything can be racist if you rationalize hard enough. I personally would love to see this 20 something hipster moron spend a week in the "Hanoi Hilton".
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Are we rating the strength of people's arguments on their ability to stand up to torture? If so, do we think all the people shitting on this guy would thrive in the Hanoi Hilton?

Anyway, isn't the POW/MIA flag associated with the conspiracy theory that there are, or historically were, large numbers of Vietnam-era POWs still being held by the Vietnamese government, and that the US government is conspiring to cover this up? That may not be precisely racist, but it's pretty dumb.
 
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Dudeofteenage said:
Are we rating the strength of people's arguments on their ability to stand up to torture? If so, do we think all the people shitting on this guy would thrive in the Hanoi Hilton?

Anyway, isn't the POW/MIA flag associated with the conspiracy theory that there are, or historically were, large numbers of Vietnam-era POWs still being held by the Vietnamese government, and that the US government is conspiring to cover this up? That may not be precisely racist, but it's pretty dumb.
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I wouldn't overthink this. All this is about is the desperation of white liberal hipsters to get asspats for denouncing everything under the sun as racist.
 
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Dudeofteenage said:
Anyway, isn't the POW/MIA flag associated with the conspiracy theory that there are, or historically were, large numbers of Vietnam-era POWs still being held by the Vietnamese government, and that the US government is conspiring to cover this up? That may not be precisely racist, but it's pretty dumb.
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Guilt by association isn't a great thing. Yes, people who use that flag sometimes have incorrect beliefs about the situation, but it certainly didn't start out that way. When Sybil Stockdale was pushing that flag early on, her husband James was actually a POW. Simply having held on to a vain hope of a loved one still being alive without solid proof otherwise doesn't make someone a racist, and certainly not by the weird, convoluted reasoning in that article.
 
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AnOminous said:
Yes, people who use that flag sometimes have incorrect beliefs about the situation, but it certainly didn't start out that way.
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Maybe not, but remember in that long shitposty thread about the Confederate flag, where we mostly agreed that a symbol's true meaning is best determined by its usage, not its origin? I'd say that goes for the POW/MIA flag, too. Whatever the original designer's intent, it's the conspiracy-esque movement that popularised it and with whom it is most identified. To use a slightly Godwin-y example, burning crosses were originally used by Scottish kings to summon their troops to battle, but I would likely find few defenders if I decided to burn a cross on my lawn to signal my pride in my Scottish heritage.
 
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Dudeofteenage said:
Maybe not, but remember in that long shitposty thread about the Confederate flag, where we mostly agreed that a symbol's true meaning is best determined by its usage, not its origin? I'd say that goes for the POW/MIA flag, too. Whatever the original designer's intent, it's the conspiracy-esque movement that popularised it and with whom it is most identified.
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Actually, as I've mentioned twice in this thread previously, it was popularized at a time there were still actually substantial numbers of POWs in Vietnam, including future Presidential candidates James Stockdale and John McCain. Some of the people still using it are people who have basically flown it since that time. Some are, in a word, whack-a-doodles. I've never seen anyone flying it because they somehow specifically hate Vietnamese people or are racists, though I'm sure some who use it are. The worst I could say about it is that it is currently associated with some people who are conspiracy theorists.

In any event, the article discussed in the OP is bullshit, and offensive bullshit.

If it had been about debunking the conspiracy theory of there still being lots of POWs in Vietnam whose existence has been concealed by both the U.S. and Vietnamese governments for no comprehensible reason, I don't think this thread would exist.
 
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AnOminous said:
Guilt by association isn't a great thing. Yes, people who use that flag sometimes have incorrect beliefs about the situation, but it certainly didn't start out that way. When Sybil Stockdale was pushing that flag early on, her husband James was actually a POW. Simply having held on to a vain hope of a loved one still being alive without solid proof otherwise doesn't make someone a racist, and certainly not by the weird, convoluted reasoning in that article.
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Stockdale beat himself with a chair and stabbed himself in the face so he couldn't be used as a propaganda tool. The man has absolute balls of steel and is personal hero to both @Duke Nukem and @Hulk Hogan
 
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Ruin said:
I wouldn't overthink this. All this is about is the desperation of white liberal hipsters to get asspats for denouncing everything under the sun their country does as racist.
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FTFY

And he'll get exactly what he wants, asspats, attention and the only people who'll bother to email him are the afore-mentioned whackadoodles who fly both the POW flag and the DON'T TREAD ON ME one from their rusty 85' Dodge Ramcharger as they prattle on and on about how the President STILL hasn't explained the "discrepancies" in his birth certificate.... and the author can then spin all that hate as "Ya see how oppressed I am? For speaking the truth?! DOUBLE-BONUS ASSPATS!!!"

This is modern journalism? Hacks like this are a disgrace to literacy.
 
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I just like how you can use words like "bullshit" in your political article and still expect to be taken seriously.
 
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