Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

More drama from the Green Land of Brexitopia.

Word on the street is Just Fur The Weekend have lost their venue. To recap they took bookings for 2020, got nuked by the wuhan flu, then refused to refund. Bookings rolled over to this year ... which was cancelled too. Danza called the hotel, hotel says - actually Holiday Inn refunded them, so they should refund furfags who booked... Upsywupsyfuckywucky. IHG are mighty pissed and Just Fur The Moneyz is looking for a new venue.

ConfuzZled is back in the papers again, their event is this weekend and the Hilton Met has done the same to them. 2019 was their last year on contract and Hilton has declined to renew...!
Gee it's like covering up a nazi on your staff, hiring a transphobic guest and threatening punters might upset your venue relationshjip...

Source: friend on the inside...
 
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I am STILL digging on... well I think everyone knows what thread I'm working on at this point lol

But along the way, I found Ye Olde Drama. I'm just dropping this here for now. I'd really like to come back to this thread when I have a minute but I'm halfway down a rabbit hole at the moment.

These aren't the most tantalizing bits of drama compared to the more recent stuff but I do believe they foreshadow trends so I'm gonna document it here. Mainly found these because of Steeleheart (Growly's ex bf that anally raped a child) whinging about it on Twitter before he passed away from ass cancer.

Some furries at Further Confusion 2015 got upset at Insider Edition doing a fluff piece on the event
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Archive

Statement from FC Chairman
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The actually video. It's not on Inside Edition's site anymore (unless I'm retarded) presumably due to privacy complaints. Thankfully, someone archived it on YouTube


The actual article itself
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Then there's this shit with Oklacon (which I only remember vaguely hearing about)
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Oklacon statement
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Journal linked in the statement
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There is some business with Califur I've stumbled across but those are mostly audio logs. I'll see if I can download and splice them all together when I have a minute. Just on a very long (and painful) archiving journey at the moment.
 
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Realhat said:
AnthrOhio has cancelled for this year because of Covid, and Twitter furries love it.

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If you feel that going to a con is unsafe, you can just decide not to go. You don't have to wait for the con to tell you there's no con. Cheering for a cancellation either means these people seriously are incapable of making their own decisions, or they're cheering for other people being denied the ability to go.

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You're not an attendee if there's no con. Just saying.

In other news, Furrydelphia has decided that in order to prove you're vaccinated you have to bring your original card. A photo on your phone or a photocopy are not acceptable. Because people can fake those, whereas it's impossible to buy medium weight cardstock and just print your fake card on that.

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It's funny because there are people who were legitimately vaccinated who may not have a card, or who may have a nonstandard one, since the standardized cards weren't always available in the early days of vaccine distribution. Not to mention that of course they were never intended to be used as verification, which is why there's no security at all on them. (Sort of like how SSNs also have no security because they were never meant to be used as an identifying number, but that's another topic.)
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Garuntee furrydelphia will backtrack on this once they realise literally everyone is just going to forge their cards and no one will go to their con at all.


Greywolf said:
With all the drama that con deserves its own thread...

Yeah they're on major damage control. Been in touch with some of the People who reported the nazi and the rapist. They have all been handed nondisclosure agreements with demands to sign or be banned. Con's also thrown in a legal threat backed with the GDPR (european privacy law) threatening that they'll take legal action if any emails or PMs are disclosed.

The con staff doing the "investigation" apparently did everything on Telegram and deleted all the messages right after. (telegram lets one party delete all the messages in the convo - both sides - at any time)

Shady as shit. They're shit scared more skeletons will fall out of the closet. (there are plenty)
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Confuzzled from what I have heard is a absolutely sick and degenerate con only most noteworthy for that on member that spread HIV throughout the con because he literally fucked everyone
 
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Furries are the only group of people I can think of who has to specify that they don't condone sexual acts with minors lmao.
How many times does this needs to happen before the community enforces a strict "no babyfurs\diaperfurs\cubs\whatever they call themselves now\pedophiles" policy globally?

Who am I kidding, it's never ever going to happen.
 
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Not just another poster said:
Furries are the only group of people I can think of who has to specify that they don't condone sexual acts with minors lmao.
How many times does this needs to happen before the community enforces a strict "no babyfurs\diaperfurs\cubs\whatever they call themselves now\pedophiles" policy globally?

Who am I kidding, it's never ever going to happen.
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Seriously. The only reply from a sane society/fandom would be a complete ban on that stuff already, and any time someone is caught out it would be just a quick "X is a sick freak and is banned forever." Needing to put out a long letter about how you don't like NSFW art and blah blah blah is just beating around the bush that there are tons more of these people and the only thing they're doing is telling them not to get caught.
 
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Wheezy Asthmatic said:
I am STILL digging on... well I think everyone knows what thread I'm working on at this point lol

But along the way, I found Ye Olde Drama. I'm just dropping this here for now. I'd really like to come back to this thread when I have a minute but I'm halfway down a rabbit hole at the moment.

These aren't the most tantalizing bits of drama compared to the more recent stuff but I do believe they foreshadow trends so I'm gonna document it here. Mainly found these because of Steeleheart (Growly's ex bf that anally raped a child) whinging about it on Twitter before he passed away from ass cancer.

Some furries at Further Confusion 2015 got upset at Insider Edition doing a fluff piece on the event
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Archive

Statement from FC Chairman
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The actually video. It's not on Inside Edition's site anymore (unless I'm retarded) presumably due to privacy complaints. Thankfully, someone archived it on YouTube
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The actual article itself
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Then there's this shit with Oklacon (which I only remember vaguely hearing about)
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Oklacon statement
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Journal linked in the statement
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There is some business with Califur I've stumbled across but those are mostly audio logs. I'll see if I can download and splice them all together when I have a minute. Just on a very long (and painful) archiving journey at the moment.
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Some more business.

The end of ConFurence in southern California was its own saga. Further Confusion in northern California started in 1999 and filled a void between Socal and east coast Anthrocon drama, but FurCon wasn't destined to stay all clean.

2001: the Growly and Steeleheart child rape happened in a SoCal hotel. In this screen, Steele's husband Shadow talks to groomer/zoophile Quentin. (Pics of Quentin's zeta tattoo and fucking Growly). These 3 were older guard FurCon scenesters, maybe sponsors.
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2011 had a story that's hard to prove so consider it circumstantial. Fur Con business director Findra, 1990's old guard furry aged 44, killed himself. Can't say if his 90's usenet kink activity and dolphin training background overlapped with a dolphin sex ring member who ended up in the FurCon scene. But the suicide was from imminent crime charges. Bet CP.

2015: the Sasho Windfeather episode. Sasho was named director of FurCon. Backlash erupted because he'd been reported to police for domestic abuse of a young houseguest. Sasho quickly resigned "due to circumstances", Wikifur says without elaborating. Circumstances were grooming at risk teens, offering them housing then treating them like BDSM slaves. The one report didn't proceed to charges but there was worse kept quiet, like drugs for control fetish.

The FurCon scene has buried skeletons that may go deeper than almost any furry scene, because of being intertwined with original cons and Silicon Valley history.
 
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2015: the Sasho Windfeather episode. Sasho was named director of FurCon. Backlash erupted because he'd been reported to police for domestic abuse of a young houseguest. Sasho quickly resigned "due to circumstances", Wikifur says without elaborating. Circumstances were grooming at risk teens, offering them housing then treating them like BDSM slaves. The one report didn't proceed to charges but there was worse kept quiet, like drugs for control fetish.
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This incident also spurred the creation of Pacific Anthropomorphics Weekend, or "PAWcon"

And "domestic abuse" was literally punching and biting of said houseguest.

clownfuck said:
The FurCon scene has buried skeletons that may go deeper than almost any furry scene, because of being intertwined with original cons and Silicon Valley history.
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I can almost guarantee it, especially with the "old guard" trooning out, retiring, or just plain killing themselves out of shame.
 
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Sneed's Feed And Seed said:
This incident also spurred the creation of Pacific Anthropomorphics Weekend, or "PAWcon"

And "domestic abuse" was literally punching and biting of said houseguest.


I can almost guarantee it, especially with the "old guard" trooning out, retiring, or just plain killing themselves out of shame.
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Pacific Anthropomorphics Weekend/ "PAWcon" has some Kiwifarms hits.

- Growly was staff and in photo with another pedo
- Hosted Sangie as dealer, pedo in the zoosadist thing
- The chair Laveur is a zoophile who follows cub porn
- Tane the zoosadist named it as his local con
- Laveur was landlord of Tane's friends who covered him up

You have to wonder why they made another con to keep doing the same pedo stuff.
 
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Some more business.

The end of ConFurence in southern California was its own saga. Further Confusion in northern California started in 1999 and filled a void between Socal and east coast Anthrocon drama, but FurCon wasn't destined to stay all clean.

2001: the Growly and Steeleheart child rape happened in a SoCal hotel. In this screen, Steele's husband Shadow talks to groomer/zoophile Quentin. (Pics of Quentin's zeta tattoo and fucking Growly). These 3 were older guard FurCon scenesters, maybe sponsors.
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2011 had a story that's hard to prove so consider it circumstantial. Fur Con business director Findra, 1990's old guard furry aged 44, killed himself. Can't say if his 90's usenet kink activity and dolphin training background overlapped with a dolphin sex ring member who ended up in the FurCon scene. But the suicide was from imminent crime charges. Bet CP.

2015: the Sasho Windfeather episode. Sasho was named director of FurCon. Backlash erupted because he'd been reported to police for domestic abuse of a young houseguest. Sasho quickly resigned "due to circumstances", Wikifur says without elaborating. Circumstances were grooming at risk teens, offering them housing then treating them like BDSM slaves. The one report didn't proceed to charges but there was worse kept quiet, like drugs for control fetish.

The FurCon scene has buried skeletons that may go deeper than almost any furry scene, because of being intertwined with original cons and Silicon Valley history.
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You know, I never thought about that with regards to Findra, but it kind of makes sense. The shock in the bay area was massive. And Fluffy made sure it was never spoken of again.

FC's weirder than most cons because of its deliberate rotating chair/board arrangements, which was designed to get away from the cults of personality that Confurance and AC were at the time. I'd expect pockets of ick but not much in the way of 'rotten to the core' conspiracy just because it's a con that's intentionally never had a consistent direction.
 
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You know, I never thought about that with regards to Findra, but it kind of makes sense. The shock in the bay area was massive. And Fluffy made sure it was never spoken of again.

FC's weirder than most cons because of its deliberate rotating chair/board arrangements, which was designed to get away from the cults of personality that Confurance and AC were at the time. I'd expect pockets of ick but not much in the way of 'rotten to the core' conspiracy just because it's a con that's intentionally never had a consistent direction.
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Very interesting and reasonable, just don't forget the overlap with zoos and zoo parties. Can you elaborate about what was massive and who was involved?
 
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Wheezy Asthmatic said:
Then there's this shit with Oklacon (which I only remember vaguely hearing about)
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It is my understanding that:

Oklacon was cancelled because a small group of dogfuckers were meeting up at the con for the purpose of dogfucking. (I have only heard from others on this matter, I have no confirmation.)

Wheezy Asthmatic said:
There is some business with Califur I've stumbled across but those are mostly audio logs. I'll see if I can download and splice them all together when I have a minute. Just on a very long (and painful) archiving journey at the moment.
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Here's the phone call that allegedly resulted in the cancellation of Califur: Clearweb / Tor

The call probably only played a small role, as Califur was already circling the toilet bowl at the time.
 
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Very interesting and reasonable, just don't forget the overlap with zoos and zoo parties. Can you elaborate about what was massive and who was involved?
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It was mostly 'normal' shock at a healthy relatively young person dying, one who was seen as one of the happier people around.

Around the same time the same community reacted to Starblade getting stabbed to death with 'yeah that guy, that was going to happen'.
 
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No visible drama around this, but now Furrydelphia won't let you in if you've laminated your vaccination card, because they need to examine the paper closely so they can report people to the FBI. They can totally tell who is vaccinated by looking at pen indentations on the card--they have qualified experts checking this I'm sure, and not just unpaid volunteers armed with a sense of self-righteous overconfidence.

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(There is no such thing as a qualified expert on this; the cards have no security at all and were never designed to be used as proof of vaccination. And if you're a health care worker who was vaccinated early and doesn't have the standardized card, screw you, you're getting reported to the FBI.)


In general, I'm interested to see how this all pans out. The vaccination rate among the general population is under 30% (edit: see correction below) and significantly lower for black and hispanic Americans. (Whites-only con season, woo.) I imagine furries have a higher rate overall; will it be high enough to fill up the cons? The only one happening in the US prior to Furrydelphia (mid-August) is PortConMaine at the end of June--though they're doing some sort of weird hybrid online-offline thing which doesn't sound much like a normal con. So essentially Furrydelphia is the first US con post-Covid.

TLDR: Another two months until this thread can truly live again.

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Edit: CDC reports overall fully-vaccinated rate of 42.5%, as pointed out by another poster below. I said 30% initially based on looking only at the reported race data. Turns out they only have race data for 2/3 of vaccinations, and for some reason didn't normalize for this when reporting race demographic percentages.
 
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the US borders will likely open to other countries with high vaccination rates soon. they don't have a plan for foreigners who obviously won't have a CDC card, do they?
 
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No visible drama around this, but now Furrydelphia won't let you in if you've laminated your vaccination card, because they need to examine the paper closely so they can report people to the FBI. They can totally tell who is vaccinated by looking at pen indentations on the card--they have qualified experts checking this I'm sure, and not just unpaid volunteers armed with a sense of self-righteous overconfidence.

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(There is no such thing as a qualified expert on this; the cards have no security at all and were never designed to be used as proof of vaccination. And if you're a health care worker who was vaccinated early and doesn't have the standardized card, screw you, you're getting reported to the FBI.)


In general, I'm interested to see how this all pans out. The vaccination rate among the general population is under 30% and significantly lower for black and hispanic Americans. (Whites-only con season, woo.) I imagine furries have a higher rate overall; will it be high enough to fill up the cons? The only one happening in the US prior to Furrydelphia (mid-August) is PortConMaine at the end of June--though they're doing some sort of weird hybrid online-offline thing which doesn't sound much like a normal con. So essentially Furrydelphia is the first US con post-Covid.

TLDR: Another two months until this thread can truly live again.

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My vaccine place didn't even write on our cards, they had little label/sticker printers and stuck those on our cards instead.
 
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