Plagued Consoomers / Consoomer Culture - Because if it has a recogniseable brand on it, I’d buy it!

Expensive food is literallt the biggest waste. What youre really paying for is the knowledge that comes with the food. If you know local butchers/markets and can cook restaurants are such a waste.

Alfredo sauce costs like 3 dollars to make but throw some of that on some pasta and a 6 oz chicken cutlet and you've got a 25$ dish
You're also paying for the time. Like why should I spend hours preparing, cooking, and checking on some complex dish and then spend the time cleaning up the dishes and having them take up space drying off when some cooks at a restaurant will do everything for me? Especially if you're cooking something with a strong smell which smells up the house for a day afterwards?
 
TikTok has gifted me with the knowledge that the type of people who are hyped about these sorts of places are the kinds of people I thought they were.
To wealthy Kiwis: I probably don't even own clothes nice enough to get in the door, but what are real nice restaurants like? Like, places the rich-rich go to.
I am not rich-rich but I have been to many fine dining places and as a rule they don't have a gimmick like these ones, or anything resembling it, because the idea of 'having taste' is that it is all understated and plain. A lot of them have a limited or set menu because you are supposed to trust the chef to give you the best, and because it's limited to what good fresh produce they could get that day, so it will change constantly. Often there are no prices listed. More laid back than you might expect, because class pretensions exist for people trying to get into a social class, not for those already there. You will probably find more snootiness in one of these tacky branded restaurants than you would in a place for the genuinely well off. I have personally never come across the 'snooty rude waiter' stereotype, even in French cuisine. Maybe it existed in the past, I don't know.

There is a lot of variety in these places though. For example, you will have the places that are more for businesses lunches, and the ones that are more for socializing. And some places can get away with a gimmick if it is muted or original enough.
 
Expensive food is literallt the biggest waste. What youre really paying for is the knowledge that comes with the food. If you know local butchers/markets and can cook restaurants are such a waste.

Alfredo sauce costs like 3 dollars to make but throw some of that on some pasta and a 6 oz chicken cutlet and you've got a 25$ dish
If people are busy and believe their time is valuable, they choose to outsource their labor to somebody else, rather than traveling to a market or butcher, buying food, coming home, finding a recipe, spending hours cooking the three or so dishes you will get at a restaurant, and cleaning up. Same reason people pay for cleaners, assistants, gardeners, accountants, hairdressers, et cetera.
 
If people are busy and believe their time is valuable, they choose to outsource their labor to somebody else, rather than traveling to a market or butcher, buying food, coming home, finding a recipe, spending hours cooking the three or so dishes you will get at a restaurant, and cleaning up. Same reason people pay for cleaners, assistants, gardeners, accountants, hairdressers, et cetera.
I would legit never cook anything or go to the market to get groceries if i could afford it, i find it tedious and it takes time from my day but i agree for most people is retarded since most of us are not nearly as wealthy to be spending several times over a normal food budget and not have it make a dent in their finances.

300$ plates does seem retarded, i've hardly ever noticed any real difference between a decently priced restaurant and a flamboyantly overpriced one, the few times i've been to fancy places on invites the food was hardly memorable, the overprice on everything is more of a clientele filter, For example a 200$ whisky bottle doesn't taste better than the literal exact same whisky bottle sold for 50$ somewhere else,.
 
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To wealthy Kiwis: I probably don't even own clothes nice enough to get in the door, but what are real nice restaurants like? Like, places the rich-rich go to.
I can't fathom why they let in this horrendous crackwhore. The restaurant looks interesting, but this is exactly why I hate the brand. It attracts crack and other types of whores. I've seen pics from a hotel by Lous Vuitton, but it is so bland. It is literally the definition of minimalist Scandinavian style. Which I hate, but then again. I don't mind the look of Trump's penthouse. Aside from the beige, which is an overall awful colour.

I'm not rich by any means, but not poor either. Because I don't use money on this kind of shit. Because why pay for the experience, when you can get a just as good or better experience at home?
the overprice on everything is more of a clientele filter
They still attract poors.

On the topic of designer restaurants, this one is actually a bit sad. It's just Gianni Versace's residency in Miami turned into a hotel/restaurant. I'm disappointed that they don't use Versace branded dishes, glasses and cutlery, the one pic with it is probably only for the pic. They do have themed hotels in Dubai, Australia and Italy too
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I am not rich-rich but I have been to many fine dining places and as a rule they don't have a gimmick like these ones, or anything resembling it, because the idea of 'having taste' is that it is all understated and plain. A lot of them have a limited or set menu because you are supposed to trust the chef to give you the best, and because it's limited to what good fresh produce they could get that day, so it will change constantly. Often there are no prices listed. More laid back than you might expect, because class pretensions exist for people trying to get into a social class, not for those already there. You will probably find more snootiness in one of these tacky branded restaurants than you would in a place for the genuinely well off. I have personally never come across the 'snooty rude waiter' stereotype, even in French cuisine. Maybe it existed in the past, I don't know.

There is a lot of variety in these places though. For example, you will have the places that are more for businesses lunches, and the ones that are more for socializing. And some places can get away with a gimmick if it is muted or original enough.
Same, the best places don't give you a big menu with a lot of options but like 3 different multi course meals that you can pick from, and they don't really want you to make changes, unless it's some random expensive add on they casually suggest. But some places let you pick stuff too. They are always nice, and the dress code is more just don't be a slob than anything.

Fake fancy places put more emphasis on providing a "show" for people, with flamboyant dishes or some kind of gimmick. The gimmick is more important than the food. And food at places like those branded cafes is more what they think people think fancy food is, and it's ultimately just pretty average food that an average person wouldn't turn their nose up at, like steak and potatoes or that tortellini. Disney restaurants suffer from this, no matter what the theme or price point they all seem to have generic stuff with slight variations. They also let you change anything and bastardize the dish because you decided last week you're gluten free and allergic to pomegranate and coriander. Good places might give you some thing the chef came up with that you've never seen or thought of, that may have unusual ingredients. Also less emphasis on dessert at real places. Fake fancy places have a lot more and bigger, more elaborate desserts because people are fat and want to post them on Instagram. At real places it feels a little awkward to take a photo.
 
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A lot of them have a limited or set menu because you are supposed to trust the chef to give you the best, and because it's limited to what good fresh produce they could get that day, so it will change constantly.
There's a fishmonger I like that doesn't change their menu, but they do get the fresh stuff and have a limited menu. Sounds a bit similar.
And some places can get away with a gimmick if it is muted or original enough.
Like what? Something like acknowledging the location of the restaurant?
I can't fathom why they let in this horrendous crackwhore.
Because the horrendous crackwhore has just enough money to get in and that's what they want. Can't have the other crackwhores thinking they aren't welcome to spend their own money at the joint.
They are always nice, and the dress code is more just don't be a slob than anything.
You guys are making me realize I HAVE been to some rich people restaurants, but because they weren't "fancy" I'd just put them in the "expensive but cool" category.
 
You're also paying for the time. Like why should I spend hours preparing, cooking, and checking on some complex dish and then spend the time cleaning up the dishes and having them take up space drying off when some cooks at a restaurant will do everything for me? Especially if you're cooking something with a strong smell which smells up the house for a day afterwards?
If people are busy and believe their time is valuable, they choose to outsource their labor to somebody else, rather than traveling to a market or butcher, buying food, coming home, finding a recipe, spending hours cooking the three or so dishes you will get at a restaurant, and cleaning up. Same reason people pay for cleaners, assistants, gardeners, accountants, hairdressers, et cetera.
I see this but I also enjoy cooking which apparently not everyone does. For me it takes on the form of self expression and once you know the basics of herb combos/meat temping/basic pasta rolling it is just second nature and you can just make your own recipes with little beforehand knowledge. Like going to grocery store and building a dish based on ingredients is very fun to me. 'cleaning' takes less than 5 minutes unless you let pots/pans sit in their rot.

Now this is something I do not get even as a life long 'gamer':

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But then I remember this is who usually thinks that way...Failed Males.

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There's a fishmonger I like that doesn't change their menu, but they do get the fresh stuff and have a limited menu. Sounds a bit similar.

Like what? Something like acknowledging the location of the restaurant?
A place I used to have lunch at a lot had a Victoriana theme going on, and if it's ethnic cuisine it might have artwork or pictures related to that (a Serbian place I go to that attracts the business-lunch crowd has a lot of photos on the wall of the family back in their old country, I suppose to emphasize how connected they are and how genuine the food is). It depends.

What I'm trying to get across is not that all "rich" restaurants have to have four plain white walls and no personality whatsoever, it's more that anything like a branded restaurant would be considered extremely tacky, because the focus should be on quality food and the food-related experience, rather than having a brand attached to it.

Now that I think of it (I swear I have never given as much thought to restaurants before this thread), a big reason behind these differences is probably that a non-rich person wants a unique experience that they can brag about to their friends, because going to a 'fancy' restaurant is an unusual experience for them. So they will choose an easily identifiable marker of 'fanciness' like a recognizable brand. Because of that, a restaurant aimed at that type of person is going to provide what they want: a themed environment that they can remember and take pictures of to show their friends, and (probably) mediocre food.

For someone who is rich or close to it, going to a nice restaurant is not something they are going to brag to their friends about because it's part of their daily life (although they might recommend a place to their friends based on the food). So a successful restaurant is going to provide what they want (good food, a delicious unique dish they haven't tried before, good but unobtrusive service, et cetera) and not worry so much about all the other things.
 
Gucci Restaurant
Tiffany & Co. restaurant
Cafe Dior
Louis Vuitton Cafe
Disney "fine dining" establishments
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I thought I could find at least one Club 33 from inside video, but nope. Guess you get kicked out if you film inside. Either way, it doesn't look that great from the videos they do show...
TikTok has gifted me with the knowledge that the type of people who are hyped about these sorts of places are the kinds of people I thought they were.
To wealthy Kiwis: I probably don't even own clothes nice enough to get in the door, but what are real nice restaurants like? Like, places the rich-rich go to.
Can I reasonably assume that these brands have gone downmarket over the past few years?
The LV restaurant didn't look too bad. Any of these could have been done in a classy way as a simple lunch/coffee spot, like a lot of nice department stores in NYC have.
 
The last couple pages of this makes me think we need a dedicated foodie thread, there is alot of cowish behavior out of those types, alot of it having to do with their eternal quest for 'authenticity'. My personal favorite is when I've had foodies tell me they like some expensive Mexican place for that reason - do they have any idea what authentic Mexican food, you know, the type actually served in Mexico - is like?
 
Disney restaurants suffer from this, no matter what the theme or price point they all seem to have generic stuff with slight variations.
Disney World has Victoria & Albert's though.

Ultimately all this shit is about social mores rather than food quality. When colleagues are visiting from out of state I take them to V&A because of course I've already made reservations well in advance. I'd rather go eat at the hole-in-the-wall place that serves authentic Cantonese food but whatever.

Any restaurant branded after fashion or a celebrity chef is tacky as fuck though, so you know immediately that their audience are people whose usual fine dining is the Golden Corral.
 
The last couple pages of this makes me think we need a dedicated foodie thread, there is alot of cowish behavior out of those types, alot of it having to do with their eternal quest for 'authenticity'. My personal favorite is when I've had foodies tell me they like some expensive Mexican place for that reason - do they have any idea what authentic Mexican food, you know, the type actually served in Mexico - is like?
Foodie behavior isn't exactly the same as consoomer behavior, but it has a lot of similarities; for example, both groups tend to base their identities on what they consoom. Here are a couple of good articles on the topic that came to mind.

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/delusion-at-the-gastropub-havrilesky (Archive)

Why not, in short, transform the rather self-indulgent habit of spending more than $200 on a single meal into an intellectual and cultural badge of honor—a chance to loudly matter in public as you remark on the bright or redolent or flavorful undertones of whatever anxiously plated concoction you’ve just overpaid to savor? The bourgeoisie will always find creative new ways to paint even their most decadent indulgences as highly enlightened, discriminating, and honorable—if not downright heroic. And those who provide such indulgences (and who are, in turn, rewarded handsomely for them) are more than happy to collude in this fantasy.

Of course, the fantasy itself grows more baroque and involuted as the foodie cult nets an ever-greater number of well-heeled recruits. In spite of the self-congratulatory earthiness that foodie culture tends to favor (“I just really love food,” earnest foodies will confess, never bothering to notice that most of humankind shares their passion), its overwrought quasi-religiosity picks up right where the rise of designer bottled water left off—i.e., with the world-conquering condescension of the enormously cultivated consumer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/03/the-moral-crusade-against-foodies/308370/ (Archive)

It has always been crucial to the gourmet’s pleasure that he eat in ways the mainstream cannot afford. For hundreds of years this meant consuming enormous quantities of meat. That of animals that had been whipped to death was more highly valued for centuries, in the belief that pain and trauma enhanced taste. “A true gastronome,” according to a British dining manual of the time, “is as insensible to suffering as is a conqueror.” But for the past several decades, factory farms have made meat ever cheaper and—as the excellent book The CAFO [Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations] Reader makes clear—the pain and trauma are thrown in for free. The contemporary gourmet reacts by voicing an ever-stronger preference for free-range meats from small local farms. He even claims to believe that well-treated animals taste better, though his heart isn’t really in it. [Vogue’s restaurant critic, Jeffrey] Steingarten tells of watching four people hold down a struggling, groaning pig for a full 20 minutes as it bled to death for his dinner. He calls the animal “a filthy beast deserving its fate.”
 
I agree the foodie isn't so much obsessed with brand loyalty that's why I think it probably deserves its own thread.
In general, they seem to equate expensive with good, even when it can be proven that the ingredients of a given food are the same as or worse than a cheaper version.

I have to admit that on the right I see a lot of excusing of foodie behavior ... some of them see it as an improvement over people who live off of a fast food diet. But I see it as just another form of decadence, specifically an affectation of certain upper middle class types.
 
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I used to travel a lot for work, and another insufferable type of consoomer are the people who travel for work and identify themselves by their favorite hotel chain, airline and credit card.

Yes, you’re not technically consuming because the company is paying for it but it is the most boring and banal conversation to ever have with someone. If you’re in an airport bar on a Thursday night you’ll hear all about how last years AA’s executive platinum gift wasn’t as good as this years but at least Marriotts challenge gets you more points. But they haven’t been as great since the Sheraton merger which is why I use my Hilton AmEx too.
 
One great way to get out of consooming is getting married and having kids. I know this doesn’t work for everyone, but it definitely worked for me.

I don’t buy anything that isn’t food, gasoline or clothes for everyone in this house bedsides me.

I’ve worn the same few pair of jeans for….6 years now. My wife did get me a couple of new pairs last year, God bless her.
 
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