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Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
Give the women of the 50s some credit. They at least looked nice and actually embraced their femininity. Kevin and others like him merely present a bastardized and perverted version of femininity and womanhood.
Hey, at least 50's housewives could cook for themselves and clean. troons believe in the sexist values of the time but yet live in filth and can only make hot pockets and instant ramen
 
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

Hey, at least 50's housewives could cook for themselves and clean. troons believe in the sexist values of the time but yet live in filth and can only make hot pockets and instant ramen
I wouldn't even call them a shadow of those times or the people involved. It's more like a poorly-made shadow puppet of the real thing. It may bear a resemblance, but it has none of the substance.
 
Couple pages late but - "Bisexual lesbian" makes no sense. Lesbians are women that are only attracted to women. Bisexuals are women or men who are attracted to both women and men.

Two bisexual women dating each other are two bisexual women dating each other. They don't stop being bisexual just because they are not literally taking cock at that exact moment. It's the same reason why straight people don't stop being straight when they're single.

Sexual orientation is not who you are currently banging, it's about who you'd be interested in banging, either the same sex, (straight) opposite sex (homosexual) or both (bisexual). There are only two sexes and gender is fashion choices and cosmetic surgery. With two sexes (1,2) there are 4 possible configurations, ie straight(1), gay(2), bisexual(both 1 and 2), and then I guess you can throw in asexual (neither 1 nor 2), though I'm not fully convinced yet that that is a natural thing that happens vs. just being a result of trauma or even just being vanilla and not into the degenerate shit society is being groomed to accept.

Nobody has "trans women" in their sexual orientation because absolutely nobody wants to go near anywhere an amhole but if we have to put them somewhere they're firmly in the male category, just like a guy who got his dick blown off in the war is still male.

All this gender/sexuality stuff is like that exploding brain meme where they make things increasingly complicated but once you sift through the bullshit you end up where you started. It literally is that simple.

Speaking of memes, anyone is free to use any meme they want at literally any time. The soy "muh 4chan neo not sees" argument is so dumb because it's giving a blank check to internet shitlords to decide which memes you are "allowed" to post -- if anyone wants hypersensitive SJWs to stop using a particular meme, all you have to do is repost the meme on 4chan with "die niggers" written on top of it and BAM, now it's an alt right hate speech dog whistle.
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Couple pages late but - "Bisexual lesbian" makes no sense. Lesbians are women that are only attracted to women. Bisexuals are women or men who are attracted to both women and men.

Two bisexual women dating each other are two bisexual women dating each other. They don't stop being bisexual just because they are not literally taking cock at that exact moment. It's the same reason why straight people don't stop being straight when they're single.

Sexual orientation is not who you are currently banging, it's about who you'd be interested in banging, either the same sex, (straight) opposite sex (homosexual) or both (bisexual). There are only two sexes and gender is fashion choices and cosmetic surgery. With two sexes (1,2) there are 4 possible configurations, ie straight(1), gay(2), bisexual(both 1 and 2), and then I guess you can throw in asexual (neither 1 nor 2), though I'm not fully convinced yet that that is a natural thing that happens vs. just being a result of trauma or even just being vanilla and not into the degenerate shit society is being groomed to accept.
Calling yourself a "bisexual lesbian" is unironically biphobic by their own standards, since people tend to discount bisexuality depending on what relationship someone is in. You're not a bisexual straight, you're just ... married. And they know that would sound stupid to say, but they have no problem adding lesbian to it and all else.

They should stop using "lesbian" as an adjective, that's where this broken logic spills in.
 
"Bisexual lesbian" makes sense because a woman is judged by her relationship to be either straight or lesbian, and the other part of her sexuality is incidental to that, so she'd be for example a bisexual woman in a lesbian relationship.
Na, not really...your sexuality is your sexuality regardless of what relationship you happen to be in

A bisexual woman in a relationship with another woman (whether that woman be bi or lesbian) would be in a same-sex relationship...unless she is solely into women, there is nothing 'lesbian' about her

If a bi guy marries a woman, he hasn't become 'straight', he's still bi - the relationship has no relevance to the core sexual identity of someone, which is why Wedge's nonsense makes people so mad
 
Kevin and Mode_View admiring some sexy orcgirl baps. also lol @ bonhonzangolas. I've heard a lot of different slang words for tits, but that's a new one
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Lusting after some weird furry porn. No idea how anyone could be aroused by this, but that's our Kev.
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I'm going to be contrarian and say that there are some definitional problems in gay, straight, lesbian, and bi that have plagued these labels for decades.

Is being gay who you are or is being gay what you do? Or some combination of both? Or something else entirely?

For example, HIV/AIDS workers and researchers have struggled for a while with the fact that a lot of men (particularly Latinos and blacks) don't identify as gay and would be OUTRAGED if you suggested they were gay, but they still fuck other dudes. In some cultures, you're only gay if you're the bottom. Some straight boys fool around with other boys in school but it's more through horniness or experimentation than preference. Some man whores might identify as straight but fuck men for pay. Some men might be married to and have monogamous sex with a woman for decades but still be gay. There are tons of virginal, celibate gay priests. There are boys who are too young to experience sexual attraction but who are still unquestionably going to grow up to identify as gay.

Most (but not all!) of these point to gayness being an identity more than a behavior. However, a few years ago a chick who was claiming to be bi became president of a school gay club but then it emerged that she had only ever dated men, and I agree with the people who thought that she should resign because she didn't have the lived experience of a gay person.

None of this is put forth to validate any of Wedge's pomo tossed word salad, my sperg humour is flowing strong tonight and I needed to tap it.
 
Honestly, in the end who but these perpetually online idiots who focus on labelling every microscopic part of their lives cares about what specific sexuality you are past whether you'd be up to dating them or not?

Say, if I'm dating a man, why is it anyone's business that I also find women attractive? If you're with a woman currently who cares that your ex was a man?
 
Whoo, much deepness from Kevin today! Is he trying to blow his cover as a simple slut?

Nah. At the end of the day, he still eats stuff he scrapes out of his pants.

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I'm going to be contrarian and say that there are some definitional problems […]
Gay and lesbian mean male homosexual and female homosexual, respectively.

Gay men are gay men regardless of their actual romantic situation. A gay man is still gay even if he never acts on his desires because he thinks it’s a sin to do so. A gay man is still gay even if he doesn’t admit that fact to researchers due to stigma. A gay man is still gay even if his parents set him up with an arranged marriage to a woman and he resigns himself to playing the part of loving husband and father.

This really isn’t that hard. Would you say that an incel (the typical whining about Chads and Stacys type) is not straight simply because his life circumstances are such that he doesn’t get to engage in straight sex? One doesn’t need to articulate their orientation for it to be real. There are non verbal people with mental illnesses that still display attraction to the opposite sex, they are straight even if they can’t verbalize that.

The only exception I see on your list is the gay for pay men, and that gets into the whole “is prostitution work or paid rape” can of worms.

I suppose you could argue that “gay” is more of a subculture/aesthetic than a neutral description of sexual orientation, but that’s not much better than troons arguing that “woman” is a vague feminine essence. In both scenarios you’re taking a word that has already been very well understood by society to define a class of people and now broadening the definition of that word until the point where it has no meaning.
 
I'm going to be contrarian and say that there are some definitional problems in gay, straight, lesbian, and bi that have plagued these labels for decades.

Is being gay who you are or is being gay what you do? Or some combination of both? Or something else entirely?

For example, HIV/AIDS workers and researchers have struggled for a while with the fact that a lot of men (particularly Latinos and blacks) don't identify as gay and would be OUTRAGED if you suggested they were gay, but they still fuck other dudes. In some cultures, you're only gay if you're the bottom. Some straight boys fool around with other boys in school but it's more through horniness or experimentation than preference. Some man whores might identify as straight but fuck men for pay. Some men might be married to and have monogamous sex with a woman for decades but still be gay. There are tons of virginal, celibate gay priests. There are boys who are too young to experience sexual attraction but who are still unquestionably going to grow up to identify as gay.

Most (but not all!) of these point to gayness being an identity more than a behavior. However, a few years ago a chick who was claiming to be bi became president of a school gay club but then it emerged that she had only ever dated men, and I agree with the people who thought that she should resign because she didn't have the lived experience of a gay person.

None of this is put forth to validate any of Wedge's pomo tossed word salad, my sperg humour is flowing strong tonight and I needed to tap it.
Gay and lesbian mean male homosexual and female homosexual, respectively.

Gay men are gay men regardless of their actual romantic situation. A gay man is still gay even if he never acts on his desires because he thinks it’s a sin to do so. A gay man is still gay even if he doesn’t admit that fact to researchers due to stigma. A gay man is still gay even if his parents set him up with an arranged marriage to a woman and he resigns himself to playing the part of loving husband and father.

This really isn’t that hard. Would you say that an incel (the typical whining about Chads and Stacys type) is not straight simply because his life circumstances are such that he doesn’t get to engage in straight sex? One doesn’t need to articulate their orientation for it to be real. There are non verbal people with mental illnesses that still display attraction to the opposite sex, they are straight even if they can’t verbalize that.

The only exception I see on your list is the gay for pay men, and that gets into the whole “is prostitution work or paid rape” can of worms.

I suppose you could argue that “gay” is more of a subculture/aesthetic than a neutral description of sexual orientation, but that’s not much better than troons arguing that “woman” is a vague feminine essence. In both scenarios you’re taking a word that has already been very well understood by society to define a class of people and now broadening the definition of that word until the point where it has no meaning.
I agree with both of you, and I don't think you're actually disagreeing with one another really. There are definitional issues with the meanings of "gay"/"lesbian"/"bisexual". Not because the literal definitions are difficult to comprehend, but because they are difficult to objectively verify and therefore to apply consistently when you're an outside observer (i.e. if you're looking at someone else and trying to label their sexuality). Sexual orientation labels are inherently labels of behavioural motivation, rather than of a behaviour (or physical feature) itself, which makes them kind of slippery to apply to others.

Sex, race, some forms of disability etc. can all be relatively easily observed by another person, and therefore (with a brushing aside of issues of e.g. intersex and mixed-race people, how we define race, etc.) they're relatively uncomplicated to ascertain. If someone says "I'm male", I can look at them and say "no you're not, you've got a vagina". Similarly, for other types of disability or mental illness, if someone says "I have ADHD" I can check their behaviour against the behavioural diagnostic criteria for ADHD and make a (reasonably) objective decision about whether they're lying or not.

If a man says "I'm straight", I cannot look at them (or their behaviour) and say "no you're not, you have sex with men", because the definition of being a straight man is not 'never having sex with men' it's 'never being attracted to men' (which is an internal state of being, and therefore inaccessible to an observer). And whilst someone's behaviour (and self-reported internal state) can be a decent proxy for their "true" internal state, it's not the same thing.

A man who has sex with men may say "I'm straight", and be telling the truth; he's only having the sex because no one else is available, and he's imagining the other man is a woman the whole time, and is genuinely unattracted to his partner but 'making do' because he's horny. A man in an identical situation with identical behaviour may say "I'm straight" and be lying; he is attracted to his parter, but is in denial about it because internalised homophobia or whatever. How do I, an outside observer with no access to his internal state, say which is the case? Do I call this man gay, despite his self-reported sexual orientation, or do I call him straight, despite his observable same-sex sexual behaviours? (There's a reason sociologists often use the term "men who have sex with men"/"MSM", especially when discussing e.g. STD risks which are linked to sexual behaviour, not sexual orientation. No one in an academic environment wants to try making this call lmao.) Similarly, a woman who has never dated another woman and is in a happy opposite-sex marriage might say "I'm bisexual" and have it be true because she is attracted to both men and women; a woman in the same situation might say "I'm bisexual" and have it be false, because she isn't actually attracted to women and just wants to look trendy to her Bay Area friends; a woman in the same situation might say "I'm straight", and be lying, because she is attracted to women but in denial about it. Again, how the fuck do I know?

In all of these cases, I as an external observer likely have some evidence available to guide me in an educated guess as to whether the person is lying or telling the truth (e.g. past behaviour, things they've said, whether they're in a homophobic environment or not), but I cannot actually say for certain. That's where the definitional issues come in - especially when, as in the cases above, the available evidence is contradictory (i.e. people saying one thing and doing another). What do we call someone who performs same-sex sex acts, denies same-sex attraction, and who we suspect may be lying? What do we call someone who does not perform same-sex sex acts, claims same-sex attraction, and who we suspect might be lying? How do we arbitrate objectively on someone's subjective(-ish) internal experience?

This is, by the way, why science/academic environments often use weird tiptoe-y labels for stuff. Because they don't trust people to be honest (a lot of evidence shows people lie about or just straight-up don't understand their own internal states), but a lot of the ways we group people rely on internal states that researchers don't actually have direct access to. And so, the vaguely pomo language that's designed to either a) explicitly only describe someone's behaviour, or b) explicitly only describe someone's reported self-identity, to avoid the researcher having to make a call about whether the person is "lying" or not. This works okay in academia, because it's understood within this context of "hedging your bets" in order to accurately describe the group you're looking at; works poorly when it's exported into the regular world by psych undergrads with a twitter and delusions of intelligence, because it overcomplicates day-to-day shit to an unnecessary degree.
 
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