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Big thunk, but I wonder if the stop Asian hate bullshit was seeded in order to minimize the actual hatred that’s going to be directed at chinks now that the whole world knows it was their piece of shit government that ruined all our lives for a year plus?

No one will do anything. World economy is so tied to China, they will just get some mild denouncement and move on.

It's amazing really. You have an absurd amount of Americans freaking out when Trump says something slightly rude on Twitter, but countless deaths across the world due to China's fuckup? Eh. No biggie.
 
Get a silicone respirator
Breathe through silicone? Way ahead of you on that one
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China is a vast country with massive porous land borders. Their frontier with Russia or Burma makes the southern border look like the Berlin Wall. There was and is enormous unregulated movement of people back and forward. So how the fuck have they managed to go back to complete normalcy? It's never made any sense to me.
You answered it in the next sentence
Lockdowns? These only work when eradication is a possibility. You can only eradicate if you are able to exercise total control of movement into your country, as in New Zealand and Australia. China cannot and is not doing that. Otherwise lockdowns can only slightly slow spread.

China has done this and more.

Rather than just the police/army imposing martial law, they have got the masses to do their own policing.

It's exactly the same thing as you get with all those other zero-tolerance cases.
Instill mass FUD of the plague and get everyone to be vigilant, while ratcheting up the surveillance/monitoring.
Anyone who doesn't play ball is an enemy of the people, and your neighbours will snitch on you.
 
I actully like wearing a mask because I got fucked up teeth and it's way easier to impress women hiding them.
Looks like mask mandates are there to stay in Britain I guess.
Get a silicone respirator then at least, cloth masks are disgusting and you can't wipe them down.
This is literally the only way to protect yourself from the virus. If there's ever a real pandemic, I can't wait to see maskfags die while chad respiratorfags inherit the Earth.
 
Looks like mask mandates are there to stay in Britain I guess.

This is literally the only way to protect yourself from the virus. If there's ever a real pandemic, I can't wait to see maskfags die while chad respiratorfags inherit the Earth.
The weird thing is that the protocols for mask use have been set down for decades and where totally non controversial up until last year.

Cloth masks- A joke from the olden times from people in black and white pictures. You might as well use a lucky charm, it'll give you as much protection against a virus. Wearing a dirty piece of cloth over your face for days at a time, which I personally know a bunch of people who do, may give you a nice bacterial infection, so there's that.

Surgical masks- good for incidental droplet protection due to water resistant layer. They need to be changed frequent;y, as in if you touch it or it becomes moist. Useless against micro droplet or aerosol viral inhalation but may give some degree of protection for things like Norovirus, but for large droplets only.

N95 respirators- various kinds, the ones used in health care don't have an exhalation valve but otherwise they all work the same way. Offer a degree of protection against viral inhalation up to a maximum of 15 minutes. MUST be fitted properly with no air gaps, MUST be changed (every 15 mins or if you touch it).

P100 respirators- As above. Can be used as filter inserts into a full face mask. Pretty much the gold standard and if there was an actual ZA what I would choose. Used in this way can be worn for long periods of time, but removal and disinfection of the mask must be done very fucking carefully.

It's been a bizarre experience watching normies slap dirty pieces of cloth over their feed holes as a ward against the demon Covid.

BTW Fauci and those other 'experts' on the tee vee know all this, they were taught it in medical school.

You answered it in the next sentence


China has done this and more.

Rather than just the police/army imposing martial law, they have got the masses to do their own policing.

It's exactly the same thing as you get with all those other zero-tolerance cases.
Instill mass FUD of the plague and get everyone to be vigilant, while ratcheting up the surveillance/monitoring.
Anyone who doesn't play ball is an enemy of the people, and your neighbours will snitch on you.
I can tell you've never been to China.

The CCP can be brutal but the Chinese are the most don't give a fuck people I've ever encountered

Road rules are advisory, they all drive like complete lunatics.

People will literally take a shit in the middle of the street and no one bats an eye.

They will smoke, throw garbage and generally ignore petty rules whenever they feel like it. Standing in line is an alien concept to them.

China has been operating business as usual since March last year with no major outbreaks reported up until the past 2 weeks when they've sent parts of Guangzhou into lockdown, coincidentally at the same time everyone started giving them the stink eye for releasing the Kung Flu on the world. It's all a fucking show.
 
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The weird thing is that the protocols for mask use have been set down for decades and where totally non controversial up until last year.

Cloth masks- A joke from the olden times from people in black and white pictures. You might as well use a lucky charm, it'll give you as much protection against a virus. Wearing a dirty piece of cloth over your face for days at a time, which I personally know a bunch of people who do, may give you a nice bacterial infection, so there's that.

Surgical masks- good for incidental droplet protection due to water resistant layer. They need to be changed frequent;y, as in if you touch it or it becomes moist. Useless against micro droplet or aerosol viral inhalation but may give some degree of protection for things like Norovirus, but for large droplets only.

N95 respirators- various kinds, the ones used in health care don't have an exhalation valve but otherwise they all work the same way. Offer a degree of protection against viral inhalation up to a maximum of 15 minutes. MUST be fitted properly with no air gaps, MUST be changed (every 15 mins or if you touch it).

P100 respirators- As above. Can be used as filter inserts into a full face mask. Pretty much the gold standard and if there was an actual ZA what I would choose. Used in this way can be worn for long periods of time, but removal and disinfection of the mask must be done very fucking carefully.

It's been a bizarre experience watching normies slap dirty pieces of cloth over their feed holes as a ward against the demon Covid.

BTW Fauci and those other 'experts' on the tee vee know all this, they were taught it in medical school.
Funny thing about wearing respirators is that you have to be clean shaven, every day, to make sure you get a good skin-respirator seal.

I see people with big beards wondering around with cloth masks on and i just chuckle. Their line of thinking must be "if i wear this mask aka talisman/rabbit-food/amulet of jesus/allah/magic man, i won't die. If i do die, it's everyone elses fault"
 
Was last there a couple months before the outbreak (used to go once a year for work)

They had a hard lockdown, then gradually opened up after a couple months, when they effectively eliminated coof
Anyone coming in the country had to do the 14 day quarantine.

I remember someone mentioned they couldnt travel between cities during May day holidays last year.
And a little later, when they were permitted, needed to organise special travel documents and records of negative tests.

Chinese people have been given latitude to do a lot of things, bar one rule ... don't fuck with (or criticise) central authority.

Only the mad evil uncles can remotely get away with criticising government.
And thats usually whining that the government aren't taking a hard line
 
The weird thing is that the protocols for mask use have been set down for decades and where totally non controversial up until last year.

Cloth masks- A joke from the olden times from people in black and white pictures. You might as well use a lucky charm, it'll give you as much protection against a virus. Wearing a dirty piece of cloth over your face for days at a time, which I personally know a bunch of people who do, may give you a nice bacterial infection, so there's that.

Surgical masks- good for incidental droplet protection due to water resistant layer. They need to be changed frequent;y, as in if you touch it or it becomes moist. Useless against micro droplet or aerosol viral inhalation but may give some degree of protection for things like Norovirus, but for large droplets only.

N95 respirators- various kinds, the ones used in health care don't have an exhalation valve but otherwise they all work the same way. Offer a degree of protection against viral inhalation up to a maximum of 15 minutes. MUST be fitted properly with no air gaps, MUST be changed (every 15 mins or if you touch it).

P100 respirators- As above. Can be used as filter inserts into a full face mask. Pretty much the gold standard and if there was an actual ZA what I would choose. Used in this way can be worn for long periods of time, but removal and disinfection of the mask must be done very fucking carefully.

It's been a bizarre experience watching normies slap dirty pieces of cloth over their feed holes as a ward against the demon Covid.

BTW Fauci and those other 'experts' on the tee vee know all this, they were taught it in medical school.
The only times I have nearly lost my cool in public during this whole debacle has been a few situations involving mask wearing and being able to smell. Walking into a restaurant with a mask wearing Branch Covidian and them commenting on how great the food smells. Oh, you can smell the food? You can smell perfume, or grandpa's fart over there? Guess what else these masks are virtually useless at blocking!

Yet I'm the "science denier" conspiracy theorist.
 
Was last there a couple months before the outbreak (used to go once a year for work)

They had a hard lockdown, then gradually opened up after a couple months, when they effectively eliminated coof
Anyone coming in the country had to do the 14 day quarantine.

I remember someone mentioned they couldnt travel between cities during May day holidays last year.
And a little later, when they were permitted, needed to organise special travel documents and records of negative tests.

Chinese people have been given latitude to do a lot of things, bar one rule ... don't fuck with (or criticise) central authority.

Only the mad evil uncles can remotely get away with criticising government.
And thats usually whining that the government aren't taking a hard line
I was there through Jan last year.

They had a hard lockdown nationwide for 2 weeks, in early Feb, then it was lifted.

Wuhan was in lockdown for a lot longer right through til March.

The CCP then declared the pandemic as over.

There was likely hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of infected people by late January.

I'm pressing a fucking massive X to doubt that the Chinks managed to eliminate a highly contagious respiratory virus in a couple of weeks with lockdowns, with no significant further outbreaks up until recently.

Either they had a vaccine ready to go or they decided to just ignore it.

I view the Chinese lockdowns as part of their propaganda push. Showing how successful it was convinced the rest of the world, particularly the west, to copy them. This alone has caused an enormous shift in the power balance in China's favor.
 
Funny thing about wearing respirators is that you have to be clean shaven, every day, to make sure you get a good skin-respirator seal.
And the cartridges have to be changed AT LEAST twice a day for an 8-hr work day.
And that's to stop fungal spores (50um - 200um), which are exponentially larger than viral particles (0.1um - 0.5um).
 
One of the things I hate the most in this dystopian hellscape, is that I can’t even watch or listen to ANY news programs anymore. I used to just listen to the breakfast news program here in Chinada, while I was getting ready for work. Now every fucking ‘expert’ they have on there just repeats govt talking points and offers nothing new or insightful. It’s all Vaccines are our way out. Vaccines are highly effective. Vaccines are very safe. Ad infinitum.

Today a pleb called in to ask a so called expert about the situation in India and why cases are dropping so rapidly.
All this so called expert had to offer is
“Well they had very successful lockdowns and social distancing as well as vaccine deployment”

Excuse me? You know that’s total BS but god forbid you say something like ‘ivermectin may be helping’.

It enrages me. I just want to see a doctor who is transparent on MsM. Barring that, a news program that actually reports NEWS, not just govt propaganda.
 
I've gotten takeout a few times for restaurants, but actually dining out at a restaurant was great. In red state country, the packed restaurant I was at had absolutely no one wearing a mask. Not the wait staff, not the patrons, nobody, and it was exactly as it was in 2019. Exactly how it should be, and it's a shame I even needed to notice that or crack jokes about how I'm at a "superspreader event". And I am, since the tables are just as close as they always were and no one is wearing a mask. Yet somehow the data shows there are absolutely zero spikes in the oh-so-deadly virus even though this restaurant (and others) are holding nightly/weekly superspreader events. What an absolute joke, the way things are right now is how things should've been a year ago if we followed the emerging science and err'd toward caution. It's amazing how even on Kiwifarms there's still COVID-believers when my own eyes and "lived experience" and the official statistics are telling me it's all a load of shit and always has been.

Still sucks that a lot of restaurants even in the red state free zones still have their employees wear masks (even if they let their patrons breathe free). I'll do takeout there, since I don't want people wearing those nasty-ass masks around my food.
I never really thought of that since I haven't seen a car seat for little kids since I was one, but the whole "make little kids sit in a booster seat" does seem like something with unintended consequences since it relies on parents knowing how to install one right in their car. You know, just like mask mandates. It doesn't help that for years there were PSAs with Disney characters on TV telling parents to make sure they had booster seats in their car. It's also a law in many states.

I'm really glad this "pandemic" made me question so much. Like seatbelt laws, I never really thought of it (except when I was in New Hampshire and knew it was the only state which allowed adults to not wear a seatbelt) but now I'm firmly against them for adults. I'll still wear a seatbelt because they're obviously effective based on decades of research but I don't think adults should have to wear them. Or since some right-wingers compared the scamdemic's panic to climate change (and I noticed parallels), I actually did check the literature for global warming and reevaluated my views (used to be bog-standard MSM except being pro-nuclear power) and at this point I still believe it's a fact the world is warming (and the oil industry shills/scientists who used to deny smoking caused cancer and now deny fossil fuels warm the planet are funny) but caused by humans or not the investment to make solar power or other green tech live up to the promotion the media gives it is worth it. I mean even the COVID-19 vaccine is a good technology since it could protect vulnerable people and be perfected into vaccines for a lot of other hard to cure diseases, but I'm somehow a heretic for thinking it shouldn't be forced on everyone such as healthy young people who have functional immune systems.

Point is never blindly trust the experts, do the research yourself, and learn how to do the research if you don't already know. Oh, and nuance is totally lost on society nowadays.
I view the Chinese lockdowns as part of their propaganda push. Showing how successful it was convinced the rest of the world, particularly the west, to copy them. This alone has caused an enormous shift in the power balance in China's favor.
The West has practically worshipped China for decades, since China has legitimately brought hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and emerged from the world's whipping boy to a world power. Chinese-style "capitalism" is a potent force, especially with how they learned to cheat the world. It's no surprise you end up with Western bureaucrats who buy in totally to China's model without understanding how China works or considering that China indeed does often lie.
 
The weird thing is that the protocols for mask use have been set down for decades and where totally non controversial up until last year.

Cloth masks- A joke from the olden times from people in black and white pictures. You might as well use a lucky charm, it'll give you as much protection against a virus. Wearing a dirty piece of cloth over your face for days at a time, which I personally know a bunch of people who do, may give you a nice bacterial infection, so there's that.

Surgical masks- good for incidental droplet protection due to water resistant layer. They need to be changed frequent;y, as in if you touch it or it becomes moist. Useless against micro droplet or aerosol viral inhalation but may give some degree of protection for things like Norovirus, but for large droplets only.

N95 respirators- various kinds, the ones used in health care don't have an exhalation valve but otherwise they all work the same way. Offer a degree of protection against viral inhalation up to a maximum of 15 minutes. MUST be fitted properly with no air gaps, MUST be changed (every 15 mins or if you touch it).

P100 respirators- As above. Can be used as filter inserts into a full face mask. Pretty much the gold standard and if there was an actual ZA what I would choose. Used in this way can be worn for long periods of time, but removal and disinfection of the mask must be done very fucking carefully.

It's been a bizarre experience watching normies slap dirty pieces of cloth over their feed holes as a ward against the demon Covid.

BTW Fauci and those other 'experts' on the tee vee know all this, they were taught it in medical school.
Reddit says it's all about source control so it still works.
“Well they had very successful lockdowns and social distancing as well as vaccine deployment”
It's really quite amazing. I wonder how many of these so called experts are grifters or true believers.

Imagine social distancing in a highly populated and impoverished country. Not gonna happen outside of photo ops. Where I live, this measure was only visibly and regularly enforced until May 2020. Beyond that, it was only in example arrests to broadcast on TV to make it look like the government is doing something.
 
One of the things I hate the most in this dystopian hellscape, is that I can’t even watch or listen to ANY news programs anymore. I used to just listen to the breakfast news program here in Chinada, while I was getting ready for work. Now every fucking ‘expert’ they have on there just repeats govt talking points and offers nothing new or insightful. It’s all Vaccines are our way out. Vaccines are highly effective. Vaccines are very safe. Ad infinitum.

Today a pleb called in to ask a so called expert about the situation in India and why cases are dropping so rapidly.
All this so called expert had to offer is
“Well they had very successful lockdowns and social distancing as well as vaccine deployment”

Excuse me? You know that’s total BS but god forbid you say something like ‘ivermectin may be helping’.

It enrages me. I just want to see a doctor who is transparent on MsM. Barring that, a news program that actually reports NEWS, not just govt propaganda.
Noticed the radio silence about India. From non stop coverage about it being a literal hell on Earth with gazillions of Panjeet's getting deaded to no mention whatsoever.

The scary delta variant is supposedly twice as infectious as the original coof bug, but their case numbers are collapsing? They're currently reporting 86,000 cases per day, which adjusted for population would be 20,000 in the US or around 4,000 in the UK.

The US is currently reporting 13,000 cases per day and the UK 3,000.

TLDR India is currently no worst off than either the US or the UK. India has fully vaccinated 3.3% of it's population compared to the US and the UK at 42%. Has Ivermectin helped? I would say so, but more likely the virus has run through it's population, just like it did everywhere else, and they've achieved suppression through herd immunity, again just like we did back in January.

The real story coming out of India is that there never was a need for mass vaccination in countries that suffered major outbreaks.

Hilariously, given the recent uptick in case numbers in Europe and the US, muh vaccines seem to be doing zero parts of fuck all to stop transmission.
 
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