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5th gen: 4 members
4th gen: soon to be 4 members
3rd gen: place your bets on who

Anyway, I'm looking forward on her final Usaken romp during Summer Festival on 27th. Her Minecraft videos has become more enjoyable ever since she got entangled with Usaken chaos.

Hopefully by she eventually will able to imitate Peko intro. Or failed again and keep training to improve till next time as last send-off for Usaken. :semperfidelis:
 
5th gen: 4 members
4th gen: soon to be 4 members
3rd gen: place your bets on who

Anyway, I'm looking forward on her final Usaken romp during Summer Festival on 27th. Her Minecraft videos has become more enjoyable ever since she got entangled with Usaken chaos.

Hopefully by she eventually will able to imitate Peko intro. Or failed again and keep training to improve till next time as last send-off for Usaken. :semperfidelis:
3rd gen , Marine...... the signs are there.
 
The rrat that Cover isn't directly involved and this is solely Coco's decision is absurd. We have all seen how Cover treated Coco since the incident, preventing Collabs, not celebrating her success, restricting her access to the EN girls, they clearly wanted her gone. Even through all of this Coco held on, for her and her friends sake. Do you really think she'd say: "There's things I wish I could do before I graduate, but it won't happen," if this was her choice? If this is a personal choice, why is she chocking back tears through her announcement, constantly muting herself. Coco is a professional, she could prepare for this if it wasn't immediately placed on her. This is not even mentioning Cover putting a press release in Chinese out immediately, before Coco's video is even translated in English. Why would Cover do this, if not to appease the bugman. Coco might be fine on her own, but missing the opportunities of streaming with all her friends (some say coworkers but when was the last time people missed a day due to a coworker retiring, see: Flare, Noel and Rushia) is going to hurt her and everyone around her. Coco clearly was forced into this, and Cover decided Chinese dollars are worth pursuing again.
It is precisely because it's so obvious that it's impossible. They have burned bridges with bilibili and the chinese, disbanding their CN division in disgrace. That's one big rich audience they had alienate. You think they have the capacity to aleniate more people by forcing Coconto graduate and try to appease the chinks again? There would be uproar perhaps even bigger than the taiwan incident since now the EOP, who a lot of whom also hates the chinese, are in the equation. That's basically suicide
 
The rrat that Cover isn't directly involved and this is solely Coco's decision is absurd. We have all seen how Cover treated Coco since the incident, preventing Collabs, not celebrating her success, restricting her access to the EN girls, they clearly wanted her gone. Even through all of this Coco held on, for her and her friends sake. Do you really think she'd say: "There's things I wish I could do before I graduate, but it won't happen," if this was her choice? If this is a personal choice, why is she chocking back tears through her announcement, constantly muting herself. Coco is a professional, she could prepare for this if it wasn't immediately placed on her. This is not even mentioning Cover putting a press release in Chinese out immediately, before Coco's video is even translated in English. Why would Cover do this, if not to appease the bugman. Coco might be fine on her own, but missing the opportunities of streaming with all her friends (some say coworkers but when was the last time people missed a day due to a coworker retiring, see: Flare, Noel and Rushia) is going to hurt her and everyone around her. Coco clearly was forced into this, and Cover decided Chinese dollars are worth pursuing again.
Guess we will find out if they try to pursue the CN market again. Narukami Sabaki isn't exactly a pillar of truth, but a new HoloCN would add credence to everything else said about her treatment and how the decision to graduate was made.

I wonder if they'll return under the Hololive brand, or if Cover will make a different subsidiary and try to keep them as separate as possible so that Cover can have their cake and eat it too.

Surely they aren't so fucking brain-dead to go that route, though.
 
The rrat that Cover isn't directly involved and this is solely Coco's decision is absurd. We have all seen how Cover treated Coco since the incident, preventing Collabs, not celebrating her success, restricting her access to the EN girls, they clearly wanted her gone. Even through all of this Coco held on, for her and her friends sake. Do you really think she'd say: "There's things I wish I could do before I graduate, but it won't happen," if this was her choice? If this is a personal choice, why is she chocking back tears through her announcement, constantly muting herself. Coco is a professional, she could prepare for this if it wasn't immediately placed on her. This is not even mentioning Cover putting a press release in Chinese out immediately, before Coco's video is even translated in English. Why would Cover do this, if not to appease the bugman. Coco might be fine on her own, but missing the opportunities of streaming with all her friends (some say coworkers but when was the last time people missed a day due to a coworker retiring, see: Flare, Noel and Rushia) is going to hurt her and everyone around her. Coco clearly was forced into this, and Cover decided Chinese dollars are worth pursuing again.
I’d say you have a point if it weren’t for the fact that YAGOO himself admitted that their entire CN operation left them in the red until they finally closed up shop. It was a money sink that never bore fruit no matter how many resources and girls they threw at it. You can even be uncharitable and say that Haato’s and Coco’s harrassment was just merely the last straw for the higher-ups to pull the plug.
They aren’t going back to a demographic that hasn’t been giving them money even before said demographic declared them public enemy no. 1.
 
I fully agree with this. Taking a step back and getting an overview of the situation helps one put the pieces together. She's leaving on friendly terms & this is either a very elaborate lie that several girls, including Coco herself, are in on or she decided to leave on her own volition. I'll go with the latter.
We'll be losing big tit dragon persona and a lot of clippers probably wont touch Kson because they like staying to an image, but she'll be around. I think Taichi will follow so we'll have LiveTL when he's online too. I hope we get some crazy shit when she's free.
Yeah on the positive side, she now can take a bigger cut of Superchat revenues without Cover's hands on the pie. She can also expand into Youtubing. Huuge potential there given how talented she is
3rd gen , Marine...... the signs are there.
No, no no no NO NO NO!
The rrat that Cover isn't directly involved and this is solely Coco's decision is absurd. We have all seen how Cover treated Coco since the incident, preventing Collabs, not celebrating her success, restricting her access to the EN girls, they clearly wanted her gone. Even through all of this Coco held on, for her and her friends sake. Do you really think she'd say: "There's things I wish I could do before I graduate, but it won't happen," if this was her choice? If this is a personal choice, why is she chocking back tears through her announcement, constantly muting herself. Coco is a professional, she could prepare for this if it wasn't immediately placed on her. This is not even mentioning Cover putting a press release in Chinese out immediately, before Coco's video is even translated in English. Why would Cover do this, if not to appease the bugman. Coco might be fine on her own, but missing the opportunities of streaming with all her friends (some say coworkers but when was the last time people missed a day due to a coworker retiring, see: Flare, Noel and Rushia) is going to hurt her and everyone around her. Coco clearly was forced into this, and Cover decided Chinese dollars are worth pursuing again.
It's really stupid to go after a market that's harassed your talents and contributed to one of their top talents retiring, especially when they've proven that there's a huge international market outside of both JP and CN. Then again, it's a Japanese company. I wouldn't put stupid decisions pass them. See Trash Taste's latest episode on how mind-boggling dealing with Japanese businesses could be
 
From her chatting stream right now. She says holomem wont be banned from saying her name, and if the japanese branch gets new kouhai they can talk about her even if they join after her graduation.
Furthermore, she wont prune any of her public streams, and her twitter account will still be there. She wont use it though.
She seems to go a long way to tell us that she doesn't want to be treated like Mano. She doesn't want to be hidden away, even after she graduates.
Also announced an upcoming collab with Rushia, Kanatan and Aki-Senpai. They'll be playing Itasuto, "The game about earning money".
She's in good spirits too.

Editing this for more info: She says she has a collab planned pretty much for every day throughout June.
Amelia is this week's shitpost review guest.
Coco talked about how the Hololive reddit is just about her graduating, so she hoped the announcement would make the Reddit behave like normal.
She also spoke about Calli spending 5 minutes to put on socks, she spent about 10 minutes on this and how funny she found it.
All the Holomembers knew beforehand. Apparently Luna had the most memorable response. Towa cried by far the most.
"Let's say that I've already conquered Earth and am going to conquer the Universe" - Coco
Point of interest. Coco said "I might come back 500 years later. It'll be over in a flash. Wait for me".
I doubt this is an indication of anything, but incase anyone wants the quote for a tinfoil hat theory about Coco being EN Gen2 or that she may return, its there.
She's now gushing out about her wife.
"Holohouse is forever. I still love vtubers and would love to continue supporting this culture". - Coco
"Watame was like, 'why do you have to graduate? Isn't there some other way?' She ended up listening to quite a bit of my grumbling too. I shared all my sadness, happiness and complaints with her too."
"I'll continue being close with the Holomem. So, don't despair. And Kiryu-kai is forever."
"And because I'm OG, it's totally fine to include me in Hololive Alternative."
"It wont be like dramas where they have to mosaic out certain people who appear in frame."
"I'll be OG and my name will remain as a graduate. Maybe the Hololive Page adds a graduated member sections?"
She just announced another member will be graduating with her; Coco Khaine. So she wont be lonely.
She's talking about Kiryu-chan now. The monster dragon/Human hybrid thing.
She's thinking of paying the ARK Server a visit, she hasn't really looked at it after she started it.
Talking about how the fan art in Ark is fantastic. And she added Ark to the schedule.
The Ark Server will go Offline when she graduates. (Talked about the community server she ran, not the official Hololive ark server, I think.)
She's asking her manager what will happen with the Coco merchandise after she quits.
When she graduates July first, Hololive will stop selling Coco merchandise (Manager got back to her)
"Oh, another thing! This was part of the official announcement. The dates for presents you want to send for my birthday have been prolonged quite a bit, for those of you thinking of physically slamming me with something for the very end. I just might get swamped with so much stuff I can't fit it all in Holohouse. Letters would make me happy too."
"Please send me so much stuff I can't open them all! But don't send fucking toilet paper"
(Someone asked if they can send her flowers) "Sorry, flowers aren't so good."
She's asking people to send her wonderful poems in the mail.
Her stream is closing up and she's tearing up a bit here and there, but still seems happy.
"To those who discovered Hololive through me, I hope you continue to enjoy it."
When she announced her graduation, she didn't look at the chat. She was afraid she'd burst into tears.
She read the chat after the stream and sure enough, she started bawling.
Clashing with previous information: "Yes, all the members-only content will be gone by July 1. I might still be doing a few more members-only streams till then!" this contradicts the "3 months after my graduation" statement made previously.

Seems the stream peaked at around 91k viewers.
Not included: her thanking chat and telling chat to catch her graduation stream the 1st of July, and just random fluff that wasn't important.
STREAM OVER
Thank you for this. I expect Luna's response to be NAAAAAAAni?!, bless Towa truly TMT, I can some how hear Watame asking that and listening to Coco. I don't why the initial announcement didn't get me, but reading this definitely got the waterworks starting.
I can honestly imagine the final stream already.

Most the girls going to visit or call in and say their final goodbyes holding back the tears, Coco will grace us with the final song of SSS in her lovely micky mouse voice.

And then the final line of "GOODBYE MOTHERFUCKERS" then cuts to black.

Then que being a sobbering trainwreck of human being because you told yourself you prepared all of June for it but deep down it still gets you.
If she doesn't end it with a Goodbye Mofos, would it really be Coco?
Towa is such a sweetheart i fucking can't. Hearing her on the verge of tears talking about Coco destroyed me. Even after trying to dilute the pain by drinking my cheeks are still wet.

Can't believe im this emotionally attached to a png of anime dragon-girl (:_(
Think most of us said there's no way we'd get attached to a voice + png right? Jokes on all of us, that's how they get you.
It is precisely because it's so obvious that it's impossible. They have burned bridges with bilibili and the chinese, disbanding their CN division in disgrace. That's one big rich audience they had alienate. You think they have the capacity to aleniate more people by forcing Coconto graduate and try to appease the chinks again? There would be uproar perhaps even bigger than the taiwan incident since now the EOP, who a lot of whom also hates the chinese, are in the equation. That's basically suicide
And as repeated a couple posts over and over, the Chinks don't forget nor forgive. They'll never let Cover back in or make Cover jump so many hoops, give such big cuts it wouldn't be profitable anymore unless all the useless pieces of shits in West Taiwan donated their life savings.
Guess we will find out if they try to pursue the CN market again. Narukami Sabaki isn't exactly a pillar of truth, but a new HoloCN would add credence to everything else said about her treatment and how the decision to graduate was made.

I wonder if they'll return under the Hololive brand, or if Cover will make a different subsidiary and try to keep them as separate as possible so that Cover can have their cake and eat it too.

Surely they aren't so fucking brain-dead to go that route, though.
That is one way but I'm pretty sure people will find out quick and the backlash would be immediate. It's a shitty short term gain for a quick, painful long term loss.

I will throw in that my rrat about Coco returning for her family's health might not stand too well considering she's still going to stay with Kanata. However, for how long its up in the air. Likely until the lease is up, which.. if I'm sure is soonish (1 year lease). It'll depend on if the lease is renewed for Kanata's sake, or everyone moves out etc etc too many factors to think of with all the static in my thoughts.

Howevers, this quote:
Point of interest. Coco said "I might come back 500 years later. It'll be over in a flash. Wait for me".
Is either an indication she is continuing as KSON, entering a management position at Cover, has found a different group to roll with, or this graduation is a super long break because you can't justify being streaming talent and tell your management + fanbase, "I'm taking a x years long break" as compared to the several month breaks previous talents have had. What is this break for? Travel, family, studies. Who knows. It's only Day0/1 (12 hours past) the initial announcement. Until more comes out either via implied/subtle hints (which you should be skeptical about because it might not mean what it means), an official statement (unlikely), or a massive info leak from a verifiable, reliable inside source.

Oh, and those Deltuya tweets. I like the girl but it definitely feels like its one of those emotional tweets and looks like she pulled em quick.. but not quick enough possibly. Who knows because this week's letter is brought to you by the letter C, which the word conjecture starts with, and is what's just going around so early at the moment.
 
To join k-son's new group

Marine has complained about not being able to do what she wants a lot of times and the last couple of weeks have had a ton of flags in retrospect
This is a possibility I was considering as well. Coco is probably a dual citizen of the US and Japan. Unless she was an idiot and renounced her US citizenship.

What's the quickest way to bypass Japanese censorship and copyright laws? Run everything via an United States corporation. If Coco really did that, fucking off to the US and leveraging her experience would be the way to go. The question would be though, does JP copyright laws apply to JP employees of an American company.
 
This is a possibility I was considering as well. Coco is probably a dual citizen of the US and Japan. Unless she was an idiot and renounced her US citizenship.

What's the quickest way to bypass Japanese censorship and copyright laws? Run everything via an United States corporation. If Coco really did that, fucking off to the US and leveraging her experience would be the way to go. The question would be though, does JP copyright laws apply to JP employees of an American company.
She said a while back that she still gives Uncle Sam his cut.
 
Well, said it earlier in the thread but you have to enjoy these things while they last. They have clearly lined up a lot of collaborations leading up to the 1st of July and her final stream, so people should go and enjoy this process of her leaving and the content they make leading up to it, as well as supporting her in anything she does in the future. Make it into something you enjoy watching instead of this massive downer.
 
The first Hunter game featuring actual gameplay will be in a few hours. Excited to see how it goes and how good Calli does as the storyteller.
Only the mad scientist, Yuel B. Alright, can make me feel better today.

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Oh, and those Deltuya tweets. I like the girl but it definitely feels like its one of those emotional tweets and looks like she pulled em quick.. but not quick enough possibly. Who knows because this week's letter is brought to you by the letter C, which the word conjecture starts with, and is what's just going around so early at the moment.
Fun fact (correct me if I'm wrong): Delutaya / Aloe also told that near exact same remark to Nijisanji when describing her friend VTubing experiences. That remark is described as one of the reason of Aloe harrasment to the point of Hololive graduation.
 
This is a possibility I was considering as well. Coco is probably a dual citizen of the US and Japan. Unless she was an idiot and renounced her US citizenship.

What's the quickest way to bypass Japanese censorship and copyright laws? Run everything via an United States corporation. If Coco really did that, fucking off to the US and leveraging her experience would be the way to go. The question would be though, does JP copyright laws apply to JP employees of an American company.
This is interesting. Now that she's an indie streamer. Will she still need to give either US or Japan a tax cut? Able to drop either of them on top of no more Cover cut will make her life a lot easier and her career much more profitable.
Btw, looking back Kson have been hinting this for a while. The open of Youtube membership. The move of trying to get SusanTube to apply the same feature Coco got on Kson channel. The way she said she's remaking her Vtuber avatar. Guess we just chalk all that up to her being too much of a work addict, but dragon never without 10 step ahead I guess.
 
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