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This argument always shows a lack of familiarity with the theological response to homosexuality. God doesn't hate gays, and most religious leaders do encourage tolerance towards them, including Pope Francis who has recently made statements reminding people that gays are created by God as well and hating them is not ok. Claiming that it is nothing but bigotry or homophobia shows that one has never bothered to actually read into the arguments presented.

Marriage is considered a sacramental practice between a man and a women with procreation as a focus. It is a sacred religious institution. Homosexuals can never create life or form a perfect union and are seen as boiling down and stripping away all the sanctity of the act for only the pleasure.

Homosexuality is basically seen on par with casual sex outside of marriage, and the church acknowledges same-sex attraction as being a naturally occurring thing, but those people are seen as being called to chastity and single life.


Most religions with hesitancies towards gays such as Judeism follow the same line of thought. It's not the person it's the acts.
Of course it's much easier to just strip away any and all nuance or opposing worldviews and claim the opponent is bigoted because you don't subscribe to the same theology as them.
Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Its a massive catch 22 for gays (cant have sex because its a sin, cant get married because only between man and woman) and if I were gay and religious it would absolutely suck to be in that position. But as you said, those who are against religion for its views on gays have 0 understanding of the theological position and refuse to learn.
 
This argument always shows a lack of familiarity with the theological response to homosexuality. God doesn't hate gays, and most religious leaders do encourage tolerance towards them, including Pope Francis who has recently made statements reminding people that gays are created by God as well and hating them is not ok. Claiming that it is nothing but bigotry or homophobia shows that one has never bothered to actually read into the arguments presented.

Marriage is considered a sacramental practice between a man and a women with procreation as a focus. It is a sacred religious institution. Homosexuals can never create life or form a perfect union and are seen as boiling down and stripping away all the sanctity of the act for only the pleasure.

Homosexuality is basically seen on par with casual sex outside of marriage, and the church acknowledges same-sex attraction as being a naturally occurring thing, but those people are seen as being called to chastity and single life.


Most religions with hesitancies towards gays such as Judeism follow the same line of thought. It's not the person it's the acts.
Of course it's much easier to just strip away any and all nuance or opposing worldviews and claim the opponent is bigoted because you don't subscribe to the same theology as them.
The problem of religion with gays is primarily a practical issue of health and society - butt sex (regardless of the sex of the receiver) is unhygienic and can easily spread diseases, plus it leads to an easy way to have sex with multiple partners with no "accidents".

One can argue that it's no longer the case in modern times, though the gay community seems to work as hard as it can to prove why being anti-gay is the right method.
 
This argument always shows a lack of familiarity with the theological response to homosexuality. God doesn't hate gays, and most religious leaders do encourage tolerance towards them, including Pope Francis who has recently made statements reminding people that gays are created by God as well and hating them is not ok. Claiming that it is nothing but bigotry or homophobia shows that one has never bothered to actually read into the arguments presented.

Marriage is considered a sacramental practice between a man and a women with procreation as a focus. It is a sacred religious institution. Homosexuals can never create life or form a perfect union and are seen as boiling down and stripping away all the sanctity of the act for only the pleasure.

Homosexuality is basically seen as on par with casual sex outside of marriage, the church acknowledges same-sex attraction as being a naturally occurring thing, but those people are seen as being called to chastity and single life.


Most religions with hesitancies towards gays such as Judaism follow the same line of thought. It's not the person it's the acts.
Of course it's much easier to just strip away any and all nuance or opposing worldviews and claim the opponent is bigoted because you don't subscribe to the same theology as them.
We can discuss the multitude of gay clergymen. Saint John Henry Newman was one of England's most famous Catholics and quite clearly a homosexual.
 
We can discuss the multitude of gay clergymen. Saint John Henry Newman was one of England's most famous Catholics and quite clearly a homosexual.
That's heavily up for debate

How we understand friendship and homosexuality today is very different to how they understand it. The example you cited has an entire section of his wiki page concerning it where most of it comes down to 'not gay, just good friends' with another saint who he shared a deep love of god with. Imagine going through life, never forming strong bonds with brothers in arms (literally or figuratively) with other men (or women if youre a woman). Camaraderie is probably the best word.

Reminds me of that Pompeii greentext where you see 2 dudes huddled as they were vaporised and the only response you get today is 'lol gay bois'
 
That's heavily up for debate

How we understand friendship and homosexuality today is very different to how they understand it. The example you cited has an entire section of his wiki page concerning it where most of it comes down to 'not gay, just good friends' with another saint who he shared a deep love of god with. Imagine going through life, never forming strong bonds with brothers in arms (literally or figuratively) with other men (or women if youre a woman). Camaraderie is probably the best word.

Reminds me of that Pompeii greentext where you see 2 dudes huddled as they were vaporised and the only response you get today is 'lol gay bois'
If you go to african countries where homosexuality is a ticket to being murdered or sentenced to death, you'll see many men holding hands in the street.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between men showing physical affection to each other and tolerance of homosexuality.

Just 100 years ago, this was not uncommon between friends.

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If you go to african countries where homosexuality is a ticket to being murdered or sentenced to death, you'll see many men holding hands in the street.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between men showing physical affection to each other and tolerance of homosexuality.

Just 100 years ago, this was not uncommon between friends.

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While I understood it theoretically, it wasn't until the last few years where I made a friend who fitted the mold of that kind of friendship. You will never know what true friendship is until you experience it. A brother, a best friend and a homie all in one. We even have a similar pic from when he had to move back home (other side of the world) mid covid. I'd post it to add to the wholesomeness but you know, doxing.

That Africa tidbit is fucking hilarious to me
 
If you go to african countries where homosexuality is a ticket to being murdered or sentenced to death, you'll see many men holding hands in the street.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between men showing physical affection to each other and tolerance of homosexuality.
I know it's big in Saudi Arabia to hold hands, and there was that time Bush was holding a Saudi princes hand.
 
This argument always shows a lack of familiarity with the theological response to homosexuality. God doesn't hate gays, and most religious leaders do encourage tolerance towards them, including Pope Francis who has recently made statements reminding people that gays are created by God as well and hating them is not ok.
I'll note neither Pope Francis nor the Dalai Lama, both current religious leaders it is nearly obligatory to admire in liberal circles, have actually endorsed homosexual conduct, because the tenets of the religions they lead do not allow that. As they say, love the sinner, not the sin.

I am generally of the position that if your sexual preference involves nobody but consenting adults, this is entirely up to you, but I agree that even if you do have a religion that prohibits some forms of sexual conduct, this doesn't mean you have to hate people who do it.

Talk as much shit about Pope Frank as you like, his actual position about the morality of homosexual practice from a religious perspective is essentially identical to that of Benedict.
I was wondering what they'd do with this one.
What they usually do. Completely fail to understand it and then try to talk past it. Meanwhile, the actual message has wormed its way into their brains, to do its slow work. StoneToss knows how to meme.
 
That's heavily up for debate

How we understand friendship and homosexuality today is very different to how they understand it. The example you cited has an entire section of his wiki page concerning it where most of it comes down to 'not gay, just good friends' with another saint who he shared a deep love of god with. Imagine going through life, never forming strong bonds with brothers in arms (literally or figuratively) with other men (or women if youre a woman). Camaraderie is probably the best word.

Reminds me of that Pompeii greentext where you see 2 dudes huddled as they were vaporised and the only response you get today is 'lol gay bois'
I didn't realise it was on Wikipedia. I had be going by A N Wilson in God's Funeral and The Victorians on the matter. Then again, despite my Catholicism, I suffer an old Anglican, Charles Kingsley view on matters who also believed Newman to be a homosexual.

I should have said G M Hopkins who was explicitly homosexual in feeling (even describing his fears of being attracted to Jesus on the cross). Newman was the first to pop in my head when this topic was brought up. It's not something I feel strong one way or the other as I've seen credible arguments from both sides.
 
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I didn't realise it was on Wikipedia. I had be going by A N Wilson in God's Funeral and The Victorians on the matter. Then again, despite my Catholicism, I suffer an old Anglican, Charles Kingsley view on matters who also believed Newman to be a homosexual.

I should have said G M Hopkins who was explicitly homosexual in feeling (even describing his fears of being attracted to Jesus on the cross). Newman was the first to pop in my head when this topic was brought up. It's not something I feel strong one way or the other as I've seen credible arguments from both sides.
Small sidestep that builds on your original point. I read a really good theory that the reason there is a pedo problem in the church is because those men were gay (who already have problems with being pedos) in a time where it was extremely shameful, gay feelings were misunderstood AND religiosity was still strong (but waning) and embraced 'praying the gay away' so that they could still observe 'hate the sin, not the sinner'. Then pedos gonna pedo and here we are. Its also entirely possible that this as been a thing for hundreds of years and we just never knew (gays in the church, praying the gay away).

I still stick by my friendship statement. There is a level of friendship that has fallen out of favour since the world wars and it is a real shame that men haven't reclaimed that.

Anyway, this is starting to get off topic so I'll stop my sperging.
 
Yes very sad, it was a nice tradition.

That spiral symbol is kinda sus.

Also more antifastonetoss to drone on without jokes:

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I like this one. A man born with purple hair.

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give it another go. (I am stilling Kekking at them trying to play off not knowing why the Tranny is balding)
also an edit that is 6 panels or under is actually impressive for these knuckle draggers.
In other news this is the worst edit I have seen yet
 

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"Nuance is impossible" wisdom for the ages, as they justify raping a comic with a treatise in the bubble, by saying it needs nuance. :lunacy:
Nuance is a lefty word that means doublethink.

Whenever they call for nuance, they're asking people to abandon logic and get lost in a kind of unsolvable complexity where any sensible answer is rejected. This guy seems one step ahead of the curve among lefties; he's realizing that it leads to impossible situations.
 
Yes very sad, it was a nice tradition.

That spiral symbol is kinda sus.

Also more antifastonetoss to drone on without jokes:

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(it's a third time rewrite)

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I like this one. A man born with purple hair.

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Roughly 70% of deaths caused by dog attacks are by pitbulls. Dogs rescued from dogfighting shelters not being adopted or being put down are the rule, not the exception. And to top it all off, I've personally not once heard headlines reading "dog rescued from dogfighting ring kills adoptive owner," but I have read articles reading things such as "woman attacked by own pitbull while having a seizure."

So yes, it is technically the owner's fault, because all pitbull owners possess the same fatal flaw: they don't think pitbulls are innately dangerous.
 
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