Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

When the leaked screenshots of them shooting the Casino first hit the internet I thought that it was going to be the opening scene where Lando would eventually show up. Considering how pointless it was in the final film they could have just built a set somewhere instead of wasting all that money going to Croatia.

That casino planet should have been in the Solo movie instead.

Imagine if you will, Han Solo. Currently a washout from the Imperial military, kicked out for standing up for Chewie. The two of them are desperate, on the run, and they come upon Canto Bight and end up working for the casinos there. Seeing all these rich fops splash cash as if there was no tomorrow inspires Han to work hard, as he begins to imagine himself making it big and getting a ship of his own. In comes Lando Calrissian, who's on a winning streak, betting everything from his ship to his money, and Han then takes some of his meager wages and bets it against Lando. Han manages to win one lucky hand and proceeds to relieve Lando of the Millennium Falcon. He then uses the Falcon to deliver spice for Jabba the Hutt, which earns him windfall profits.

That's how they could have depicted Han winning the Falcon from Lando. He looks at all the rich people he works for, he dreams of making it big, and he makes one fateful bet, manages to luck out, and he makes it big. Instead of making the Solo movie be just about another fight against another evil force, they should have made it more of a Cowboy Bebop-style movie where Han struggles to hit it rich and by the end, he manages to do so, winning the Falcon, a small fortune, and a career that would make him one of the premier smugglers in the SW galaxy.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Thats pretty much what redeems Lucas and the prequels, in my opinion.

I don't think that Lucas is a good director, in fact I think he's a pretty bad one, but when it comes to world building he is truly a visionary and not just in the lip service way that phrase is used. People often go into this, but the prequels had excellent world building and had Lucas given someone else the directorial reigns, could have been a wonderful series (even with directorial mistakes, I still enjoyed it).

Now, the prequels definitely change the tone of star wars to a considerable degree in a way that plays on a "what if" kind of Space Antiquity, blending in old medieval europe, romanesque designs, and other cultural influenes. Prior to the prequels, Starwars, while not grimdark, was a bit more gritty, a bit more technologically oriented, and the designs of planets, cities, and overall feel seemed to be a lot more modern. If you look at the prequels, take out the technology and you could set it in any sort of ASOFAI or Dinotopia world, to be frank.

Its the extended universe that was built off of the prequel world and tone of the prequel world, even things like KOTR, that was the real gem which spawned from the prequel trilogy. I don't think we'd have things like KOTR without the space antiquity of the prequels, and for that I am really thankful.

The sequel trilogy just doesn't have any of that, and it seems like Disney has just given up. There was a cool comic with a stormtrooper turned crime lord, but in terms of EU media stemming from the Sequels, Disney seems to have a tight reign on that and has largely abandoned it for better or worse (and it may be for the better). Rather than having any interesting worldbuilding,

this shit just feels more like Im watching a Harry Potter movie, and for that, I just don't give much of a shit.

I think the reason Lucas tried to write and direct the Prequels himself instead of stay on as a producer was a matter of pure ego, most people I'm sure assumed he wrote and directed all of the OT, I myself didn't know he didn't direct Empire and Jedi until years later, I think I had some idea about Lawrence Kasdan before then but I didn't know about the other directors and I found that fact surprising.

Knowing most people thought he directed them, but he really didn't, probably bruised his ego and made him like somewhat of a fraud, so he decided to do everything himself for the Prequel trilogy in order to "prove" he really was the ultimate mastermind behind Star Wars all along, the trouble is he wasn't, he's a brilliant world builder like you said but it took collaboration with other talented people in order to really bring his vision to life in a quality way, he should have put his ego aside for the Prequels.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I think the reason Lucas tried to write and direct the Prequels himself instead of stay on as a producer was a matter of pure ego, most people I'm sure assumed he wrote and directed all of the OT, I myself didn't know he didn't direct Empire and Jedi until years later, I think I had some idea about Lawrence Kasdan before then but I didn't know about the other directors and I found that fact surprising.

Knowing most people thought he directed them, but he really didn't, probably bruised his ego and made him like somewhat of a fraud, so he decided to do everything himself for the Prequel trilogy in order to "prove" he really was the ultimate mastermind behind Star Wars all along, the trouble is he wasn't, he's a brilliant world builder like you said but it took collaboration with other talented people in order to really bring his vision to life in a quality way, he should have put his ego aside for the Prequels.

I recommend you watch these playlists:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP7v2GoLok346dluOMqDXxkIiBqY42WCL

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP7v2GoLok34LUKvz1LL2cl-gNKFYg77n

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP7v2GoLok34IPYPPHA9sLZymDSSS4vvf

They helped put things into perspective and I think sfdebris did a good job finding a balance between understanding the decisions Lucas made and being critical of them.

 

[Adamska]

It's a very generic show that looks pretty, anything that could have been interesting about it so far is cleanly side-stepped.

I'd not call it pretty mainly because it's literally reused assets the show.

And hahaha of course the first time Doomcuck actually puts effort into a video again is because everyone is calling him a faggot. Problem is he's still a faggot; this wouldn't have happened if he did not keep trying to spam bullshit rumors and actually did minimal effort before this happened.

 

[Sneed F91]

I think the reason Lucas tried to write and direct the Prequels himself instead of stay on as a producer was a matter of pure ego, most people I'm sure assumed he wrote and directed all of the OT, I myself didn't know he didn't direct Empire and Jedi until years later, I think I had some idea about Lawrence Kasdan before then but I didn't know about the other directors and I found that fact surprising.

I do think that George really didn't try as hard as he could have to find new talent to direct the PT, so he made up the "nobody else wanted to" excuse. Look at how many literal whos are directing huge blockbusters these days. I have heard rumors that Spielberg directed parts of ROTS uncredited but who knows if that's actually true. Lucas likes everything about the filmmaking process but actually directing. I think it's a testament to how well directed ESB and ROTJ are that they fit with the tone and feeling of ANH to feel like a complete trilogy.

That's how they could have depicted Han winning the Falcon from Lando. He looks at all the rich people he works for, he dreams of making it big, and he makes one fateful bet, manages to luck out, and he makes it big. Instead of making the Solo movie be just about another fight against another evil force, they should have made it more of a Cowboy Bebop-style movie where Han struggles to hit it rich and by the end, he manages to do so, winning the Falcon, a small fortune, and a career that would make him one of the premier smugglers in the SW galaxy.

Speaking of Soylo (which was an incredibly boring and stupid movie), the one thing I actually remember liking about that movie was the Falcon's new blue and white paint job.

Maybe one of you guys can tell me how Disney completely fucked up or something because it was supposed to look the same between ROTS and ANH. There's no way Han and Chewie made it look like dogshit the way it does in 10 years time considering how much Han loves the Falcon (which is also the reason why him losing it in TFA was complete bullshit).

I wish they had used the look of Soylo's Falcon for the sequels instead. But since it had to be in the new movies it just had to look exactly identical to what it looked like 30 years ago. It would also be a simple visual reminder that this is a new trilogy by showing how familiar things the audience knows have changed.

And I would have blown it up after Han died.

 

[Creep3r]

I do think that George really didn't try as hard as he could have to find new talent to direct the PT, so he made up the "nobody else wanted to" excuse. Look at how many literal whos are directing huge blockbusters these days. I have heard rumors that Spielberg directed parts of ROTS uncredited but who knows if that's actually true. Lucas likes everything about the filmmaking process but actually directing. I think it's a testament to how well directed ESB and ROTJ are that they fit with the tone and feeling of ANH to feel like a complete trilogy.



Speaking of Soylo (which was an incredibly boring and stupid movie), the one thing I actually remember liking about that movie was the Falcon's new blue and white paint job.

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Maybe one of you guys can tell me how Disney completely fucked up or something because it was supposed to look the same between ROTS and ANH. There's no way Han and Chewie made it look like dogshit the way it does in 10 years time considering how much Han loves the Falcon (which is also the reason why him losing it in TFA was complete bullshit).

I wish they had used the look of Soylo's Falcon for the sequels instead. But since it had to be in the new movies it just had to look exactly identical to what it looked like 30 years ago. It would also be a simple visual reminder that this is a new trilogy by showing how familiar things the audience knows have changed.

And I would have blown it up after Han died.

I could do without the ill-fitting escape pod at the front since that's the heavy mandibles. Otherwise, it looks like a more simplified version of the Stellar Envoy, which was one of the Falcon's names under its previous owners during the prequel-era, and even then it was already dinged up unlike the smooth look in Solo.

I went into a lot of detail about the Falcon's real world and fictional backstory many pages back if you're interested:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-8440067

 

[Ghostse]

I do think that George really didn't try as hard as he could have to find new talent to direct the PT, so he made up the "nobody else wanted to" excuse. Look at how many literal whos are directing huge blockbusters these days. I have heard rumors that Spielberg directed parts of ROTS uncredited but who knows if that's actually true. Lucas likes everything about the filmmaking process but actually directing. I think it's a testament to how well directed ESB and ROTJ are that they fit with the tone and feeling of ANH to feel like a complete trilogy.



Speaking of Soylo (which was an incredibly boring and stupid movie), the one thing I actually remember liking about that movie was the Falcon's new blue and white paint job.

View attachment 2248094
Maybe one of you guys can tell me how Disney completely fucked up or something because it was supposed to look the same between ROTS and ANH. There's no way Han and Chewie made it look like dogshit the way it does in 10 years time considering how much Han loves the Falcon (which is also the reason why him losing it in TFA was complete bullshit).

I wish they had used the look of Soylo's Falcon for the sequels instead. But since it had to be in the new movies it just had to look exactly identical to what it looked like 30 years ago. It would also be a simple visual reminder that this is a new trilogy by showing how familiar things the audience knows have changed.

And I would have blown it up after Han died.

I liked the idea of the "smooth falcon" but honestly I think (once again) they should have done an Anthology series of the Falcon trading owners and getting into its gloriously fucked up state by the time Han wins it.
The way it runs, its more like Han got a cherry camero and had a fucked franken machine from Space Mad max by the time of ANH.

 

[qu_rahn]

It's like Fedsmoker getting his hands on a shiny new Crown Vic

 

[Creep3r]

I liked the idea of the "smooth falcon" but honestly I think (once again) they should have done an Anthology series of the Falcon trading owners and getting into its gloriously fucked up state by the time Han wins it.
The way it runs, its more like Han got a cherry camero and had a fucked franken machine from Space Mad max by the time of ANH.

That's honestly what they should've gone with. They even had the perfect script for it:

But instead we get an incredibly awkward, poorly written and butchered version of the Han Solo trilogy with a Brokeback Mountain moment, making it so Solo isn't even his real surname of all things, Darth fucking Maul as the big finisher for some moronic reason despite him having fuck all to do with the Solo mythos and a mess of other idiocies.

 

[The Valeyard]

Darth fucking Maul as the big finisher for some moronic reason despite him having fuck all to do with the Solo mythos

If he doesn’t appear in the Kenobi series, I imagine that Darth Maul will be another cameo for The Bad Batch so that they can tie up that loose end.

Unless Qi’ra mentions what happened to the Crimson Dawn in Marvel’s War of the Bounty Hunters which I haven’t read, and don’t plan to.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Speaking of Solo... can someone tell me why the wookies in the Kessel Prison had hairless faces?

I was half awake the one time I watched this film, but I swear that is what they looked like.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Speaking of Solo... can someone tell me why the wookies in the Kessel Prison had hairless faces?

I was half awake the one time I watched this film, but I swear that is what they looked like.

Seriously, what the fuck was up with that? Why did the Wookies look like such shit?

Both the Kashyyyk sequences from ROTS and even the fucking Holiday Special had better Wookie costumes than whatever those dollar store Halloween costumes in Solo were.

It's like...the new films are such unbridled ass, that on top of being incapable of producing a single good new alien design on their own, they actually fuck up existing ones for no reason other than complete and utter incompetence. Don't even get me started on how butt-fuckingly ugly Yoda looked in TLJ.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I think the reason Lucas tried to write and direct the Prequels himself instead of stay on as a producer was a matter of pure ego, most people I'm sure assumed he wrote and directed all of the OT, I myself didn't know he didn't direct Empire and Jedi until years later, I think I had some idea about Lawrence Kasdan before then but I didn't know about the other directors and I found that fact surprising.

Knowing most people thought he directed them, but he really didn't, probably bruised his ego and made him like somewhat of a fraud, so he decided to do everything himself for the Prequel trilogy in order to "prove" he really was the ultimate mastermind behind Star Wars all along, the trouble is he wasn't, he's a brilliant world builder like you said but it took collaboration with other talented people in order to really bring his vision to life in a quality way, he should have put his ego aside for the Prequels.

To be fair I think Lucas was on the set a ton and more or less did direct RotJ. But there is probably truth to what you say in general.

 

[Sneed F91]

Seriously, what the fuck was up with that? Why did the Wookies look like such shit?

Both the Kashyyyk sequences from ROTS and even the fucking Holiday Special had better Wookie costumes than whatever those dollar store Halloween costumes in Solo were.

It's like...the new films are such unbridled ass, that on top of being incapable of producing a single good new alien design on their own, they actually fuck up existing ones for no reason other than complete and utter incompetence. Don't even get me started on how butt-fuckingly ugly Yoda looked in TLJ.

Just like the Falcon, the Chewie costumes for the sequels were made to look exactly like how it did in ANH, instead of bothering to change them at all. Sure Wookies live for hundreds of years, but you couldn't even bother to make him look a little different? They gave him a different hairstyle in ROTJ and it's been 30 years after that. I also hated how they made him into MaRey Sue's pet dog because aliens aren't allowed to be anything other than funny props in Disney Wars.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

But instead we get an incredibly awkward, poorly written and butchered version of the Han Solo trilogy with a Brokeback Mountain moment, making it so Solo isn't even his real surname of all things, Darth fucking Maul as the big finisher for some moronic reason despite him having fuck all to do with the Solo mythos and a mess of other idiocies.

Thanks to that and Rebels, we’ll probably won’t see a proper final duel between Obi Wan and Maul.

Only thing I remember from that movie is Donald Glover wanting to fuck a robot.

 

[Creep3r]

Seriously, what the fuck was up with that? Why did the Wookies look like such shit?

Both the Kashyyyk sequences from ROTS and even the fucking Holiday Special had better Wookie costumes than whatever those dollar store Halloween costumes in Solo were.

It's like...the new films are such unbridled ass, that on top of being incapable of producing a single good new alien design on their own, they actually fuck up existing ones for no reason other than complete and utter incompetence. Don't even get me started on how butt-fuckingly ugly Yoda looked in TLJ.

Disney and Bad Robot just seems incapable of recreating the original aliens without making them look ugly as sin or giving the colorful ones gross fleshtone skin with scrotum textures.

The most notable change was the Ithorian.

Which didn't look anything like one. That faggot Pablo Hidalgo tried claiming it was a different species related to them but all promotional material, concept art and a card game called them Ithorians. Its like Bad Robot just skimmed through ANH or thought "Wow I can't believe George (JJ and the costume department pretending George was costume designer here) forgot to give this alien a mouth! Now's my chance to fix that!" either that or they just went by memory, which shows the movies were being made by people who didn't know jackdick about even the most basic SW elements.

They couldn't even be bothered to add make up to the Twi'leks in Disney which just makes their head tails look phallic. Even Bib Fortuna had a nice shade of grey.

And they even gave the dude female ears which Hidalgo tried to claim was a "playful choice" which makes it sound like some twink thing.
They introduce a colorful one for Mando but she's creepy as sin...

What's supposed to be the Xi'Dec insect species (which all look different but insect-like), instead looks like some bag of tumors with a malformed human face and four crab legs for arms.

Even the Hutts have fucked up human faces.

The list goes on...

They all just look gross, ugly, creepy and/or generic when compared to their predecessors.

Even the fags at Wookieepedo which prefer the new over the old seem to agree:

Personally, the lack of classic aliens never bothered me. I’m totally fine with them wanting to establish and create some new creatures.The problem I have, as some of you have pointed out, the new aliens they designed are complete and utter ass. They’re all the same bland, and frankly gross, fleshy looking color scheme.The PT and OT gave us such colorful and unique creatures. The only one I remember from the ST is the Abednedo. And that’s because it’s a Battlefront skin.When you have memorable and creative species throughout your trilogy, it makes the world feel that much more rich and immersive. But when they all look like TMNT rejects, I have absolutely no desire to explore the world any further because it just looks stale.

Even the Gran aren't as unpleasant by comparison.

Rise of Skywalker's not-Tatooine party scene was also supposed to be set on Tatooine and feature "legacy" aliens with their original designs, but the scene was cancelled and replaced with the gay tentacle face party we got in the film while the costumes went unseen outside of production photos.

And its not like there wasn't someone on the concept art team for TLJ who at least knew it can't be the same universe without its same major population.

But all old designs were rejected unless they were Chewbacca, Ackbar and Nien Nunb, because Kennedy didn't think they were "funny enough" or that "it didn't look like Star Wars", hence why she ordered the original casino scrapped, replaced with a Jabba's palace lookalike and filled with ugly as sin tentacle aliens that she thought would be funnier and to make it look more like a "James Bond scene". Its a lot like the imagineers for Galaxy's Edge who came up with all sorts of OT and EU-centered ideas for the park with actual attractions but were all rejected to make it more sequel focused and have it be a glorified strip mall for max profit....

Disney failed to produce a single memorable alien in their new franchise or even produce one that had an actual personality. The only nu-aliens they still advertise are the porgs but they're just toyetic merch items. That and those hideous Mon Calamari replacements from TFA they won't stop forcing into everything while claiming they've always been just as numerous as humans despite never appearing in anything before.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Disney failed to produce a single memorable alien in their new franchise or even produce one that had an actual personality. The only nu-aliens they still advertise are the porgs but they're just toyetic merch items. That and those hideous Mon Calamari replacements from TFA they won't stop forcing into everything while claiming they've always been just as numerous as humans despite never appearing in anything before.

That what happens when you have a Bob Iger as your CEO. Unoriginal and cheap as fuck.

 

[Kane Lives]

Disney and Bad Robot just seems incapable of recreating the original aliens without making them look ugly as sin or giving the colorful ones gross fleshtone skin with scrotum textures.

The most notable change was the Ithorian.
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Which didn't look anything like one. That faggot Pablo Hidalgo tried claiming it was a different species related to them but all promotional material, concept art and a card game called them Ithorians. Its like Bad Robot just skimmed through ANH or thought "Wow I can't believe George (JJ and the costume department pretending George was costume designer here) forgot to give this alien a mouth! Now's my chance to fix that!" either that or they just went by memory, which shows the movies were being made by people who didn't know jackdick about even the most basic SW elements.

They couldn't even be bothered to add make up to the Twi'leks in Disney which just makes their head tails look phallic. Even Bib Fortuna had a nice shade of grey.
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And they even gave the dude female ears which Hidalgo tried to claim was a "playful choice" which makes it sound like some twink thing.
They introduce a colorful one for Mando but she's creepy as sin...
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What's supposed to be the Xi'Dec insect species (which all look different but insect-like), instead looks like some bag of tumors with a malformed human face and four crab legs for arms.
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Even the Hutts have fucked up human faces.
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The list goes on...
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They all just look gross, ugly, creepy and/or generic when compared to their predecessors.
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Even the fags at Wookieepedo which prefer the new over the old seem to agree:

Even the Gran aren't as unpleasant by comparison.
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Rise of Skywalker's not-Tatooine party scene was also supposed to be set on Tatooine and feature "legacy" aliens with their original designs, but the scene was cancelled and replaced with the gay tentacle face party we got in the film while the costumes went unseen outside of production photos.
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And its not like there wasn't someone on the concept art team for TLJ who at least knew it can't be the same universe without its same major population.
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But all old designs were rejected unless they were Chewbacca, Ackbar and Nien Nunb, because Kennedy didn't think they were "funny enough" or that "it didn't look like Star Wars", hence why she ordered the original casino scrapped, replaced with a Jabba's palace lookalike and filled with ugly as sin tentacle aliens that she thought would be funnier and to make it look more like a "James Bond scene". Its a lot like the imagineers for Galaxy's Edge who came up with all sorts of OT and EU-centered ideas for the park with actual attractions but were all rejected to make it more sequel focused and have it be a glorified strip mall fox max profit....

Disney failed to produce a single memorable alien in their new franchise or even produce one that had an actual personality. The only nu-aliens they still advertise are the porgs but they're just toyetic merch items. That and those hideous Mon Calamari replacements from TFA they won't stop forcing into everything while claiming they've always been just as numerous as humans despite never appearing in anything before.
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There is one overriding question that came to mind as I was reading this:
Why are all the nu-Aliens flesh-coloured?

 

[The Valeyard]

There is one overriding question that came to mind as I was reading this:
Why are all the nu-Aliens flesh-coloured?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was to make the racial diversity of the humans stand out.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There is one overriding question that came to mind as I was reading this:
Why are all the nu-Aliens flesh-coloured?

They're all HAPA aliens that fucked humans. Conversely, humans fucked the aliens and thus gave birth to purple haired admirals and other weirdos.