Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

I even remember watching some vice documentaries around 2012 and it was basically an edgy hipster racist magazine with very mean people in it. But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.
Gavin McInnes was one of the co-founders, which is unbelievable today but back then it made sense that the godfather of hipsters was behind Vice. He left in 2008, the 2012-2013 shift must have been due to some silicon valley money entering the picture or something.
They all try to explain how we got here so fast, but nobody of them really answer the question why it happened with a bang. How did we go from 2010's "Women are women and men are men" to today's politicians who unironically say "Biological sex is a very complex subject and the binary is out-dated and transphobic!".
I don't want to say "gamergate" because it's so reductive, but it's hard to ignore that the event spilled over into real life. Twitter is now like the Matrix - you get cancelled online, you get cancelled in real life. Harassment, brigading, reporting, "virtue signaling", etc all the things that would make people older than 30 go "jesse what the fuck are you talking about?" already existed online for years, but GG made it "real" and now a 50-60 year old politician has to unironically play by Twitter's rules IRL or he gets in trouble with the mob.
I mean, I wish I'm wrong and I'm missing some kind of major event, but I just don't see other online controversies like the female Ghostbusters or the Last Jedi backlash kicking this off nor can I think of anything that happened in real life that could make people behave like this. I'd actually want to be proven wrong on this because GG being the catalyst is like the universe's script being written by the shittiest writers.
 
I don't want to say "gamergate" because it's so reductive, but it's hard to ignore that the event spilled over into real life. Twitter is now like the Matrix - you get cancelled online, you get cancelled in real life. Harassment, brigading, reporting, "virtue signaling", etc all the things that would make people older than 30 go "jesse what the fuck are you talking about?" already existed online for years, but GG made it "real" and now a 50-60 year old politician has to unironically play by Twitter's rules IRL or he gets in trouble with the mob.
I mean, I wish I'm wrong and I'm missing some kind of major event, but I just don't see other online controversies like the female Ghostbusters or the Last Jedi backlash kicking this off nor can I think of anything that happened in real life that could make people behave like this. I'd actually want to be proven wrong on this because GG being the catalyst is like the universe's script being written by the shittiest writers.
I really hate subscribing to the idea that gamergate caused all this shit but its really starting to look more and more like it.

I just wanted to game/grill, why did you make me do this?
 
I really hate subscribing to the idea that gamergate caused all this shit but its really starting to look more and more like it.

I just wanted to game/grill, why did you make me do this?
"gamergate"
I missed GG and have no idea what happened. The gAm3Rs made it sound like a holy crusade to smite Anita Sarkeesian and some irrevelant chick whose name escapes me because they were ruining the industry. The media made it sound like the jilted lover of some irrelevant chick who made a shitty video game doxed and led others to harass her because she blew some guy for a good review. I faintly remember Brianna Ghoul Wu and Zinnia Goatse Jones being involved somehow. That was before I fell down the troon rabbit hole so I ignored them.

I must have lived in a kick ass hick pocket from 2013 to 2016 because I clearly remember the PC shit completely took over in early 2017. It was slowly ramping up for all those years, then flew off the rails fast. Now every acquaintance under 35 is woke and I live in the South. I joke with the few shitlords left that those people got abducted, assimilated with the hivemind, then returned to their beds with no memory of that night.
 
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I really hate subscribing to the idea that gamergate caused all this shit but its really starting to look more and more like it.
Every single chain of events since 2014 can be lead back to gamergate, it was the reality shifting event that most people did not know happen but some how impacted the course of humanity.
It got Trump elected, it caused Brexit, It killed George Floyd and its responsible for 80% of the cows on this site being brought into attention.
 
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Someone said that Olly purposefully uses a camera angle that elongates his face and opens his mouth a bit to emulate Contra. I thought they were reading way too much into it until I saw their selfies side-by-side. Even Olly's weird fucked up cheekbone is smoothed out to look exactly like Contra's botched FFS. I get this could be a coincidence but it's bizarre.
I, for one, congratulate Mac Tonight on his transition into a beautiful wahman.
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Here's a little bite of history about this cunts ancestors.


Our peoples princess, and reet-pua-geordie-me-like, can trace back to Charles the second, and on.
Seems to have deleted/edited out the section of the video ('Why Britain still has a Queen or similar title) where he's standing next to a portrait of Charles, and yes, looks like him. A lot.

Had this classic Cameronesque, fat faced cunt not repeatedly bigged it up with 'geordie' this and that, I woudl have continued ignoring rather than actively hating and looking into him.
'Geordie actress' mate, you're a geordie as much as Queen Liz is a cockney.

Boris Johnson lives in his family, the Lennards, ancestral home. He is absolutely that which he pretends to rail against. HE put that in his own video, which will prob be deleted soon, much like the clip next to the portrait- as it doesnt really mesh well with The New Grift.

The whole vibe of the bit is supposed to be a -this means nothing, class means nothing- whilst he still cant resist making a massive fucking deal of it. he even jokingly mentions how he should eclipse Contra as queen of youtube (the some creepo line about getting on his knees).

Choosing to go to St Andrews of all places say its all about his true feelings about how much things like this matter. ... also, as a mirrorworld bonus, its a lot easier to sell yourself as a radical, and get away with stewart lee standup full rip off up there

As much as self-annointing as the UKs most visible trans person, and encouraging people to vote in for an LGBT award, when its been two fucking minutes, this skinwalker will pick and chose bits of identity and then rape every last drop of self-advancement from them.
The cunt has done nothing for the north east, has contributed nothing material or useful to any local community, and doesnt know how to- hasnt even done aything representationally for the place - its all a one way flow, a black hole sucking in anything that looks like it will spur on this increidbly medicore actor- even that title is a stretch. A few decades ago, when not only the richest seciton of the country could afford to be actors, this cunt wouldnt get a first audition.


great granpap MP self felates about his opposition to slavery despite owning 288 of them in Jamaica at the time, and seemed weirdly focussed on some seemingly backwards piece of legislation about women/daughters and freemens marriage voting rights, ''targeted his campaign at the ‘ladies’ of Maldon'' -which ''cut little ice.''

sounds about right.

As you might have guessed by my extreme distaste around the use of the term geordie, im from Newcastle. I used to know a few lads who went to his very posh school. Been humming and harring about seeing if they have any leads about something that could start the wobble that will topple the tower of MeToos waiting just round the corner, for Ollie.

I feel i should qualify - I dont use this site really, I dont hate all breadtubers (just most of the little glakes) but i quite like contrapoints a lot. I dont agree with the obsessional hatred displayed her way on here by some.
I just think this particular creep is so unbelivably obviously lying about....well, everything.
 
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I even remember watching some vice documentaries around 2012 and it was basically an edgy hipster racist magazine with very mean people in it. But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.
Gavin McInnes was one of the co-founders, which is unbelievable today but back then it made sense that the godfather of hipsters was behind Vice. He left in 2008, the 2012-2013 shift must have been due to some silicon valley money entering the picture or something.
This made me remember seeing a Vice documentary on ladyboys back in 2010-2011. They took some ladyboys to a shooting range and later got into a bathtub together. Shane Smith was trying to get one of them to show their penis, or so I remember it. I tried to look it up but had no luck finding it anywhere. There is a page for it, but it doesn't have the video, or if it does it's not working for me. I wonder how the tranny community would react to it if they saw it today.

They still got their Jim Goad articles up.

I also have these images from the Vice magazine:
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I missed GG and have no idea what happened. The gAm3Rs made it sound like a holy crusade to smite Anita Sarkeesian and some irrevelant chick whose name escapes me because they were ruining the industry. The media made it sound like the jilted lover of some irrelevant chick who made a shitty video game doxed and led others to harass her because she blew some guy for a good review. I faintly remember Brianna Ghoul Wu and Zinnia Goatse Jones being involved somehow. That was before I fell down the troon rabbit hole so I ignored them.

I must have lived in a kick ass hick pocket from 2013 to 2016 because I clearly remember the PC shit completely took over in early 2017. It was slowly ramping up for all those years, then flew off the rails fast. Now every acquaintance under 35 is woke and I live in the South. I joke with the few shitlords left that those people got abducted, assimilated with the hivemind, then returned to their beds with no memory of that night.
Im kind of glad i missed gamergate, i sort of started to see all this crap at the tail end of the atheist thing going on around 2017. mainly watching hugo and jake, who later became the troon and cornhole virtue signaller
 
The trans explosion in 2012/13 is something I can't pin down, but there's definite grounds for gamer gate being a kind of turning point. It sounds ridiculous in retrospect, but the drama about sucking dick for reviews and, more importantly, the media's reaction to said dick sucking was the moment that both radical leftists and NRxers coalesced into full-blown movements and found larger audiences. There were a lot of things leading up to it, but nothing else leaked into the real world like that before it.
 
The trans explosion in 2012/13 is something I can't pin down, but there's definite grounds for gamer gate being a kind of turning point. It sounds ridiculous in retrospect, but the drama about sucking dick for reviews and, more importantly, the media's reaction to said dick sucking was the moment that both radical leftists and NRxers coalesced into full-blown movements and found larger audiences. There were a lot of things leading up to it, but nothing else leaked into the real world like that before it.
idk if its gamergate per-sey, i think its a correlation thing - gamergate happened in a year when people became, and continued to get, increasingly Online.

i've got this partially daft theory, gleaned only by the title of 'the medium is the message, that people get influenced by the medium they use, and when you're using computers, you get binary as fuck. 1s and 0s.
You need definates, and you, swimming in a sea of millions of other cunts, need to grasp hard onto your 'identity' which needs to be cast iron.
Its probably also to do with the way the internet has moved rom anonymas spaces, into very individually identitarian platforms.
remember how grossed out by the idea of real names and stuff on facebook people used to be?
in an internet where all the sites and app graphics are made to look the same, where theres no janky little websites, where google logins stretch across every medium, peoples personal brand gets hammered home.
People are existing as Themselves online. They didnt used to.
People also used to have enough character outside of online, before it slotted into every concievable activity, that they didnt need to be obsessed about thier identy cos it didnt need to be categorised and written down.

Mind, this is my wider surface level bullshit theorising. Completely fucking ignored gamergate when it happened-tried to look into it a bit after it wouldnt go away but its painfully wank so still i remain pretty happily ignorant about it.
 
Olly livestreamed today and I haven't watched through all of it yet, but a highlight was when someone asked him: "do you check out negative or toxic spaces like kiwifarms to see how you are percieved by the kind of people you critique?"

He vehemently denied at all reading on here, then immediate tries to discredit KF by saying that he read his friend's threads ("...years ago") and that every time he was mentioned they got everything about him wrong. He protests a bit too much, and he's not a good actor. That and I don't believe that he would have taken down the knickers tweet unless he read on here and/or on /tttt/. After denying going on KF he redirects by bringing up transphobia in his comments section.

(The stream is broken into two parts since it crashed, this is the second part)
 
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Some more highlights from Olly's stream today (part 1) (part 2)

Part 2 8:00- Someone asked him what city in the U.S. he would want to move to, if he had to pick one. Of course he brings up NYC, and mentions how close NYC is to other cities he would like to go to, but he also mentions he's been to Baltimore a lot and has a 'certain fondness for Baltimore'. If I were Contra I would move far away.

He has a hand fan for the entire stream. Massive Contra skinwalking vibes at 13:16 (part 2).

Part 2 21:50- He says he has a "large role" in Django, which will be a 10-part series. This will be the biggest professional role he has had in anything, and he'll be going back in forth between London and Romania for filming since 'he hopes' he'll be in it a lot. So far he's spent 1 month in Romania for filming. He believes this could be a 'career-making moment' for him, since this is such a huge step in his acting career. He said he's shocked he was offered the role since he thought it would be offered to someone who transitioned when they were young.

Part 2 38:40- He mentions how he has seen youtubers, that have been doing youtube for longer than he has, develop major substance abuse problems and emotional problems that they didn't have before youtube. He says he's only seen one youtuber get out of the game clean (and it wasn't Contra). At 43:34 he acts sad and says he "lost a lot of friends to the dark side of youtube", and that he knows people that have really suffered. He also mentions that he'll probably end his channel sometime in the future since he has been doing this for 8 years and fears developing similar issues or getting cancelled.

Part 1 10:15- I'll keep this short but he props up a comment talking about how someone changed their minds on transgenderism being a 'social contagion' and now thinks that children should be taught about transgenderism in schools (before puberty causes physical changes) as a 'learning moment'.

Part 2 3:10- He said he called up Paris Lees at the last minute to do some of the voice acting for his Ignorance video. Paris agreed to do it and Olly says they're friends.

Part 2 57:43- He says his next video will be on metaphysics and will be released early July.

Part 2 1:03:25- He says he will be filming a behind-the-scenes mini-documentary for his Youtube channel.

Part 2 47:43- Kinda slips up and misgenders himself here, when referring to the time he got 'cancelled by association' he says he was cancelled because he was "in a video with another guy who was bad".

He said he was offered to be a featured creator at Vidcon this year. (Sometime during Part 2)
 
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The trans explosion in 2012/13 is something I can't pin down, but there's definite grounds for gamer gate being a kind of turning point. It sounds ridiculous in retrospect, but the drama about sucking dick for reviews and, more importantly, the media's reaction to said dick sucking was the moment that both radical leftists and NRxers coalesced into full-blown movements and found larger audiences. There were a lot of things leading up to it, but nothing else leaked into the real world like that before it.
I think inceldom had some influence. Men who couldnt get women, who felt oppressed but were the wrong colour and sex to be oppressed found a get out of jail free card. They can be oppressed and try to coerce women into sex with them. Just look at the amount of troons trying to shame lesbians into sex with them
 
This made me remember seeing a Vice documentary on ladyboys back in 2010-2011. They took some ladyboys to a shooting range and later got into a bathtub together. Shane Smith was trying to get one of them to show their penis, or so I remember it. I tried to look it up but had no luck finding it anywhere. There is a page for it, but it doesn't have the video, or if it does it's not working for me. I wonder how the tranny community would react to it if they saw it today.

They still got their Jim Goad articles up.

I also have these images from the Vice magazine:
Holy fuck, they were doing shit with Jared Taylor? I can hardly believe that's the same Vice.

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It’s amazing to me that people actually think Olly passes. Contra doesn’t pass either, but with Contra I would know: this person wants me to think they are a woman.

With Olly as pictured above, I would genuinely be confused. Is this a creepy looking guy with long hair? Is he going for some kind of hipster hairdo? Going for the long-haired “Jesus” look? Does he normally have a man bun and he let his hair down? Why are there weird bumps on his chest in the general area but not quite where breasts would be? Why does he keep saying “babe” like a sleazy 1980’s comedian?

I can’t look at Olly without cognitive dissonance and revulsion.

The very first thing he says in Part 1 is that it’s super hot in London so he’s been walking around “in a T-shirt and short shorts” and that “you can do that when you’re a girl, it’s one of the best bits.”
 
Seriously, I think it was Twitter and the other social media platforms that allowed people to form mobs that shouted louder and drew more attention than they ever deserved and for some reason everyone started worrying about what idiots said on Twitter and fear of backlash did the rest.
That was definitely a factor and probably accelerated the "awokening" dramatically. But this alone can't be enough, since most of today's university was most definitely brewed at American (and later Western) universities.

How many news articles from the so called respectable press include multiple embedded tweets from complete randoms with two or three likes and retweets and use them as a basis for... whatever, Its insane, and I’m firmly on the left of the political spectrum,
One of the worst kind of these articles was about how Rita Ora is the most evil person on earth because she's wearing braids and is black passing. Then there were around 20 tweets of random iditos on Twitter who cried about it and that was the entire article. At the end they had three tweets of fat black women who said it's fine and she always looked like that (It's true, she already looked ambigiuous when she was a little girl).

The world ended at the end of the last Mayan b'ak'tun in 2012. This is just the post-apocalyptic fever-dream generated by the last seconds of your extinguished consciousness, the bardo you entered the moment the universe imploded.

Seriously, though, I'd be interested to read any of the articles you mention. Here's my own PT-style sperg on the topic (with the caveat that this is all my own autistic understanding of this stuff and just a heuristic for talking about what's really going on etc.). I think post-industrial Western society is undergoing a sea change in its collective psychology due to the rise of narcissistic ways of being. A lot of psychologists and historians have written about a rise of narcissism over the course of the 20th century (the most well-known summary being Lasch's The Culture of Narcissism [LibGen]. The work of psychoanalyst Heinz Kohut is pretty interesting in this regard. Over the course of his psychoanalytic work in 20th century America, Kohut started to notice that clients were increasingly presenting with a new kind of problem which he hadn't seen much in the old school literature by the old guard (Freud, Adler, Jung) in 19th-century Europe. Kohut says that Freud's theories were based around the idea 'Guilty Man', someone attempting to satisfy their drives (seeking pleasure) against environmental pressures (e.g. society's expectations). Kohut saw as increasingly applicable to his contemporary clients the idea of the Tragic Man, who seeks "to express the pattern of his nuclear self" (The Restoration of the Self [LibGen]). In short, people used to get depressed because they were guilty for not fitting in with society's expectations. In the 20th century, they started to get depressed because they found themselves tragically unable to understand who they were and how to express it.

I think this can also be linked to Trilling's work on Authenticity and Sincerity [LibGen], which was actually discussed in relation to PT by Prof Moeller in this video which was linked earlier in the thread. Pre-Industrial societies valued individuals who fulfilled certain roles. The ideal was to be sincere in how you fulfill your society-given role: a good person was considered a good person because they sincerely fulfilled the role given to them by society (mother/father/physician/farmer, etc.). People got depressed or were considered hysterical/insane when they could not and would not fulfill their role. That was who Freud, Adler, Jung was treating. In the 20th century, led by already markedly more individualistic United States, we see the shift away towards the ideal of authenticity. Now it's not about fulfilling your role but actually the opposite: society's expectations are inhibiting, not inspiring. The quest became to seek the 'true self' hidden beneath the 'mask' you were forced to wear. People got depressed because they felt they had lost touch with this 'true self', they came to therapists to find out 'who they really are'. Sure, that's good stuff: it's healthy to balance the needs of our ego with the needs of our persona. But take this to extremes and you start to have big problems.

It can also be linked to greater changes in Western philosophy and psychology. In Narcissism, the Self, and Society, Reuben Fine writes that this "narcissism of the common man" is a result of philosophers overthrowing absolutism and the Industrial Revolution reducing the relevance of the collective (a lot of right-wing commentators blame Critical Theory for today's ills - but Critical Theory's roots go further back). In short, we've lost touch with the collective and our focus has become so individualistic as to be extreme: we now, as a society, are well towards a worldview where there is no Universal Truth and only individual 'lived-experience' as Truth. This can be seen on what used to be called the right (see: 'alternative facts') and what used to be called the left (see: everything in this thread). The reason right/left has no meaning anymore is because there is no truth to be shared amongst a collective (whether that is a nation or a class or something), only the individual. MY truth, MY experience, MY ethics, MY self, MY hopes, MY triggers, MY choice, ME, ME, fucking ME.

Thanks for the difference sources. I already knew and read Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism' as well as "The Revolt of the Elite". They definitely informed my perspective of what's happening right now. As far as I remember I came into contact with Lasch through the last psychiatrist https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/ since he talked a lot about modern narcissism, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm less familiar with the other authors (except Kohut, even though I don't know too much about him) and will definitely look them up. Western individualism + our hyperconsumerist culture definitely plays a role in our modern-day insanity. Sure, countries like Japan also suffer from several features of modernity like low fertility rates, loneliness, alienation etc. But collectivist cultures in general seem to be less prone to these outbursts of insanity as the West is. I only once travelled to the USA (New York) and Japan (Tokyo and Kyoto) and it was an enormous difference. I really have to say that something was "in the air" in New York, whereas Japan culture felt so cohesive and stable compared to it even though they're in deep trouble as well. It's the same in my mother's native country Bosnia. The country is basically defunct, but the highly collectivist culture (like most South European countries) feels like medicine when I'm going there. You actually feel connected again to your environment and the ego gets less important than your collective self. Don't get me wrong, there are problems with collectivist cultures and I won't pretend that individualism is pure evil and collectivism pure good. The huge Western progress in the last 400 - 500 years was probably only possible due to inhibiting the tribal impulses of people through the church and other institutions. This resulted in England's rampant industrialization and ultimately around the entire world. But I don't see how this can be positive ultimately when civilizations in late-modernity commit suicide at the end. Despite the positive effects of capitalism, I think we do have to admit that probably no force in history had the same capacity of destroying traditional cultures as capitalism did (Not even Mao and Stalin were able to erase their people's history as much as capitalism did). I'm not even arguing from the standpoint of a dumb whignat who romanticizes the past. But Western people (and especially the upper middle class) are so alienated from their own history that they often outright reject their own ethnicity, religion and culture. I''m really not saying that somebody has to be an uberpatriot and pretend to be highly religious, but I just don't see how a culture can exist over several generations when the only thing you identify with is your "gender identity" and what sex toy you like. Whignats aren't really better either, since they identify with some ambiguous term like white that doesn't really inform you about a specific cultural heritage and nowadays is mostly a rejection of the progressive idea of multiculturalism.

Now because you asked about some of the articles (or rather books) I've read. Here a non-exhaustive list of books I've read in the last two years with varying quality:

Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism". You already mentioned this. Also the Last Psychiatrist's blog before he got doxxed. It's pre-woke, but the blog still has topics that are still relevant today.

Mencius Moldbug's/Curtis Yarvin's 'An Open Letter to an Open-Minded progressive' + ''How Dawkins Got Pwned'

Noam Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent".

Angela Nagle's "Kill All Normies".

Ross Douhat's 'The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Own Success'. Was just published last year and I thought it was interesting to read, even though it didn't contain too much new information for me. He basically argues that we've entered some form of stagnation since the late 80's in almost all possible aspects of human civilization: technology, medicine, art, literature and so on. He's got a soft conservative perspective on our era, but he can't be too conservative, because he's still able to write for the NYT.

Everything from James Lindsay: Maybe you already heard from him, since he's gotten somewhat "famous" in the last two years. He drew my attention for the first time around 2018 when he and two colleagues wrote fake study papers that actually got accepted in well-known academic journals like Hypatia. Unfortunately, the hoax was exposed quite early and hence we don't really know how many papers they actually could have gotten through peer-review. So I actually agree a bit with the critics here when they claim that getting some rubbish paper through peer-review might not be enough. However, they're wrong if they claim that it doesn't show anything, since one of the papers really claimed that they've investigated several thousand genitalia of dogs in dog parks and tried to find out how the treatment of the dogs correlates with the toxic masculinity of the male owerns. The conclusion of the paper was that men should actually be disciplined like dogs in order to fight toxic masculinity, sexism and homophobia.
But this isn't really what makes him interesting. At the beginning he was blaming postmodernism for all the modern-day insanity. But it's interesting that his opinions became more "sophisticated" over the years. By tracing the roots of postmodernism he realized, that postmodernism alone can barely be blamed for all problems of today. He went back further and realized that traditional critical theory also played some role. But he didn't stop there and actually thinks now that Hegel lies at the heart of the problem. Hegel's writing was not only very difficult to understand, but also quite ambiguous. In general I'd say he's more nuanced today than some years ago.

Taleb's "Skin in the Game". Not really about wokeness per se, but has many important sections about how our elite lacks skin in the game (they're able to put out abstract and potentially abstract ideas and policies and if they work they get all the praise. However, if they fail they don't have to bear the consequences and just let the public suffer. His most prominent examples are brokers etc. during the economy crisis in 2008 and so-called foreign policy experts who never had to bear the consequences of bad choices that affected the Middle East or other war-torn regions).

I've probably read much more and actually don't remember that those authors informed how I perceive wokeness. But those are the ones that I can remember.

Our favorite philosophy professor actually made a video addressing wokeism being uniquely American in origin. It's later into the video at around 15 minutes and onwards. He attributes this to the American character of "Civil Religion" AKA a united a political and moral vision for the U.S within the populace. It's a concept that's existed since 1776, but has increasingly trended towards social and activist topics throughout U.S history. As well as a unique form of German guilt-pride (Our ancestors were the bad guys and we can never forget what happened and we're still accountable. But also we're good guys because we can admit that.) and the high level of individualism especially present in America. Which pretty aptly explains it in my opinion. So for people looking for a slippery slope to blame modern day wokeism on, your options are the creation of the United States. Or if you're feeling particularly bold, the origin of western individualism in the pre-Roman Empire city states of the Mediterranean

I agree and also stated similiar opinions in the past. Proto-wokeness probably could have never been created in any other country, especially since many Americans (and also the English to a lesser extent imo) still seem to bear some form of puritanism out of the past. Unfortunately the rest of the world will not be spared of the insanity since the USA's the cultural centre of the world and anything that gets mainstream in the USA will sooner or later spread (and it already did). On the other hand it's obvious to me that non-English countries are more difficult to be colonized by those ideas than countries like Australia. The woke ideology is also spreading in Switzerland especially since George Floyd. But compared to countries like England nuance is still more tolerated here. Even though our state funded radio and TV station gave the insane freaks a platform, they also gave platforms to people who oppose it. They even invited a female philosopher on some weeks ago that claimed that wokeness is a "hollow and cheap commodification of identity". France also seems to be more hostile to it and someone (was it Macron or somebody close to him?) called it "cultural imperialism" and they aren't even wrong. US and English journalists really thought that they were better informed about what's happening in France than the French citizens themselves. Even one of the most prominent figure Sahra Wagenknecht in the most left-wing party in Germany ("Die Linke" which literally means "The Left" in English) declared a holy war against wokeness in a new book.

Gavin McInnes was one of the co-founders, which is unbelievable today but back then it made sense that the godfather of hipsters was behind Vice. He left in 2008, the 2012-2013 shift must have been due to some silicon valley money entering the picture or something.

I was really shocked when I heard this for the first time. This was around 2018 and I was totally used to the woketrolling of Vice. It was only after realizing that Gavin McInnes was one of the co-founders that I remembered again how much Vice was an edgy hipster racist magazine. I wouldn't be surprised if the magazine just sold out. I'm not sure if Gavin himself ever said something about this.


I don't want to say "gamergate" because it's so reductive, but it's hard to ignore that the event spilled over into real life. Twitter is now like the Matrix - you get cancelled online, you get cancelled in real life. Harassment, brigading, reporting, "virtue signaling", etc all the things that would make people older than 30 go "jesse what the fuck are you talking about?" already existed online for years, but GG made it "real" and now a 50-60 year old politician has to unironically play by Twitter's rules IRL or he gets in trouble with the mob.
I really hate subscribing to the idea that gamergate caused all this shit but its really starting to look more and more like it.

Christ, I totally forgot about gamergate. It's already somewhat "nostalgic" to me because it seems so long ago. But as you've said, gamergate might really be one of the first instances where an online "movement/ideology" spilled over into real life. And it probably didn't stop there. Around 2016 I was probably one of the first person who heard about Jordan Peterson in my country after this incident at his university. Never would I've thought that he'll write a book that becomes a bestseller around the world and that my ex-friends (They literally excommunicated me because I said modern feminism is elitist) will actually talk about him in real life some years later. For some time I really tried to ignore this insanity and told myself that it won't get as bad in my country as in the USA. But now this just seems naive and I should have known better.

One could even argue that Ollie's troon out is at the end a result of gamergate. Some idea of a timeline:

Gamergame starts => People like Sargon of Akkad and Jim become quite known in this community => Gamergate becomes the broader anti-SJW online community => There is a crosspolination of different ideologies over time. Some people who started as fat neckbeards who started ranting about video games suddenly thought that they had to save the white race => Sagon of Akkad and other prominent figures of gamergate or the anti-SJW weren't cutting it anymore. People have in general become more radicalized and don't identify with the "vision" of soft liberalism like Sargon anymore => Begin of internet bloodsports with Jean-François Gariépy and Andy Warski as the retarded royal family ruling about their newly conquered land on the internet => Internet bloodsports imploded => Many people who started in gamergate, became anti-SJWs and at the end internet whignats might have become shocked how far they were radicalized in an online movement. This is the time when many left-wing/SJW channels had the opportunity to actually grow and many channels like Shaun and Jen, Hbomberguy and our favourite tranny of today, Hontrapoints, were able to grow their channels. This was the begin of the decline of anti-SJW YouTube that was so big after Trump's victory. I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't all organic and some organizations actually helped to grow those channels. Anyway, over the years we saw the creation of many new BreadTube channels (like Vaush and Xanderhal) and many anti-SJWs who turned into SJWs themselves or became more sympathetic to them ("Hanna" and Jake, The Amazing Atheist, Shoeonhead, Theryn and now even brain dead Hunter Avallone) => Ollie also jumped on the band wagon and was able to grow his channel as well. He came into contact with ContraPoints and due to his sick narcissism and weird fetisihization of Contra he started to mould his content and "aesthetics" more and more to fit Nyk's content => Ollie internalized his fetishization of Contra so much during the WuFlu pandemic that he actually thinks now that he's somehow Contra and a tranny as well.


This made me remember seeing a Vice documentary on ladyboys back in 2010-2011. They took some ladyboys to a shooting range and later got into a bathtub together. Shane Smith was trying to get one of them to show their penis, or so I remember it. I tried to look it up but had no luck finding it anywhere. There is a page for it, but it doesn't have the video, or if it does it's not working for me. I wonder how the tranny community would react to it if they saw it today.

They still got their Jim Goad articles up.

I also have these images from the Vice magazine:

I'm sometimes not sure anymore how those articles you shared would have been received more than 10 years ago. As far as I can remember I guess some people who'd have thought they were hilarious, whereas other people would have deemed them as distateful. But writing such articles today? You'd be branded as far right immediately.
As for the Ladyboys, I also remember a documentary about them, but I'm not sure if it was Vice. My clearest memories are for a mean Japanese woman who worked for them and I also remember how Vice once made a documentary about former Yugoslavian countries (mostly Serbia) around 2011. It wasn't all too mean, but the guy who they sent to Serbia was so clearly irritated by the Serbian mentality and imo perceived Serbs as a mixture of Russian drunkards and Middle Eastern despots.


Im kind of glad i missed gamergate, i sort of started to see all this crap at the tail end of the atheist thing going on around 2017. mainly watching hugo and jake, who later became the troon and cornhole virtue signaller

Yeah, I also missed most of it. Maybe it's because I'm a homosexual, but it was just very cringey to me that a flock of mostly heterosexual men declared a jihad against invading women and trannies in the video game industry, but wouldn't have stood up for almost anything else. I really just don't want children in the future to have to learn about moments like "the gamamergate revolt against corrupt video game journalists" as important key moments in history.


Holy fuck, they were doing shit with Jared Taylor? I can hardly believe that's the same Vice.

I still remember when Vaush watched a video about RedIce TV (I think?) and looked up an old Vice article that talked about myths about slavery. Since it's Vice, Vaush thought that it will debunk whignat slavery talking points. Little did he know (and neither did I) that this article was from pre-woke Vice and actually was an apologist article about slavery: https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5

I'm surprised that they actually keep some of those articles still up, but they've always got a disclaimer for articles that are older than 5 years:

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With Olly as pictured above, I would genuinely be confused. Is this a creepy looking guy with long hair? Is he going for some kind of hipster hairdo? Going for the long-haired “Jesus” look? Does he normally have a man bun and he let his hair down? Why are there weird bumps on his chest in the general area but not quite where breasts would be? Why does he keep saying “babe” like a sleazy 1980’s comedian?

I know this is already an old take now, but most trannies just don't pass and look like freaks. The only ones who think that a tranny is passing is other trannies and allies who have to pretend that their friends pass. The reason why I was more pro-trans around 2015 is because I thought that all trannies are mostly passing people and just trying to mind their own business. Over the years I realized that most trannies are literal screaming freaks in a tutu, wearing a wig and jerking off in front of a mirror while filming themselves. And maybe it's the mainstreaming of trannies, but it seems that they're becoming uglier and uglier with every passing year. Now trannies are mostly failed heterosexual men with autism who think that jerking off to anime characters makes you a woman. Or in one picture:

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Edit: Just saw a Ted talk from Gavin McInnes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fUhMIzvpQk
This was still in 2014 and really shows how fast wokeness spread.
 
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That was definitely a factor and probably accelerated the "awokening" dramatically. But this alone can't be enough, since most of today's university was most definitely brewed at American (and later Western) universities.


One of the worst kind of these articles was about how Rita Ora is the most evil person on earth because she's wearing braids and is black passing. Then there were around 20 tweets of random iditos on Twitter who cried about it and that was the entire article. At the end they had three tweets of fat black women who said it's fine and she always looked like that (It's true, she already looked ambigiuous when she was a little girl).



Thanks for the difference sources. I already knew and read Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism' as well as "The Revolt of the Elite". They definitely informed my perspective of what's happening right now. As far as I remember I came into contact with Lasch through the last psychiatrist https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/ since he talked a lot about modern narcissism, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm less familiar with the other authors (except Kohut, even though I don't know too much about him) and will definitely look them up. Western individualism + our hyperconsumerist culture definitely plays a role in our modern-day insanity. Sure, countries like Japan also suffer from several features of modernity like low fertility rates, loneliness, alienation etc. But collectivist cultures in general seem to be less prone to these outbursts of insanity as the West is. I only once travelled to the USA (New York) and Japan (Tokyo and Kyoto) and it was an enormous difference. I really have to say that something was "in the air" in New York, whereas Japan culture felt so cohesive and stable compared to it even though they're in deep trouble as well. It's the same in my mother's native country Bosnia. The country is basically defunct, but the highly collectivist culture (like most South European countries) feels like medicine when I'm going there. You actually feel connected again to your environment and the ego gets less important than your collective self. Don't get me wrong, there are problems with collectivist cultures and I won't pretend that individualism is pure evil and collectivism pure good. The huge Western progress in the last 400 - 500 years was probably only possible due to inhibiting the tribal impulses of people through the church and other institutions. This resulted in England's rampant industrialization and ultimately around the entire world. But I don't see how this can be positive ultimately when civilizations in late-modernity commit suicide at the end. Despite the positive effects of capitalism, I think we do have to admit that probably no force in history had the same capacity of destroying traditional cultures as capitalism did (Not even Mao and Stalin were able to erase their people's history as much as capitalism did). I'm not even arguing from the standpoint of a dumb whignat who romanticizes the past. But Western people (and especially the upper middle class) are so alienated from their own history that they often outright reject their own ethnicity, religion and culture. I''m really not saying that somebody has to be an uberpatriot and pretend to be highly religious, but I just don't see how a culture can exist over several generations when the only thing you identify with is your "gender identity" and what sex toy you like. Whignats aren't really better either, since they identify with some ambiguous term like white that doesn't really inform you about a specific cultural heritage and nowadays is mostly a rejection of the progressive idea of multiculturalism.

Now because you asked about some of the articles (or rather books) I've read. Here a non-exhaustive list of books I've read in the last two years with varying quality:

Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism". You already mentioned this. Also the Last Psychiatrist's blog before he got doxxed. It's pre-woke, but the blog still has topics that are still relevant today.

Mencius Moldbug's/Curtis Yarvin's 'An Open Letter to an Open-Minded progressive' + ''How Dawkins Got Pwned'

Noam Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent".

Angela Nagle's "Kill All Normies".

Ross Douhat's 'The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Own Success'. Was just published last year and I thought it was interesting to read, even though it didn't contain too much new information for me. He basically argues that we've entered some form of stagnation since the late 80's in almost all possible aspects of human civilization: technology, medicine, art, literature and so on. He's got a soft conservative perspective on our era, but he can't be too conservative, because he's still able to write for the NYT.

Everything from James Lindsay: Maybe you already heard from him, since he's gotten somewhat "famous" in the last two years. He drew my attention for the first time around 2018 when he and two colleagues wrote fake study papers that actually got accepted in well-known academic journals like Hypatia. Unfortunately, the hoax was exposed quite early and hence we don't really know how many papers they actually could have gotten through peer-review. So I actually agree a bit with the critics here when they claim that getting some rubbish paper through peer-review might not be enough. However, they're wrong if they claim that it doesn't show anything, since one of the papers really claimed that they've investigated several thousand genitalia of dogs in dog parks and tried to find out how the treatment of the dogs correlates with the toxic masculinity of the male owerns. The conclusion of the paper was that men should actually be disciplined like dogs in order to fight toxic masculinity, sexism and homophobia.
But this isn't really what makes him interesting. At the beginning he was blaming postmodernism for all the modern-day insanity. But it's interesting that his opinions became more "sophisticated" over the years. By tracing the roots of postmodernism he realized, that postmodernism alone can barely be blamed for all problems of today. He went back further and realized that traditional critical theory also played some role. But he didn't stop there and actually thinks now that Hegel lies at the heart of the problem. Hegel's writing was not only very difficult to understand, but also quite ambiguous. In general I'd say he's more nuanced today than some years ago.

Taleb's "Skin in the Game". Not really about wokeness per se, but has many important sections about how our elite lacks skin in the game (they're able to put out abstract and potentially abstract ideas and policies and if they work they get all the praise. However, if they fail they don't have to bear the consequences and just let the public suffer. His most prominent examples are brokers etc. during the economy crisis in 2008 and so-called foreign policy experts who never had to bear the consequences of bad choices that affected the Middle East or other war-torn regions).

I've probably read much more and actually don't remember that those authors informed how I perceive wokeness. But those are the ones that I can remember.



I agree and also stated similiar opinions in the past. Proto-wokeness probably could have never been created in any other country, especially since many Americans (and also the English to a lesser extent imo) still seem to bear some form of puritanism out of the past. Unfortunately the rest of the world will not be spared of the insanity since the USA's the cultural centre of the world and anything that gets mainstream in the USA will sooner or later spread (and it already did). On the other hand it's obvious to me that non-English countries are more difficult to be colonized by those ideas than countries like Australia. The woke ideology is also spreading in Switzerland especially since George Floyd. But compared to countries like England nuance is still more tolerated here. Even though our state funded radio and TV station gave the insane freaks a platform, they also gave platforms to people who oppose it. They even invited a female philosopher on some weeks ago that claimed that wokeness is a "hollow and cheap commodification of identity". France also seems to be more hostile to it and someone (was it Macron or somebody close to him?) called it "cultural imperialism" and they aren't even wrong. US and English journalists really thought that they were better informed about what's happening in France than the French citizens themselves. Even one of the most prominent figure Sahra Wagenknecht in the most left-wing party in Germany ("Die Linke" which literally means "The Left" in English) declared a holy war against wokeness in a new book.



I was really shocked when I heard this for the first time. This was around 2018 and I was totally used to the woketrolling of Vice. It was only after realizing that Gavin McInnes was one of the co-founders that I remembered again how much Vice was an edgy hipster racist magazine. I wouldn't be surprised if the magazine just sold out. I'm not sure if Gavin himself ever said something about this.





Christ, I totally forgot about gamergate. It's already somewhat "nostalgic" to me because it seems so long ago. But as you've said, gamergate might really be one of the first instances where an online "movement/ideology" spilled over into real life. And it probably didn't stop there. Around 2016 I was probably one of the first person who heard about Jordan Peterson in my country after this incident at his university. Never would I've thought that he'll write a book that becomes a bestseller around the world and that my ex-friends (They literally excommunicated me because I said modern feminism is elitist) will actually talk about him in real life some years later. For some time I really tried to ignore this insanity and told myself that it won't get as bad in my country as in the USA. But now this just seems naive and I should have known better.

One could even argue that Ollie's troon out is at the end a result of gamergate. Some idea of a timeline:

Gamergame starts => People like Sargon of Akkad and Jim become quite known in this community => Gamergate becomes the broader anti-SJW online community => There is a crosspolination of different ideologies over time. Some people who started as fat neckbeards who started ranting about video games suddenly thought that they had to save the white race => Sagon of Akkad and other prominent figures of gamergate or the anti-SJW weren't cutting it anymore. People have in general become more radicalized and don't identify with the "vision" of soft liberalism like Sargon anymore => Begin of internet bloodsports with Jean-François Gariépy and Andy Warski as the retarded royal family ruling about their newly conquered land on the internet => Internet bloodsports imploded => Many people who started in gamergate, became anti-SJWs and at the end internet whignats might have become shocked how far they were radicalized in an online movement. This is the time when many left-wing/SJW channels had the opportunity to actually grow and many channels like Shaun and Jen, Hbomberguy and our favourite tranny of today, Hontrapoints, were able to grow their channels. This was the begin of the decline of anti-SJW YouTube that was so big after Trump's victory. I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't all organic and some organizations actually helped to grow those channels. Anyway, over the years we saw the creation of many new BreadTube channels (like Vaush and Xanderhal) and many anti-SJWs who turned into SJWs themselves or became more sympathetic to them ("Hanna" and Jake, The Amazing Atheist, Shoeonhead, Theryn and now even brain dead Hunter Avallone) => Ollie also jumped on the band wagon and was able to grow his channel as well. He came into contact with ContraPoints and due to his sick narcissism and weird fetisihization of Contra he started to mould his content and "aesthetics" more and more to fit Nyk's content => Ollie internalized his fetishization of Contra so much during the WuFlu pandemic that he actually thinks now that he's somehow Contra and a tranny as well.




I'm sometimes not sure anymore how those articles you shared would have been received more than 10 years ago. As far as I can remember I guess some people who'd have thought they were hilarious, whereas other people would have deemed them as distateful. But writing such articles today? You'd be branded as far right immediately.
As for the Ladyboys, I also remember a documentary about them, but I'm not sure if it was Vice. My clearest memories are for a mean Japanese woman who worked for them and I also remember how Vice once made a documentary about former Yugoslavian countries (mostly Serbia) around 2011. It wasn't all too mean, but the guy who they sent to Serbia was so clearly irritated by the Serbian mentality and imo perceived Serbs as a mixture of Russian drunkards and Middle Eastern despots.




Yeah, I also missed most of it. Maybe it's because I'm a homosexual, but it was just very cringey to me that a flock of mostly heterosexual men declared a jihad against invading women and trannies in the video game industry, but wouldn't have stood up for almost anything else. I really just don't want children in the future to have to learn about moments like "the gamamergate revolt against corrupt video game journalists" as important key moments in history.




I still remember when Vaush watched a video about RedIce TV (I think?) and looked up an old Vice article that talked about myths about slavery. Since it's Vice, Vaush thought that it will debunk whignat slavery talking points. Little did he know (and neither did I) that this article was from pre-woke Vice and actually was an apologist article about slavery: https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5

I'm surprised that they actually keep some of those articles still up, but they've always got a disclaimer for articles that are older than 5 years:

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I know this is already an old take now, but most trannies just don't pass and look like freaks. The only ones who think that a tranny is passing is other trannies and allies who have to pretend that their friends pass. The reason why I was more pro-trans around 2015 is because I thought that all trannies are mostly passing people and just trying to mind their own business. Over the years I realized that most trannies are literal screaming freaks in a tutu, wearing a wig and jerking off in front of a mirror while filming themselves. And maybe it's the mainstreaming of trannies, but it seems that they're becoming uglier and uglier with every passing year. Now trannies are mostly failed heterosexual men with autism who think that jerking off to anime characters makes you a woman. Or in one picture:

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I just today found a massive excerpt (archive) from some book called Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal posted on a news sites that analyzes what they deem the 4 sides of the American Culture War. It shits on them all pretty equally and divides them into "Smart America" (elite and highly educated that are disconnected from the middle e class) "Free America" (Uber Lobertarians) "Real America" (Nationalist rural America) and "(Un)Just America" (Woke hoards) It might seem bias at first but it ends up shitting on all sides pretty equally and is actually the harshest on the (Un)Just American side. I'd encourage any one to read it all, but I'll just post the (Un)Just America excerpt portion.

In 2014, American character changed.

A large and influential generation came of age in the shadow of accumulating failures by the ruling class—especially by business and foreign-policy elites. This new generation had little faith in ideas that previous ones were raised on: All men are created equal. Work hard and you can be anything. Knowledge is power. Democracy and capitalism are the best systems—the only systems. America is a nation of immigrants. America is the leader of the free world.

My generation told our children’s generation a story of slow but steady progress. America had slavery (as well as genocide, internment, and other crimes) to answer for, original sin if there ever was such a thing—but it had answered, and with the civil-rights movement, the biggest barriers to equality were removed. If anyone doubted that the country was becoming a more perfect union, the election of a Black president who loved to use that phrase proved it. “Rosa sat so Martin could walk so Barack could run so we could all fly”—that was the story in a sentence, and it was so convincing to a lot of people in my generation, myself included, that we were slow to notice how little it meant to a lot of people under 35. Or we heard but didn’t understand and dismissed them. We told them they had no idea what the crime rate was like in 1994. Smart Americans pointed to affirmative action and children’s health insurance. Free Americans touted enterprise zones and school vouchers.

Of course the kids didn’t buy it. In their eyes “progress” looked like a thin upper layer of Black celebrities and professionals, who carried the weight of society’s expectations along with its prejudices, and below them, lousy schools, overflowing prisons, dying neighborhoods. The parents didn’t really buy it either, but we had learned to ignore injustice on this scale as adults ignore so much just to get through. If anyone could smell out the bad faith of parents, it was their children, stressed-out laborers in the multigenerational family business of success, bearing the psychological burdens of the meritocracy. Many of them entered the workforce, loaded with debt, just as the Great Recession closed off opportunities and the reality of planetary destruction bore down on them. No wonder their digital lives seemed more real to them than the world of their parents. No wonder they had less sex than previous generations. No wonder the bland promises of middle-aged liberals left them furious.

Then came one video after another of police killing or hurting unarmed Black people. Then came the election of an openly racist president. These were conditions for a generational revolt.

Call this narrative “Just America.” It’s another rebellion from below. As Real America breaks down the ossified libertarianism of Free America, Just America assails the complacent meritocracy of Smart America. It does the hard, essential thing that the other three narratives avoid, that white Americans have avoided throughout history. It forces us to see the straight line that runs from slavery and segregation to the second-class life so many Black Americans live today—the betrayal of equality that has always been the country’s great moral shame, the heart of its social problems.

But Just America has a dissonant sound, for in its narrative, justice and America never rhyme. A more accurate name would be Unjust America, in a spirit of attack rather than aspiration. For Just Americans, the country is less a project of self-government to be improved than a site of continuous wrong to be battled. In some versions of the narrative, the country has no positive value at all—it can never be made better.

In the same way that libertarian ideas had been lying around for Americans to pick up in the stagflated 1970s, young people coming of age in the disillusioned 2000s were handed powerful ideas about social justice to explain their world. The ideas came from different intellectual traditions: the Frankfurt School in 1920s Germany, French postmodernist thinkers of the 1960s and ’70s, radical feminism, Black studies. They converged and recombined in American university classrooms, where two generations of students were taught to think as critical theorists.

Critical theory upends the universal values of the Enlightenment: objectivity, rationality, science, equality, freedom of the individual. These liberal values are an ideology by which one dominant group subjugates another. All relations are power relations, everything is political, and claims of reason and truth are social constructs that maintain those in power. Unlike orthodox Marxism, critical theory is concerned with language and identity more than with material conditions. In place of objective reality, critical theorists place subjectivity at the center of analysis to show how supposedly universal terms exclude oppressed groups and help the powerful rule over them. Critical theorists argue that the Enlightenment, including the American founding, carried the seeds of modern racism and imperialism.

The term identity politics was born in 1977, when a group of Black lesbian feminists called the Combahee River Collective released a statement defining their work as self-liberation from the racism and sexism of “white male rule”: “The major systems of oppression are interlocking. The synthesis of these oppressions creates the conditions of our lives … This focusing upon our own oppression is embodied in the concept of identity politics. We believe that the most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of our own identity.” The statement helped set in motion a way of thinking that places the struggle for justice within the self. This thinking appeals not to reason or universal values but to the authority of identity, the “lived experience” of the oppressed. The self is not a rational being that can persuade and be persuaded by other selves, because reason is another form of power.

The historical demand of the oppressed is inclusion as equal citizens in all the institutions of American life. With identity politics, the demand became different—not just to enlarge the institutions, but to change them profoundly. When Martin Luther King Jr., at the March on Washington, called on America to “rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,’ ” he was demanding equal rights within the framework of the Enlightenment. (In later years, his view of the American creed grew more complicated.) But in identity politics, equality refers to groups, not individuals, and demands action to redress disparate outcomes among groups—in other words, equity, which often amounts to new forms of discrimination. In practice, identity politics inverts the old hierarchy of power into a new one: bottom rail on top. The fixed lens of power makes true equality, based on common humanity, impossible.

And what is oppression? Not unjust laws—the most important ones were overturned by the civil-rights movement and its successors—or even unjust living conditions. The focus on subjectivity moves oppression from the world to the self and its pain—psychological trauma, harm from speech and texts, the sense of alienation that members of minority groups feel in their constant exposure to a dominant culture. A whole system of oppression can exist within a single word.

By the turn of the millennium, these ideas were nearly ubiquitous in humanities and social-science departments. Embracing them had become an important credential for admittance into sectors of the professorate. The ideas gave scholars an irresistible power, intellectual and moral, to criticize institutions in which they were comfortably embedded. In turn, these scholars formed the worldview of young Americans educated by elite universities to thrive in the meritocracy, students trained from early childhood to do what it takes to succeed professionally and socially. “It is a curious thing, but the ideas of one generation become the instincts of the next,” D. H. Lawrence wrote. The ideas of critical theorists became the instincts of Millennials. It wasn’t necessary to have read Foucault or studied under Judith Butler to become adept with terms like centered, marginalized, privilege, and harm; to believe that words can be a form of violence; to close down a general argument with a personal truth (“You wouldn’t understand,” or just “I’m offended”); to keep your mouth shut when identity disqualified you from speaking. Millions of young Americans were steeped in the assumptions of critical theory and identity politics without knowing the concepts. Everyone sensed their power. Not everyone resisted the temptation to abuse it.

Just America emerged as a national narrative in 2014. That summer, in Ferguson, Missouri, the police killing of a Black 18-year-old, whose body was left to lie in the street for hours, came in the context of numerous incidents, more and more of them caught on video, of Black people assaulted and killed by white police officers who faced no obvious threat. And those videos, widely distributed on social media and viewed millions of times, symbolized the wider injustices that still confronted Black Americans in prisons and neighborhoods and schools and workplaces—in the sixth year of the first Black presidency. The optimistic story of incremental progress and expanding opportunity in a multiracial society collapsed, seemingly overnight. The incident in Ferguson ignited a protest movement in cities and campuses around the country.

What is the narrative of Just America? It sees American society not as mixed and fluid, but as a fixed hierarchy, like a caste system. An outpouring of prizewinning books, essays, journalism, films, poetry, pop music, and scholarly work looks to the history of slavery and segregation in order to understand the present—as if to say, with Faulkner, “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.” The most famous of this work, The New York Times Magazine’s 1619 Project, declared its ambition to retell the entire story of America as the story of slavery and its consequences, tracing contemporary phenomena to their historical antecedents in racism, sometimes in disregard of contradictory facts. Any talk of progress is false consciousness—even “hurtful.” Whatever the actions of this or that individual, whatever new laws and practices come along, the hierarchical position of “whiteness” over “Blackness” is eternal.

Here is the revolutionary power of the narrative: What had been considered, broadly speaking, American history (or literature, philosophy, classics, even math) is explicitly defined as white, and therefore supremacist. What was innocent by default suddenly finds itself on trial, every idea is cross-examined, and nothing else can get done until the case is heard.

Just America isn’t concerned only with race. The most radical version of the narrative lashes together the oppression of all groups in an encompassing hell of white supremacy, patriarchy, homophobia, transphobia, plutocracy, environmental destruction, and drones—America as a unitary malignant force beyond any other evil on Earth. The end of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Between the World and Me, published in 2015 and hugely influential in establishing the narrative of Just America, interprets global warming as the planet’s cosmic revenge on white people for their greed and cruelty.

Read: Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “Letter to My Son”

There are too many things that Just America can’t talk about for the narrative to get at the hardest problems. It can’t talk about the complex causes of poverty. Structural racism—ongoing disadvantages that Black people suffer as a result of policies and institutions over the centuries—is real. But so is individual agency, and in the Just America narrative, it doesn’t exist. The narrative can’t talk about the main source of violence in Black neighborhoods, which is young Black men, not police. The push to “defund the police” during the protests over George Floyd’s murder was resisted by many local Black citizens, who wanted better, not less, policing. Just America can’t deal with the stubborn divide between Black and white students in academic assessments. The mild phrase achievement gap has been banished, not only because it implies that Black parents and children have some responsibility, but also because, according to anti-racist ideology, any disparity is by definition racist. Get rid of assessments, and you’ll end the racism along with the gap.

I’m exaggerating the suddenness of this new narrative, but not by much. Things changed astonishingly quickly after 2014, when Just America escaped campuses and pervaded the wider culture. First, the “softer” professions gave way. Book publishers released a torrent of titles on race and identity, which year after year won the most prestigious prizes. Newspapers and magazines known for aspiring to reportorial objectivity shifted toward an activist model of journalism, adopting new values and assumptions along with a brand-new language: systemic racism, white supremacy, white privilege, anti-Blackness, marginalized communities, decolonization, toxic masculinity. Similar changes came to arts organizations, philanthropies, scientific institutions, technology monopolies, and finally corporate America and the Democratic Party. The incontestable principle of inclusion drove the changes, which smuggled in more threatening features that have come to characterize identity politics and social justice: monolithic group thought, hostility to open debate, and a taste for moral coercion.

Just America has dramatically changed the way Americans think, talk, and act, but not the conditions in which they live. It reflects the fracturing distrust that defines our culture: Something is deeply wrong; our society is unjust; our institutions are corrupt. If the narrative helps to create a more humane criminal-justice system and bring Black Americans into the conditions of full equality, it will live up to its promise. But the grand systemic analysis usually ends in small symbolic politics. In some ways, Just America resembles Real America and has entered the same dubious conflict from the other side. The disillusionment with liberal capitalism that gave rise to identity politics has also produced a new authoritarianism among many young white men. Just and Real America share a skepticism, from opposing points of view, about the universal ideas of the founding documents and the promise of America as a multi-everything democracy.

But another way to understand Just America is in terms of class. Why does so much of its work take place in human-resources departments, reading lists, and awards ceremonies? In the summer of 2020, the protesters in the American streets were disproportionately Millennials with advanced degrees making more than $100,000 a year. Just America is a narrative of the young and well educated, which is why it continually misreads or ignores the Black and Latino working classes. The fate of this generation of young professionals has been cursed by economic stagnation and technological upheaval. The jobs their parents took for granted have become much harder to get, which makes the meritocratic rat race even more crushing. Law, medicine, academia, media—the most desirable professions—have all contracted. The result is a large population of overeducated, underemployed young people living in metropolitan areas.

The historian Peter Turchin coined the phrase elite overproduction to describe this phenomenon. He found that a constant source of instability and violence in previous eras of history, such as the late Roman empire and the French Wars of Religion, was the frustration of social elites for whom there were not enough jobs. Turchin expects this country to undergo a similar breakdown in the coming decade. Just America attracts surplus elites and channels most of their anger at the narrative to which they’re closest—Smart America. The social-justice movement is a repudiation of meritocracy, a rebellion against the system handed down from parents to children. Students at elite universities no longer believe they deserve their coveted slots. Activists in New York want to abolish the tests that determine entry into the city’s most competitive high schools (where Asian American children now predominate). In some niche areas, such as literary magazines and graduate schools of education, the idea of merit as separate from identity no longer exists.

But most Just Americans still belong to the meritocracy and have no desire to give up its advantages. They can’t escape its status anxieties—they’ve only transferred them to the new narrative. They want to be the first to adopt its expert terminology. In the summer of 2020, people suddenly began saying “BIPOC” as if they’d been doing it all their lives. (Black, Indigenous, and people of color was a way to uncouple groups that had been aggregated under people of color and give them their rightful place in the moral order, with people from Bogotá and Karachi and Seoul bringing up the rear.) The whole atmosphere of Just America at its most constricted—the fear of failing to say the right thing, the urge to level withering fire on minor faults—is a variation on the fierce competitive spirit of Smart America. Only the terms of accreditation have changed. And because achievement is a fragile basis for moral identity, when meritocrats are accused of racism, they have no solid faith in their own worth to stand on.

The rules in Just America are different, and they have been quickly learned by older liberals following a long series of defenestrations at The New York Times, Poetry magazine, Georgetown University, the Guggenheim Museum, and other leading institutions. The parameters of acceptable expression are a lot narrower than they used to be. A written thought can be a form of violence. The loudest public voices in a controversy will prevail. Offending them can cost your career. Justice is power. These new rules are not based on liberal values; they are post-liberal.

Just America’s origins in theory, its intolerant dogma, and its coercive tactics remind me of 1930s left-wing ideology. Liberalism as white supremacy recalls the Communist Party’s attack on social democracy as “social fascism.” Just American aesthetics are the new socialist realism.

The dead end of Just America is a tragedy. This country has had great movements for justice in the past and badly needs one now. But in order to work, it has to throw its arms out wide. It has to tell a story in which most of us can see ourselves, and start on a path that most of us want to follow.

All four of the narratives I’ve described emerged from America’s failure to sustain and enlarge the middle-class democracy of the postwar years. They all respond to real problems. Each offers a value that the others need and lacks ones that the others have. Free America celebrates the energy of the unencumbered individual. Smart America respects intelligence and welcomes change. Real America commits itself to a place and has a sense of limits. Just America demands a confrontation with what the others want to avoid. They rise from a single society, and even in one as polarized as ours they continually shape, absorb, and morph into one another. But their tendency is also to divide us, pitting tribe against tribe. These divisions impoverish each narrative into a cramped and ever more extreme version of itself.

All four narratives are also driven by a competition for status that generates fierce anxiety and resentment. They all anoint winners and losers. In Free America, the winners are the makers, and the losers are the takers who want to drag the rest down in perpetual dependency on a smothering government. In Smart America, the winners are the credentialed meritocrats, and the losers are the poorly educated who want to resist inevitable progress. In Real America, the winners are the hardworking folk of the white Christian heartland, and the losers are treacherous elites and contaminating others who want to destroy the country. In Just America, the winners are the marginalized groups, and the losers are the dominant groups that want to go on dominating.

I don’t much want to live in the republic of any of them.

It’s common these days to hear people talk about sick America, dying America, the end of America. The same kinds of things were said in 1861, in 1893, in 1933, and in 1968. The sickness, the death, is always a moral condition. Maybe this comes from our Puritan heritage. If we are dying, it can’t be from natural causes. It must be a prolonged act of suicide, which is a form of murder.

I don’t think we are dying. We have no choice but to live together—we’re quarantined as fellow citizens. Knowing who we are lets us see what kinds of change are possible. Countries are not social-science experiments. They have organic qualities, some positive, some destructive, that can’t be wished away. Our passion for equality, the individualism it produces, the hustle for money, the love of novelty, the attachment to democracy, the distrust of authority and intellect—these won’t disappear. A way forward that tries to evade or crush them on the road to some free, smart, real, or just utopia will never arrive and instead will run into a strong reaction. But a way forward that tries to make us Equal Americans, all with the same rights and opportunities—the only basis for shared citizenship and self-government—is a road that connects our past and our future.

Meanwhile, we remain trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives—Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on.

the extreme TLDR is that George Packer agrees that 2014 (the year Gamergate happened) was the year that everything changed. Which he attributes to a combination of the new youth of Smart America (out of touch collage grads from privileged families) having far less opportunity for employment, housing, income, etc creating a disillusioned generation. That was effectively turned into an anti-american group because of the other perceived injustices that America dolled out to them and the world. In the form of all the videos of cops killing black people and America's forever wars. This was in addition to Gen X run education teaching Critical Theory which questions and encourages the foundations of modern society to Millennials and onward. The timespan in which this started allowed various intellectual collage positions to be filled by these new members of Smart America until they hit critical mass. All while in addition having a perceived ineffectiveness of the American government and its branches shoved in their face in a display that made their lives worse and the lives of those around them. Which led to a perfect storm of anti-american American identity. That America was evil for all it had done in the past and what it was doing to them and that the country would never ever change.

I really encourage any and all to read the whole excerpt. It repeats a lot of shit back to you that you probably already know. And again, seems bias at first. But it really just trashes every single side and analyzes how each side was and why they're what they've become now. As well as the where the sudden explosion of wokeness came from in America.
 
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