Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Iron Jaguar]

Those are not parents. The people doing this to their children have many names, like incubator, egg/sperm donor, enabler, special child's best friend, but never a parent.

You left out "monster", "evil piece of shit" and "pedophile".

 

[cuddle striker]

My question was about the change in used pronouns, it had nothing to do with "free speech ethos of the Farms" or my opinion on preferred or neo-pronouns. I am not calling for the use of certain pronouns either. It's just odd that recently (pertaining Jazz) the female pronouns are being used quite regularly, whereas it almost always used to be male pronouns. After all, the "free speech ethos of the Farms" was in place when this thread was created. I wondered what brought about this change, that's all.

it really doesn't matter, for all practical functions, jazz is not gendered. eunuch comes close, but the puberty blockers mean they're even less developed than that.

any pronouns will be equally inaccurate at this point. pretty sad really.

 

[all4mom2]

I would question the "Jennings" official narrative of whose idea this was when and, again, would like to know the official date of trans doc Cousin Debbie's dissertation starring Jazz (and, of course, it could have and likely would've been begun years before submission, as Ph.D dissertations are wont to do)... Pretty coincidental that one happened to be there.

 

[sperginity]

My question was about the change in used pronouns, it had nothing to do with "free speech ethos of the Farms" or my opinion on preferred or neo-pronouns. I am not calling for the use of certain pronouns either. It's just odd that recently (pertaining Jazz) the female pronouns are being used quite regularly, whereas it almost always used to be male pronouns. After all, the "free speech ethos of the Farms" was in place when this thread was created. I wondered what brought about this change, that's all.

the "consensus" on kiwi farms was never free speech, it was keeping threads on topic and enjoyable. That's why, when chris chan trooned out, null made a thread specifically about this since there was so much fighting about it in posts. The conclusion null reached was that no matter what pronouns you decide to use for chris, don't tell other people what pronouns they should use, unless you're in the thread designated for fighting about that. It doesn't matter what pronouns you use for others. Consensus of opinion isn't something to strive for.

 

[hogdogmog]

I used to use female pronouns for Jazz exclusively, when she looked like a girl. But now that's no longer the case it becomes more difficult.

 

[Brussels Sprout]

Except he hasn't. He was socialiced as trans & was groomed to become a trans activist.

This is an important point. I wouldn't call Jazz a "she" because I'm not retarded, but while he is 100% male, he is still an outsider of manhood/boyhood despite his physical reality. The majority of adult trannies will always be quite obviously male physically (and behavior wise) and despite their crying about how special their genders are, they'll have many of the sexed experiences of any normal man.

But neither sex has anything in common with how Jazz was raised or how he lives within his mangled body. It's absolutely horrifying how alienated he and other trooned out kids are from other humans. They really have become this miserable 3rd category that nobody knows what to do with. It doesn't matter how much we oppressive cis normie hitlers play along, they're always going to feel the social isolation from both sexes from being forever-troons.

 

[corryvreckan]

no matter what pronouns you decide to use for chris, don't tell other people what pronouns they should use

I think you’re basically describing ‘free speech’ there

 

[Woe-B-Gon (TM)]

My question was about the change in used pronouns, it had nothing to do with "free speech ethos of the Farms" or my opinion on preferred or neo-pronouns. I am not calling for the use of certain pronouns either. It's just odd that recently (pertaining Jazz) the female pronouns are being used quite regularly, whereas it almost always used to be male pronouns. After all, the "free speech ethos of the Farms" was in place when this thread was created. I wondered what brought about this change, that's all.

Maybe it's because we seem to be talking about Sander more. Since he's unambiguous it's useful to give him the male pronouns and Jazz gets the... er... leftovers.

 

[NoReturn]

I used to use female pronouns for Jazz exclusively, when she looked like a girl. But now that's no longer the case it becomes more difficult.

I have a pet theory that "gender = perception of sex" vs "gender = innate quality" is a unacknowledged argument at the root of a lot of this nonsense. That's why it's difficult for you now. When you saw Jazz younger your brain could square what you were seeing within the realm of "This COULD be a female child" and that's why "she" came easy. Now you have to overcome that mental speed bump.

 

[On a Journey]

it really doesn't matter, for all practical functions, jazz is not gendered. eunuch comes close, but the puberty blockers mean they're even less developed than that.

any pronouns will be equally inaccurate at this point. pretty sad really.

Exactly, Jazz is not a woman but also isn't a man. S/he acts, looks, and speaks like neither gender and has neither the genitals nor life experience of either sex. If we had neuter pronouns like in German I would use those, but the closest we have is "they/them" which is dumb and annoying to use.

Since we have to pick something but both both sets of pronouns feel equally off, I default to she/hers out of pity. Jazz's only goal in life is to be a woman so this shit is all he has.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Honestly, I see Jazz as neither male nor female, so whatever pronouns is used is pretty pointless - I probably unconsciously slip between them. He's literally a gender blob and not just in a "ha ha he fat".

 

[Brussels Sprout]

I have a pet theory that "gender = perception of sex" vs "gender = innate quality" is a unacknowledged argument at the root of a lot of this nonsense. That's why it's difficult for you now. When you saw Jazz younger your brain could square what you were seeing within the realm of "This COULD be a female child" and that's why "she" came easy. Now you have to overcome that mental speed bump.

And it's a pretty big bump now

 

[Iron Jaguar]

I wondered what brought about this change, that's all.

SJW infiltration, in an attempt to converge this forum. Be warned.

 

[Xarpho]

SJW infiltration, in an attempt to converge this forum. Be warned.

A bit alarmist, but I remember a thread a few months ago and the overwhelming majority who said how bad A&N was were all no-avatars that joined in the last 9 months. It's not a conspiracy theory, even if there's no screencap that announces plans to raid and remake Kiwi Farms.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

. It's not a conspiracy theory, even if there's no screencap that announces plans to raid and remake Kiwi Farms.

It wouldn't be much of a conspiracy if you could prove it.

 

[Puerto Pollo]

Jazz had his functioning sexual organs surgically removed, never experienced puberty nor an orgasm. Pronouns are the last problem.

 

[all4mom2]

If Jazz is neither a he nor a she (although he is chromosomally a he), why not "they"?

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Jazz had his functioning sexual organs surgically removed

Except his baby penis never functioned besides urinating.

 

[sperginity]

I think you’re basically describing ‘free speech’ there

except for this part

don't tell other people what pronouns they should use, unless you're in the thread designated for fighting about that.

being able to discuss taboo topics here isn't a free speech issue, if you discuss the topic too autistically you're going to get told to fuck off. Its for good reason, too! If that doesn't happen you end up with cyclical fights about 2 topics for each thread, kind of like the last page and a half with pronoun sperging.

 

[Aru-chu]

If Jazz is neither a he nor a she (although he is chromosomally a he), why not "they"?

Because calling people they is fucking stupid. Not that it matters, but Jazz's circumstances are kinda similar to what some intersex people go through, where they are biologically in between genders but they feel more comfortable identifying as male/female. Actually, sinc Jazz was on puberty blockers for most of her life and never went through proper male puberty, she should probably be considered intersex at this point.