What happened to being well-dressed?

The whole "people don't dress nice anymore!" usually reeks of fedora-tipping, but people do still follow fashion. If you've ever seen an arab wearing oddly-padded jeans or a soyboy wearing a giant padded jacket in +2 weather, you've seen someone "dressing up" for their day out. For a long time, fashion has tended to follow labourers, too, as others have already said. Hence the weird padded jeans and giant jackets, evocative of people who get up and down off their knees all day or spend long times in the outdoors doing Ever So Manful Things.

Keep in mind also that things like double-breasted suits and literal fedoras were all that were available when they were popular, and themselves were borne of utility -- the double breasted suit comes from shit like chefs' jackets that were made that way to protect you from heat and be reversible for when you inevitably get a pot of soup dumped on you but still have to go out and meet some high profile client. Avoid a burn AND have a clean surface to show off all at once! Then it mutates into the modern suit where half the buttons don't go anywhere. Same for brimmed hats. Umbrellas are mechanically complicated and clothes weren't waterproof, so you wear a brimmed hat that keeps the rain out of your face and off your shoulders. Waterproof clothes get cheap and umbrellas can be made from cheap stamped metal, so hats fall by the wayside, and umbrellas die too because eventually everything comes with a plasticized hood. Even pocket squares follow the same dynamic. They fell out of favour around the time people started carrying around those dumb little packets of tissues. Fleming even made fun of it in "You Only Live Twice" (the book, not the weird fever dream movie) where Bond's new Japanese handler tells him off for keeping a dirty rag full of boogers in his pocket instead of using cheap throwaway paper.

People have always dressed in cheap shit too. A suit might seem expensive and like a special thing now, so it looks like everyone Back Then dressed up so nice, but consider how easy it is to make a suit compared to anything else available then -- it's made up of panels, probably of cotton or some other plant fiber, made on a completely mechanized loom. Compare that to something like a knit sweater, or even a heavy cloak. Those things are complicated to make, or require huge bolts of continuous and expensive material. A suit is made of stitched-together panels. They looked good and fit nicely, but once you're making that kind of thing, it's not hard to make a few cuts and re-stitch it to fit. Compare it to gammy knitting you a sweater that actually fits on the first try. The latter is a fucking miracle and takes a goddamn month to make, with intimate knowledge of your measurements. Or you could wear a leather cloak, that requires half of a horse's hide all in one piece and manages to be too hot for winter and too cold for summer. The suit jacket was cheap, functional, and prolific in comparison to anything else you could wear in the day. No wonder everyone had a couple, just like everyone now has a few beloved hoodies or poly jackets.

But we're in the globalized age of slave-produced clothing. All clothes, including suits, are cheaper than they've ever been.
Textiles are probably the oldest industry, even older than prostitution. Clothes have always been very cheap, and produced en masse, by every poor person who has at least one hand. Even reading accounts of poor people coming to the new world, it's almost always to come over and end up producing clothing. There's even a jewish phrase for it, which persists to this day as a catchall for shitty low-cost low-reward industry done by the poor and unadventurous -- "Schmata Business", literally "rag business", from when poor jews would settle in new york or somewhere near and do piecework or straight-up collect and resell rags to be made into aprons or cheap hats or somesuch. Or just go into making those aprons and hats.
 
Textiles are probably the oldest industry, even older than prostitution. Clothes have always been very cheap, and produced en masse, by every poor person who has at least one hand. Even reading accounts of poor people coming to the new world, it's almost always to come over and end up producing clothing. There's even a jewish phrase for it, which persists to this day as a catchall for shitty low-cost low-reward industry done by the poor and unadventurous -- "Schmata Business", literally "rag business", from when poor jews would settle in new york or somewhere near and do piecework or straight-up collect and resell rags to be made into aprons or cheap hats or somesuch.
The difference is that those poor New York Jews had to be paid at least enough that they wouldn't literally starve to death in New York. We're not constrained by even that limit anymore - now we just have to pay enough for slaves not to die faster than they can be replaced in whatever third-world hellhole is cheapest this week, plus a bit of freight charges on a Chinese container ship.

You can read some actual figures for the British market here:
 
No, but really what do you need to be decently well dressed? Pair of chinos, cheap dress shoes, and a button-up shirt, maybe something like a camp shirt?

Something like this dude, maybe:

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But we're in the globalized age of slave-produced clothing. All clothes, including suits, are cheaper than they've ever been. The exception is the top-end handmade stuff, since that is an increasingly specialized niche - somewhat captured by the conspicuous consumption demographic.
Well consider that it's not just about the production cost, it's also about how it fits. Things like jeans and t shirts are a lot less fickle when it comes to having them fit, especially when elastic is involved, because nobody is going to call you out for wearing an ill-fitting t shirt, but with suits, the entire point is to have it fit, which means even for off the rack suits, a lot of the production cost comes from having a much larger range of sizes, meaning the price has to be higher to compensate, not to mention suit jackets need padding and construction, which makes it harder to churn out of a factory.
 
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Well consider that it's not just about the production cost, it's also about how it fits. Things like jeans and t shirts are a lot less fickle when it comes to having them fit, especially when elastic is involved, because nobody is going to call you out for wearing an ill-fitting t shirt, but with suits, the entire point is to have it fit
Right, but this has always been true, so I don't think it factors in one way or the other when it comes to the decline of professional attire over time.
 
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A lot of the real junk, tailors will refuse to work on because you just can't do anything with them. The one I go to even has a list posted up front of what brands of suits are impossible to work with.
My dry cleaner had a sign up saying he doesn't accept Inditex brands for pretty similar reasons. He says Primark it's better made 🤣
 
No, but really what do you need to be decently well dressed? Pair of chinos, cheap dress shoes, and a button-up shirt, maybe something like a camp shirt?

Something like this dude, maybe:

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That photo has prompted another, somewhat less stupid question for a topic in my mind: What happened to not being complete fucking fatasses?
 
I was a bit horrified about how certain people came dressed to my grandmother's funeral. I was always told that you got dressed for a funeral. Even if you had very little you went out and got something secondhand or borrowed clothes.

You should have a warm weather dress outfit and a cold weather dress outfit. Even if you aren't going to wear them any time soon put them away so you will be ready.

i try to dress nice every day and I get made fun of and called a Mormon because I am not a huge fan of pants. i think dresses and skirts are easier to wear, warmer in winter and cooler in summer. it's amazing how much hell you get just for not wanting to be a slob.

Although I find that when decent people think you just came from church they tend to be very nice and helpful to you. It pays to look nice.
 
What do you think would have to happen for people to start dressing in suits again (and doing it well? These days the average Joe probably finds the idea of spending $200 (at least) on clothing that they hardly have an excuse to wear (most dress codes are in the toilet)? And tailoring? What's that? It seems the average normie has an overall lack of care or knowledge about how, if they even bother wearing a suit, to do it right, even for something important like their own wedding.
 
Another issue with clothing is that teens and adults wear the same things. You can see a 40 year old man with a snapback and hoodie just like a 15 year old. The same with women.
Dressing smart is not too expensive after all, but people right now would rather spend on 200 bucka air jordans than a nice suit because they don't need it. Most workplaces outside of retail and high end jobs don't have a dress code anymore.
 
Price isn't an issue for most, as they will slap down £150 on jeans without a second thought, when a three-piece suit, shoes, belt and tie can be picked up for <£200. Sure it's off the rack, but a cheap suit looks smarter than the best designer wear.

For me, being a working-class scumbag, i prefer wearing suits but i hardly ever do, outside of occasions that require such attire.

However, i usually doss about in shorts, trackies and sometimes jeans. I look like a scruffy cunt and i know it. The reason i don't dress smart 100% of the time is because there's nobody around here that is worth me dressing up for. That might sound daft, but why am i slapping on a shirt and trousers to go to Tesco, where half the people in there are other working-class scumbags either wearing PJ's, slutty beach-wear (not complaining) or scuffs?
 
i try to dress nice every day and I get made fun of and called a Mormon because I am not a huge fan of pants. i think dresses and skirts are easier to wear, warmer in winter and cooler in summer. it's amazing how much hell you get just for not wanting to be a slob.
If women go around dressing nice and feminine, they might attract a good man. That might result, eventually, in babies and functional families. That's racist and bad for the environment.
 
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Maybe if stylish, classic clothes still existed instead of this fast-fashion ultra-casual crap. Had I known then what I know now, I would have kept my work clothes wardrobe I had built up. Things also don't fit me well, I am slender and tall with basically no hips. Get pants to fit my waist and I have too much extra fabric around the ass. I just go with it now - work where I can wear sweats and a T-shirt and in one month, going work-from-home. As far as going out, we don't do that anyway - people get shot and I want nothing to do with this new PC shit. Can't even have a normal blue-collar conversation with people at the tavern, they don't exist like that anymore - it's all social justice shit and I don't need Aiden from the university criticizing my use of the word ape to describe the denizens of my particular community even when race was never brought up.
 
I don’t have any issues with casual clothing being the norm, but I do have an issue with the number of people who just go around looking like shit. It’s not about cost, either, plain basics that actually fit properly look great and you can add accessories to dress them up a bit. There’s no excuse to get about in Lycra bodycon from Boohoo that’s two sizes too small so the world gets to appreciate your fat rolls unless you’ve got chronic body dysmorphia or you really want to pick up black guys.
Don’t follow shitty trends, either. Nobody should be wearing pool slides with sports socks outside their house unless they’re putting out the bins. I don’t give a fuck if they’re Gucci, you look like a twat. On the opposite tack, I've yet to meet anyone who says ‘I don’t follow fashion’ that doesn’t look like they dressed from the Salvation Army bin in the dark.
 
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