Disaster French Companies Admit Problems at Nuclear Plant in China - CHINA NUMBAH WAN oh and vive la france

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/business/china-nuclear-power-problem.html

One of the companies said there had been a buildup of gases at the heart of a reactor. They say the plant is still safe.

The  Taishan Nuclear Power Plant, a French-Chinese project, under construction in Guangdong Province in 2013. The plant said Sunday that no leaks had been detected.

The Taishan Nuclear Power Plant, a French-Chinese project, under construction in Guangdong Province in 2013. The plant said Sunday that no leaks had been detected.Credit...Peter Parks/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

By Keith Bradsher
June 14, 2021Updated 2:07 p.m. ET

BEIJING — Unusual activity at a nuclear power reactor in China has drawn international attention, as two French companies involved in the plant acknowledged problems on Monday but said they could be handled safely.

The companies were responding to a report by CNN on Monday that Framatome, one of the companies, had sought help from the United States, citing an “imminent radiological threat” at the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant in Guangdong Province.

EDF, France’s main power utility and part owner of the power plant, said in a statement that certain gases had accumulated in the water and steam surrounding the uranium fuel rods at the heart of the reactor. But it said that the reactor had procedures for dealing with such a buildup of gases, which it described as a “known phenomenon.”

Framatome, an EDF affiliate and the builder of the reactors, said that there had been a “performance issue” but that the plant was operating within its safety parameters. In China, the power plant said in a statement on Sunday night that no leak into the environment had been detected.

Patrick H. Regan, a nuclear scientist at Britain’s National Physical Laboratory and at the University of Surrey, said the difficulty described by EDF appeared to be a leak of gases from one or more fuel rods into the water and steam that surround the rods in the heart of a reactor. The most likely gas to have been detected is a radioactive isotope of xenon, he said.

The problem with that isotope is that its presence may prompt reactor operators to remove limits on how fast the reactor runs. That can make the reactor more vulnerable to overheating, Mr. Regan said.

“It’s almost pressing the accelerator” in a car, he said.

This is not a new problem in nuclear reactors, sometimes occurring if a fuel rod has a crack. It is typically handled by removing the fuel rods from the reactor and letting the xenon isotope gradually dissipate over a couple of days through radioactive decay.

The other option is to keep running the reactor and vent traces of the xenon gas from the reactor into the atmosphere. Regulators around the world give each reactor a small annual allowance of radioactive releases. Venting can allow the reactor to continue operating, but may trigger regulatory reviews.

Several details from the CNN report, which cited unnamed sources, could not be verified. CNN also reported that Framatome had said Chinese authorities raised the acceptable limits for radiation releases around the plant to avoid having to shut it down. The province is already suffering from electricity shortages.

Michael Friedlander, a former operator at three nuclear power plants in the United States, said many nuclear utilities around the world used to keep operating with leaking fuel rods and occasional venting of xenon gases. But that ended in the West in the 1990s as utilities sought to minimize even trace releases of radiation, partly to protect their own workers.

“The global best practice is to shut down and change out the leaking fuel rods as soon as practical,” he said. “This normally would occur way, way, way before you approach a regulatory limit.”

It appeared that the reactor had released gas in the past. The Hong Kong government, which stays in close contact with the management of nearby reactors, said on April 8 that there had been an incident three days earlier with the exhaust gas system at the same reactor. The incident resulted in a tiny release of a gas, but the details of which gas were not disclosed.

The release was equal to only 0.00044 percent of the annual limit for the power plant’s releases of that gas, however, the Hong Kong government said.

According to CNN, Framatome had contacted the U.S. government about getting help with operations at the power plant. CGN, the Chinese nuclear company, is on the U.S. Commerce Department’s so-called Entity List of foreign enterprises with which American companies are forbidden to do business.

As part of the request for advice, Framatome asked the United States to waive its limits on nuclear assistance to China on the basis that it met a legal test of an “immediate radiological threat,” the report said. The United States has a lot of early experience in managing the trade-offs of venting traces of gases from reactors and continuing to run them.

It’s unclear how the company defined the threat. Some of the most sensitive radiation detection equipment tends to be at nuclear power plants, so as to provide early warning of any leaks. CLP, a Hong Kong-based electricity multinational that partly owns a nuclear power station in Shenzhen, near Hong Kong, said on Monday in an emailed response to questions that it had not observed any abnormal radiation.

The American Embassy in Beijing had no immediate comment.
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IDK, this may well be nothing . But knowing China, it would be a shame if something else was going on and France's nuclear record was tarnished by helping the chinks
 
How stunning and brave that now entities are allowed to make tiny lil bitsy amounts of criticism to China, now that it's becoming slightly more mainstream, maybe one day they might be allowed to call out one or two crimes against humanity they are committing.

Still, I expected Europe/France to be the last ones to do so, so kudos.
 
This is just the typical chinkery. Allow me to translate for everyone:

two French companies involved in the plant acknowledged problems on Monday but said they could be handled safely.
"Could" be handled safely. i.e. if this was America or Russia or Afghanistan or some other country not packed to the brim with corner-cutters and fuckups, then this "could" be handled safely. There exists a solution! But notice he said "could" and not will.

there had been a “performance issue” but that the plant was operating within its safety parameters.
Turns out this is really easy when you just don't have any safety parameters. Pro-tip!

the power plant said in a statement on Sunday night that no leak into the environment had been detected.
No leak "had been detected". Past tense. Notice they didn't say that a leak wasn't a threat, but just that it hadn't been detected. (And again, if they just don't check for a leak, then "no leak has been detected" is automatically true. See how this works?)

The problem with that isotope is that its presence may prompt reactor operators to remove limits on how fast the reactor runs.
Bold of this guy to assume the Chinese would even put safety limits into their reactors.

This is not a new problem in nuclear reactors, sometimes occurring if a fuel rod has a crack. It is typically handled by removing the fuel rods from the reactor and letting the xenon isotope gradually dissipate over a couple of days through radioactive decay.
But there's bitcoin to be mined, so that "couple of days" is pretty expensive. And what's the worst that could happen? The reactor explodes, killing everyone in the plant and poisoning everyone in a 100km radius? Those are just people and there's plenty more where they came from. If America and the rest of the world with their bleeding hearts want to kick up a fuss about all the people that died, we'll just lie and tell them that nobody was living in the area anyway so of course it didn't kill anyone.

Regulators around the world give each reactor a small annual allowance of radioactive releases. Venting can allow the reactor to continue operating, but may trigger regulatory reviews.
"Regulators"? "Regulatory reviews"? Buddy...

CNN also reported that Framatome had said Chinese authorities raised the acceptable limits for radiation releases around the plant to avoid having to shut it down. The province is already suffering from electricity shortages.
See? Told ya. You'd think "acceptable limits for radiation releases" would be one of those set-in-stone things that you had a bunch of scientists compute to be as precise as possible. But oh no, the plant is about to shut down and we won't be able to mine bitcoin anymore? Well, it was more of a "acceptable guideline" I guess.

But that ended in the West in the 1990s as utilities sought to minimize even trace releases of radiation, partly to protect their own workers.
The life hack there is to just not care about your workers, of course.

The incident resulted in a tiny release of a gas, but the details of which gas were not disclosed.
Also nobody died or suffered any injuries from the gas release, and also it never happened and you're a racist if you suspect otherwise. China numbah won!

CGN, the Chinese nuclear company, is on the U.S. Commerce Department’s so-called Entity List of foreign enterprises with which American companies are forbidden to do business.
(This is unironically a good thing, by the way. Why should we be helping hostile foreign powers run their nuclear infrastructure? Fuck the French for even being involved in this farce.)

It’s unclear how the company defined the threat.
Deliberately unclear. They need to hit that sweet spot between "imminent radiological threat" so they can try to rope us into cleaning up their mess when shit hits the fan, and also "complete nothingburger, nothing to see here comrade" so that their families aren't all suicided by the CCP.
 
Those are just people and there's plenty more where they came from. If America and the rest of the world with their bleeding hearts want to kick up a fuss about all the people that died, we'll just lie and tell them that nobody was living in the area anyway so of course it didn't kill anyone.
Kudos for bringing up Intelsat 708. If only more people knew about that one. I honestly think general knowledge of China's shit is about where knowledge of the USSR's shit was in the mid-late 80s. People knew the big obvious things like the Holodomor and the draining of the Aral sea etc, but plenty of old and even ongoing messes like cannibal island, Aralsk-7, the Kyshtym disaster, Andreev Bay, the Nedelin explosion. All of this was whispers and rumors at best. Some started being admitted during Glasnost, but the collapse of the USSR and temporary opening of the KGB files revealed so much dark shit the west barely knew.

I have the feeling that, similarly, we've barely scratched the surface with China. And some of this stuff is already out there, just not publicized. Did you know China was still conducting atmospheric nuclear tests in 1980? And that the Uighurs are downwinders?
 
IDK, this may well be nothing . But knowing China, it would be a shame if something else was going on and France's nuclear record was tarnished by helping the chinks
Modern nuclear power plants (this one was made in 2013) are pretty much fool proof. If it was constructed properly under the French there should be no problems with it and the article will just be scare mongering.
By comparison, the fukishima incident had 0 deaths (compared to the 15,000 who died from the earthquake) and only happened because they forced the plant to shut down, which prevented safety features from activating.
 
Modern nuclear power plants (this one was made in 2013) are pretty much fool proof. If it was constructed properly under the French there should be no problems with it and the article will just be scare mongering.
By comparison, the fukishima incident had 0 deaths (compared to the 15,000 who died from the earthquake) and only happened because they forced the plant to shut down, which prevented safety features from activating.
Someone in the Happenings thread mentioned reactor 1 being primarily France and Japan and then shipped to China while reactor 2 was primarily China. Who knows. Fwiw, I don't want another big fuckup to make the normies think nuclear is evil. Pay no attention to the French program.
 
Don't start cooking the popcorn yet. This sounds like a nuclear incident waiting to happen, but not quite a nuclear disaster. It's doubtful that they would risk retaining the gas and cause a meltdown because that can lead to explosions and international headlines. It's much easier to quietly dump the radioactive gas into the atmosphere and draw the ire of the much smaller group of people in the world who would care about that. A bunch of people might die of thyroid cancer 20 years from now, but by then everyone will have forgotten that this ever happened.
 
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Ah, just let them have their own Chernobyl and watch them fade from influence, just like the Ruskies.
 
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This is just the typical chinkery. Allow me to translate for everyone:


"Could" be handled safely. i.e. if this was America or Russia or Afghanistan or some other country not packed to the brim with corner-cutters and fuckups, then this "could" be handled safely. There exists a solution! But notice he said "could" and not will.


Turns out this is really easy when you just don't have any safety parameters. Pro-tip!


No leak "had been detected". Past tense. Notice they didn't say that a leak wasn't a threat, but just that it hadn't been detected. (And again, if they just don't check for a leak, then "no leak has been detected" is automatically true. See how this works?)


Bold of this guy to assume the Chinese would even put safety limits into their reactors.


But there's bitcoin to be mined, so that "couple of days" is pretty expensive. And what's the worst that could happen? The reactor explodes, killing everyone in the plant and poisoning everyone in a 100km radius? Those are just people and there's plenty more where they came from. If America and the rest of the world with their bleeding hearts want to kick up a fuss about all the people that died, we'll just lie and tell them that nobody was living in the area anyway so of course it didn't kill anyone.


"Regulators"? "Regulatory reviews"? Buddy...


See? Told ya. You'd think "acceptable limits for radiation releases" would be one of those set-in-stone things that you had a bunch of scientists compute to be as precise as possible. But oh no, the plant is about to shut down and we won't be able to mine bitcoin anymore? Well, it was more of a "acceptable guideline" I guess.


The life hack there is to just not care about your workers, of course.


Also nobody died or suffered any injuries from the gas release, and also it never happened and you're a racist if you suspect otherwise. China numbah won!


(This is unironically a good thing, by the way. Why should we be helping hostile foreign powers run their nuclear infrastructure? Fuck the French for even being involved in this farce.)


Deliberately unclear. They need to hit that sweet spot between "imminent radiological threat" so they can try to rope us into cleaning up their mess when shit hits the fan, and also "complete nothingburger, nothing to see here comrade" so that their families aren't all suicided by the CCP
At least when the Japanese have safety flaws it’s because they are making it more efficient, not because they’re cheap and lazy.
 
Wait, what?
The Nazino Tragedy

The Nazino tragedy (Russian: Назинская трагедия, romanized: Nazinskaya Tragediya) was the mass deportation of 6,000 people to Nazino Island in the Soviet Union in May 1933. The deportees were forcibly sent to the small, isolated island in Western Siberia, located 540 kilometers (340 mi) northwest of Tomsk, Russian SFSR, to construct a "special settlement". They were abandoned with only flour for food, and little in the way of tools, clothing, or shelter, and those who attempted to leave were killed by armed guards.[1][2] The conditions of the island led to widespread disease, abuse of power, violence, and cannibalism. Within thirteen weeks, over 4,000 of the deportees related to Nazino Island had died or disappeared, and a majority of the survivors were in ill health.[3][4]

 
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