Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Derka Derka]

Bret Weinstein is not an honest player IMO.

He was strongly for the lockdowns and the masks (still is as far as I know).

There is no evidence one way or the other that the lab leak was accidental or deliberate, but he makes declarative statements that 'it must have been an accident".

He continues to spout nonsense regarding Zoonotic viruses. Bats are literally the worst candidate animal species for a cross species pandemic to emerge from, but he hand waives objections.

He also massively over plays the severity of Covid, is a believer in long Covd and claims the bug is responsible for massive systemic multi organ damage in a significant percentage of the population leaving them crippled for life. This is hysterical nonsense.

On the other hand he's consistently argued in favor of the lab leak hypothesis since around June last year. He's also shown a degree of skepticism regarding the vaccines and has spoken strongly for treatment alternatives.

So take or leave I guess but remember who he is and understand there's always an agenda.

Weinstein is no different from most academics.
They have drawn lines in the sand and loudly agued their position (often obnoxiously).
The difference is he is not afraid of discussing/arguing his point of view with anyone who will have an open conversation.

It will be interesting if gets challenged by someone who specialised in zoonotic viruses, and see if he is able to defend his position.

Bats may not be a plausible species to cross over directly to humans, from our perspective.
But this is where gain of function kicks in .. then the lack of controls, lies and clumsy handling (or coverup) by the Chinese government

 

[Salubrious]

The difference is he is not afraid of discussing/arguing his point of view with anyone who will have an open conversation.

This is a major difference between the left and the right in general at the moment.

People on the right think that they are smarter than they actually are, and will challenge you to "debate me in real life and not online and see what happens." See also Ben Shapiro and Marjorie Taylor-Greene.

The left will say that you aren't allowed to debate them at all because you've been silencing them forever and marginalized voices need to be heard and white people need to shut up and listen et cetera et cetera. The left will call you evil and say that you aren't allowed to talk back because defensiveness is a trait of white supremacy.

 

[Meat Target]

This is a major difference between the left and the right in general at the moment.

People on the right think that they are smarter than they actually are, and will challenge you to "debate me in real life and not online and see what happens." See also Ben Shapiro and Marjorie Taylor-Greene.

The left will say that you aren't allowed to debate them at all because you've been silencing them forever and marginalized voices need to be heard and white people need to shut up and listen et cetera et cetera. The left will call you evil and say that you aren't allowed to talk back because defensiveness is a trait of white supremacy.

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Don't forget that allowing someone other than the left is "bothsidesism". Libs literally think you are worse than Kim Jong-un or ISIS for saying things like "there are two genders" and "hatred against white people is racism".

 

[Derka Derka]

This is a major difference between the left and the right in general at the moment.

People on the right think that they are smarter than they actually are, and will challenge you to "debate me in real life and not online and see what happens." See also Ben Shapiro and Marjorie Taylor-Greene.

The left will say that you aren't allowed to debate them at all because you've been silencing them forever and marginalized voices need to be heard and white people need to shut up and listen et cetera et cetera. The left will call you evil and say that you aren't allowed to talk back because defensiveness is a trait of white supremacy.

Weinstein is a filthy old-school liberal. He has effectively been exiled (since Evergreen)

The left are now heavily biased towards cultural marxism (Critical Theory and spawn of general retardation) and liberals are increasingly being pushed in the background.

 

[Disheveled Human]

This point exactly. I fucking hate when people come at you with ‘don’t you care about others?’
No motherfucker I don’t. I care about me and my family and that’s about it. Life is inherently risky and I’m not gonna spend my time being anxious about what my non action could potentially do to someone I couldn’t care less about.

We do not give a fuck if you get the vax or covid just stop spreading bullshit information about the vaccine so the world can collectively open up sooner you sped.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

We do not give a fuck if you get the vax or covid just stop spreading bullshit information about the vaccine so the world can collectively open up sooner you sped.

The world can already open if they so chose.
Some countries already have. Some US states which are larger than countries already have.

Also:
>"We do not give a fuck if you get the vax"
>"We need everyone to get the vax so we can open"

Its like every post you write is a retarded contradiction

 

[Disheveled Human]

Here is a data printout of vaccines vs adverse effects in Canada (They must be lying guys).

Lets just round this up in favor of the vaccine being dangerous airing on the side of caution and call it 30m Vaccines administered and 10k adverse events. Lets even go further and call all adverse events lethal. Even though its reported only 109 deaths total and of that its not necessarily clear if it was the vaccine that killed them, lets assume so for arguments sake.

Now lets contrast this with covid cases and deaths.

1.4 million cases of covid. Boasting 26k deaths.

Lets say the government here is stupid and is off by 5 times, It is still statistically safer to avoid covid when compared to the vaccine.

Spoiler: Source Links

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/

Spoiler: Source Links

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

 

[FarmerKhourtney]

Definitely interested in reading as much as I can of this thread, but it’s huge. Lol

Spoiler

covid has really and truly fucked my mental health and during the lockdowns I developed some new to me chronic conditions, my kids’ personalities have completely changed. Now I have to pull myself from the bottom of the pit. And the only advice anyone around me has is to get vaccinated! Then your anxiety will go away. And I’m truly
Not comfortable getting vaccinated but I feel like people are making the unvaccinated out to be lepers. Especially in my particular area of the US. I do feel like some of the safety measures were truly needed or at least tried with somewhat good intentions but - the mental health impact will last for a long time. The media spent months saying if we went outside we’d die or be responsible for killing someone else. And then suddenly it was ok to open and everything’s hunky dory. The messaging has done some true damage to people IMO.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

The world can already open if they so chose.
Some countries already have. Some US states which are larger than countries already have.

Also:
>"We do not give a fuck if you get the vax"
>"We need everyone to get the vax so we can open"

Its like every post you write is a retarded contradiction

This has been the exhausting bog-standard Branch Covidianism for the past year and a half. Sometimes even within the same sentence.

• Yeah sure all the statistics show that it's only slightly dangerous to old people and fatties (still low single-digit percentage mind you). So it's not like you're going to die from it. But you should be careful because you could DIE from it!
• Yeah I suppose we've seen no difference between the face diaper Stasi areas and the relatively free areas. But you should put the diaper on JUST IN CASE!
• I don't care if you get the vaccine, it's a personal choice. Also IT'S TOTALLY SAFE AND YOU SHOULD GET IT AND YOU HAVE TO OTHERWISE WE CAN'T OPEN UP REEEEEEEEE
• The vaccine isn't going to last and you'll need a booster shot in six months. So it's a CURE!
• Yeah sure Coronaviruses mutate fairly predictably to be more infectious and less severe. But it could MUTATE DEADLY SYMPTOMS!

Every time I interact with one I fully expect them to acknowledge the data that shows this bullshit is a cold, and then proceed to rave and screech that it's airborne face-melting demon gas that can teleport through walls a femtosecond later. I believe it's the same brainrotting disease that caused TDS. The comorbidity is too coincidental to think otherwise.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Talk about an eerie timing to release this study about cold and corona-chan. https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/202...ainst-coronavirus-study-finds?utm_source=econ

https://archive.ph/IfGUq

Researchers from Yale University found that exposure to rhinovirus, the most common virus that causes the cold, can jump-start the immune system and protect people against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19).
Article by Arsenio Toledo from Natural News.
The presence of the virus that causes the common cold can begin the activity of interferon-stimulated genes. These are some of the early-response molecules in the immune system. If a person with the cold inhales SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, there is a chance that it cannot replicate if it lands in the same airway tissues that are infected with the cold. (Related: If you’ve ever had a cold, your immune system may already know how to fight COVID-19.)
The new study, published on Tuesday, June 15 in the Journal of Experimental Medicine, examined rhinoviruses. These researchers had previously found that the immune system’s response to the common cold can protect people against the flu. They wanted to see if this kind of response could be replicated and offer similar protection against COVID-19.

They used human airway tissue grown in a lab for this experiment. The researchers infected the artificial tissue with the rhinovirus and then with the coronavirus. After the tissue was exposed to the rhinovirus, its immune system was automatically activated. The tissue with the rhinovirus was then infected with SARS-CoV-2. The virus was completely stopped from replicating.
The team compared the results by infecting a clean piece of lab-grown tissue with the coronavirus. They found that the viral load in this sample of tissue doubled every six hours.

 

[Lichen Bark]

Here is a data printout of vaccines vs adverse effects in Canada (They must be lying guys).
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Lets just round this up in favor of the vaccine being dangerous airing on the side of caution and call it 30m Vaccines administered and 10k adverse events. Lets even go further and call all adverse events lethal. Even though its reported only 109 deaths total and of that its not necessarily clear if it was the vaccine that killed them, lets assume so for arguments sake.
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Now lets contrast this with covid cases and deaths.
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1.4 million cases of covid. Boasting 26k deaths.
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Lets say the government here is stupid and is off by 5 times, It is still statistically safer to avoid covid when compared to the vaccine.

Spoiler: Source Links

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/

Spoiler: Source Links

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

>they must be lying guys
Well yes, if they are running PCR testing at higher than 28 cycles, which they most certainly do. There was a German study done in the post I linked pages back, that suggested 50-75% of the PCR testing was just getting virus fragments, and they weren't infectious. So that means all those numbers of people who died with a positive PCR test and were counted as covid deaths were lies. That might adjust the death numbers hmmmm? But you are part potato, so I don't expect you to understand that. It's too bad you aren't 100% potato DNA, because then you might contribute something to society.

Canada has had mass vaccines at a high level since maybe October of last year, you expect me to believe, even when your NACI committee says explicitly, we are still learning, we we are still monitoring vaccine safety, that nothing bad might show up in a few years from now? Your media is funded by the same people who are silencing your doctors. Most of us in the thread want to wait and see what happens in the next few years, you yammering on about the last 7 months of data isn't going to change that. As soon as Trump uttered the words "vaccine warp speed" program I knew I was going to wait a good while and let the kinks get worked out. Somehow that fills you with confidence, I find that amusing.

Edit: based on your response below you don't seem to understand what long term testing is, or why its important.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The irony is "they must be lying" is the exact same argument d00mers and Branch Covidians make for why Georgia, Florida and Texas haven't fared any worse from COVID despite opening up, unmasking and letting people go unvaccinated.

Would you call that... projection?

 

[Disheveled Human]

>they must be lying guys
Well yes, if they are running PCR testing at higher than 28 cycles, which they most certainly do. There was a German study done in the post I linked pages back, that suggested 50-75% of the PCR testing was just getting virus fragments, and they weren't infectious. So that means all those numbers of people who died with a positive PCR test and were counted as covid deaths were lies. That might adjust the death numbers hmmmm? But you are part potato, so I don't expect you to understand that. It's too bad you aren't 100% potato DNA, because then you might contribute something to society.

Canada has had mass vaccines at a high level since maybe October of last year, you expect me to believe, even when your NACI committee says explicitly, we are still learning, we we are still monitoring vaccine safety, that nothing bad might show up in a few years from now? Your media is funded by the same people who are silencing your doctors. Most of us in the thread want to wait and see what happens in the next few years, you yammering on about the last 7 months of data isn't going to change that. As soon as Trump uttered the words "vaccine warp speed" program I knew I was going to wait a good while and let the kinks get worked out. Somehow that fills you with confidence, I find that amusing.

Unless you can narrow the covid deaths to under hmmm lets say 5k per 1.4 million which is being extremely generous in favor of your argument it pretty much falls flat. I know we are a bunch of tards up here in Canada but for fuck sakes we are not counting in south african here. Also your argument relies on things that could but have not happened yet so its faulty to assume so. It's the same thing as people claiming "Long Covid". Lets just talk about the numbers that are available instead of manipulating them to fit an argument.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Anyone else find it fascinating that the Covidians utterly fail to notice one of the most obvious foils to their extinction event raving? The fact that it has a massively disproportionate effect on eatbeasts and methuselahs? And to a tard, they've extrapolated that to the entire population, as if it's a lethality you can average out across demographics?

Yes, Corona-chan kills. Deeply unhealthy people (and the occasional incredibly unlucky person). This is a trait it shares with the flu, bad colds, and diarrhea coupled with dehydration.

Now where is the global hypochondriapocalypse over the slim chance a vending machine might fall on you? It could happen! It's unlikely but you might die! You need to lock yourself indoors! Who knows if they installed one in your driveway. Better safe than sorry.

 

[General Disarray]

Interesting information about Biogen, who have just received a contentious FDA approval for an Alzheimer's drug.

First, let's look at early in the pandemic:
nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/biogen-conference-covid-spread.html

A February conference by the drug company Biogen was initially thought to have infected 99 people. By the end of October, it was feared that the number had grown as high as 300,000.

When it was disclosed last spring that the coronavirus had stealthily infected 99 people after the Cambridge, Mass., pharmaceutical company Biogen held a two-day conference in February, it helped add the term “superspreader” to the pandemic lexicon

A new analysis of the Biogen event at a Boston hotel has concluded that the coronavirus strains loosed at the meeting have since migrated worldwide, infecting about 245,000 Americans — and potentially as many as 300,000 — by the end of October.

The virus strains spread to at least 29 states. They were found in Australia, Sweden and Slovakia. They wended their way from a room packed with biotechnology executives to Boston homeless shelters, where they also spread widely among occupants.

The analysis, by more than 50 health care experts and researchers based primarily in the Boston area, was published on Thursday in Science, the journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. It is based on genetic analyses of the coronavirus taken from 28 people who attended the Biogen annual leadership conference, at a Marriott hotel on the Boston waterfront, on Feb. 26 and 27.

At the time, only 30 coronavirus infections had been confirmed in the United States, according to data compiled by The New York Times. More than a month earlier, Chinese authorities had quarantined the 11 million residents of Wuhan, where Covid-19 was first detected. But the epidemics that would ravage Europe were still on the horizon; Italy had recorded its first death only days earlier.

Huh. What are the odds? So we move on to a potential Covid-Alzheimer's link:

Study identifies how COVID-19 linked to Alzheimer's disease-like cognitive impairment
sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210610162405.htm

A new Cleveland Clinic-led study has identified mechanisms by which COVID-19 can lead to Alzheimer's disease-like dementia. The findings, published in Alzheimer's Research & Therapy, indicate an overlap between COVID-19 and brain changes common in Alzheimer's, and may help inform risk management and therapeutic strategies for COVID-19-associated cognitive impairment

While researchers found little evidence that the virus targets the brain directly, they discovered close network relationships between the virus and genes/proteins associated with several neurological diseases, most notably Alzheimer's, pointing to pathways by which COVID-19 could lead to AD-like dementia. To explore this further, they investigated potential associations between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation and brain microvascular injury, which are both hallmarks of Alzheimer's.

OK, now let's look at the drug Biogen developed, and the drama surrounding it:

Another FDA Adviser Resigns In Wake Of Alzheimer’s Drug Approval Decision

The Washington Post and Axios report on the ongoing fallout from the “contentious” decision to approve Aduhelm while CNN covers the costs and side-effects of the new drug. The Cincinnat…

khn.org

The Washington Post and Axios report on the ongoing fallout from the "contentious" decision to approve Aduhelm while CNN covers the costs and side-effects of the new drug. The Cincinnati Enquirer notes it will be available at UC Health and two other Ohio sites.

Two members of a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel resigned this week after the agency’s contentious decision to approve an Alzheimer’s drug over the objections of its outside advisers. David S. Knopman, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic, said Wednesday in an email to The Washington Post that he did not “wish to be part of a sham process” that ultimately resulted in the agency’s approval Monday of Biogen’s Aduhelm, also known as aducanumab. ... Earlier this week, Joel S. Perlmutter, a neurologist at Washington University in St. Louis, resigned from the committee, according to the trade publications Stat News and the Pink Sheet. (

A new poll of more than 1,400 people who work in the biotech and pharmaceutical industries by John Carroll of Endpoints News reveals a clear consensus: The FDA made a big mistake approving Aduhelm, Biogen's Alzheimer's treatment, and the $56,000 price tag does not match any possible benefit. Even the industry's own experts are not defending the FDA and Biogen.

Also, it seems they're establishing a new research center. Also going to make some serious bank off of this drug. Wonder if the two are related somehow:

Biogen CEO says $56,000 annually for Alzheimer’s drug is 'fair,' promises not to hike price for at least 4 years

Biogen CEO says $56,000 annually for Alzheimer’s drug is 'fair,' promises not to hike price for at least 4 years

Biogen CEO Michel Vounatsos told CNBC on Monday that the list price of $56,000 per year for the company's FDA-approved Alzheimer's disease drug aducanumab is "fair."

Shares of Biogen surged as high as 60% on Monday after the Food and Drug Administration announced it had approved the company's drug for the disease.

Biogen Announces Plans to Build a New, State-of-the-Art Gene Therapy Manufacturing Facility in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

Biogen Announces Plans to Build a New, State-of-the-Art Gene Therapy Manufacturing Facility in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina | Biogen

The Investor Relations website contains information about Biogen's business for stockholders, potential investors, and financial analysts.

investors.biogen.com

Biogen Inc. today announced its plans to build a new gene therapy manufacturing facility at its Research Triangle Park (RTP) manufacturing campuses in North Carolina to support its growing gene therapy pipeline across multiple therapeutic areas.

With this new facility, Biogen is investing in robust and scalable gene therapy manufacturing with the goal of ensuring reliable supply to patients worldwide. Gene therapy is an emerging therapeutic modality that may be suitable for a growing list of genetically validated targets in neuroscience.

So this company's conference was at the epicenter of one of the first outbreaks, they conveniently develop an expensive therapy for Alzheimer's just as studies are showing that Covid can cause an acceleration of Alzheimer's? Seems so, uh, coincidental.

(tried to archive for better links, but the queue is over 2K sorry)

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Unless you can narrow the covid deaths to under hmmm lets say 5k per 1.4 million which is being extremely generous in favor of your argument it pretty much falls flat. I know we are a bunch of tards up here in Canada but for fuck sakes we are not counting in south african here. Also your argument relies on things that could but have not happened yet so its faulty to assume so. It's the same thing as people claiming "Long Covid". Lets just talk about the numbers that are available instead of manipulating them to fit an argument.

The vaccine (and you know those side-effects are underreported) is literally more likely to harm me than catching the disease is using the extremely simple metric of cases in my age group versus the number of how many people in my age group have died. It's the same for everyone under 40. So no thanks, if you don't want the disease then you go get vaccinated, I'll take the better option of using my immune system.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Edit: based on your response below you don't seem to understand what long term testing is, or why its important.

Dude my argument gives you 5x of error wiggle room even if the tests were off there is so much margin I am giving you for your argument and its still statistically worse.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Dude my argument gives you 5x of error wiggle room even if the tests were off there is so much margin I am giving you for your argument and its still statistically worse.

He's talking per age cohort, dumbass

 

[Disheveled Human]

He's talking per age cohort, dumbass

I marked up the 109 vaccine deaths by 10,000% and its still favorable.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I marked up the 109 vaccine deaths by 1000% and its still favorable.

I don't take untested medication unless I'm going to die otherwise. It could be zit cream or a vaccine. For someone who thinks this vaccine is a personal choice, you're awfully invested in screeching at people who don't want it until they're pestered into doing it.

This. Is. A. Cold.