Trump Enslavement Syndrome - Orange man good. /r/The_Donald and any public demonstration of rabid pro-Trump enthusiasm in spite of all reason.

NeoGAF Lurker said:
The pandemic was Trump’s first true test of leadership…and he completely flunked it. I agree, there were actually numerous opportunities to come out ahead and he went with the opposite approach. Of course, by that time, there were only two people he listened to: Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. Two muddled brain retarded children of privilege who only cared about what Netanyahu wants (for Jared) and their ditzy socialite friends (for Ivanka) wanted. These three dumbasses had no real leadership qualities to survive a pandemic so they floundered.

Jared and Ivanka were the worst political advisors since Rasputin. Their incompetence is truly impressive…and those two were considered by Donald to be his successors. Truly hopeless.
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don't forget Some random facebook doctor boomer
 
Coily said:
Did Trump bungle the Coronavirus response because his fanbase was saturated with anti-vaxx, 5G irradiates viruses, denialism lunacy and didn't want to lose their support?
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No, why would he give a fuck about those people? They're not going to vote Democrat no matter what he does.

He bungled it because lockdowns hurt corporate margins.
 
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Lou’s Biggest Fan said:
The corporate establishment of which both democrats and republicans have been part of for generations have spent every waking moment since their inception pushing this idea that America is a competition and every single person besides yourself is a rival. The intention behind this was mostly just Union busting but also it was meant to keep the working class on a much larger scale from being willing to interact in any meaningful way with itself, making it much, much harder to challenge the control of the ruling class, no matter how bad things got. This then bled over in to social scenarios in general, and was capitalized on during the Cold War where the US government at the behest of corporate elites began using fear of communism in propaganda as a vehicle for getting people to be opposed to pretty much anything that involved the many working together to benefit the whole. It also helped create a nationalistic identity where one could look at all the deaths caused by communism and go “it was because of communism!” but then look at all the deaths caused by capitalism and be able to ignore them going “clearly they just didn’t work as hard as me!” or be able to see declassified operations in which the US stages coups and assassinations to destabilize successful socialist nations and still go “no that’s communism and that’s why they failed!”. The name of the game is to keep the working class convinced that this is the only way to do things and it is the best way to do things and that change will result in mass death and the destruction of western society, even if that just means everybody gets healthcare like they do in the rest of the developed world with no issues.
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This mindset is dying though, even among the right. OWS caused our benevolent billionaire class to shit their pants and immediately began stoking racial tensions as a diversion. It worked sadly as Blackrock and other equity investment firms now snaps up homes for sale to establish a permanent renter class and everyone is at each other’s throats worse than ever. America is much worse off in 2021 than in 2011 and that would be a universal bipartisan consensus too.
 
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Truthboi said:
Then again you Trumpcucks are no different from the Sanders/Biden cucks thinking that your old man is better than the other old man who will help you yet threw you fags under the bus when convenient.
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Hey now, Biden is a cool guy! No COVID, no kids on my lawn, no malarkey! Neoliberalism for life!
 
Lest we forget how the US had a hand in getting rid of Allende in Chile and putting Pinochet in power.

Of course, these days we can't get rid of leaders we don't like so easily. We tried to proclaim Guaido as the legitimate leader of Venezuela, but he doesn't seem to have any actual support there. They got rid of Morales in Bolivia and now he's back. And does anyone remember that hilariously incompetent coup against Maduro last year?
 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
Lest we forget how the US had a hand in getting rid of Allende in Chile and putting Pinochet in power.

Of course, these days we can't get rid of leaders we don't like so easily. We tried to proclaim Guaido as the legitimate leader of Venezuela, but he doesn't seem to have any actual support there. They got rid of Morales in Bolivia and now he's back. And does anyone remember that hilariously incompetent coup against Maduro last year?
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Yeah, don’t know if Allende would actually be the better option, unashamed Marxists are dangerous.

The fact that Trump couldn’t get rid of Maduro, of all people, is hilarious though, considering the guy is borderline hated, has ruined his country worse than Chávez ever could and wasn’t even the guy who got elected, just an appointee of Chávez.
 
FuckingDogs4Living said:
Yeah, don’t know if Allende would actually be the better option, unashamed Marxists are dangerous.

The fact that Trump couldn’t get rid of Maduro, of all people, is hilarious though, considering the guy is borderline hated, has ruined his country worse than Chávez ever could and wasn’t even the guy who got elected, just an appointee of Chávez.
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That doesn’t necessarily mean he is capable of being overthrown though. The same thing happened with Hugo Chavez in the early 2000s. There was also no actual evidence Guaido would have been a more competent leader. The fact that Maduro pretty much treated him like a nobody instead of a legitimate threat and that there was almost no support of him from Venezuelans is a sign that he would not have been any kind of solution.

However it’s unlikely Trump had anything to do with this. The CIA likely briefed him that they were going to try to overthrow Maduro and install a western-friendly puppet and Trump liked the idea because he was desperate to be liked by the alphabet agencies and wanted any kind of victory. The alphabet agencies are hopelessly incompetent these days so they failed here. I seriously doubt Trump had any actual involvement though, mostly because it involved doing more than Tweeting at 3 AM about it.
 
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NeoGAF Lurker said:
That doesn’t necessarily mean he is capable of being overthrown though. The same thing happened with Hugo Chavez in the early 2000s. There was also no actual evidence Guaido would have been a more competent leader. The fact that Maduro pretty much treated him like a nobody instead of a legitimate threat and that there was almost no support of him from Venezuelans is a sign that he would not have been any kind of solution.

However it’s unlikely Trump had anything to do with this. The CIA likely briefed him that they were going to try to overthrow Maduro and install a western-friendly puppet and Trump liked the idea because he was desperate to be liked by the alphabet agencies and wanted any kind of victory. The alphabet agencies are hopelessly incompetent these days so they failed here. I seriously doubt Trump had any actual involvement though, mostly because it involved doing more than Tweeting at 3 AM about it.
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The CIA had nothing to do with it. They had trouble acquiring enough guns for everyone, and food. This wasn’t a CIA op.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
America is much worse off in 2021 than in 2011 and that would be a universal bipartisan consensus too.
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This is what a lot of politicians don't seem to understand. Things can't keep going the same way because eventually shit will just fall apart.

Look at how many people just fell out of the labor market permanently after 2008 or how many people are currently in rent arrears and only have a place to stay due to the CDC eviction moratorium. Hell there's currently a nationwide shortage of chlordiazepoxide due to so many people starting to drink heavily during the pandemic (this is the drug that's used for outpatient detox.) Things are legitimately not great for a large portion of people living in the US.
 
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Raging Capybara said:
Those weren't cases of successful socialist nations though. They were shitholes before and became slightly less of a shithole later.
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Yes, because nothing says "less of a shithole" than a government that oppresses its citizens while enacting economic polices that fuck the working class over.
 
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Raging Capybara said:
Those weren't cases of successful socialist nations though. They were shitholes before and became slightly less of a shithole later.
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I’m a social democrat, but what I’d really like is basically what we have now except for some more protections against corporations fucking us in the ass without lube and more government benefits/protection for the underprivileged (or in the case of things like UHC or infrastructure, all of us). Ideally with politicians who give a fuck, but just getting it done at all would be fine.

I really do think that that’s ultimately what most of the left really wants. Very few of us want full blown socialism, and those who do are usually idiots.
 
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Kornula said:
It saddens and angers me that you Trump hating libtards have zero clue on how badly you're ruining America the world and yourselves.
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Kornula said:
I look forward to reading about you being shot up at the next mass shooting event.

that was a joke.. just like the joke you made about CRT
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What's the point of going into a thread just to shit it up for orange man
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
That's part of it. Trump catered to the conspiracy right-wing nutjobs, and also wanted to look "tough", so he downplayed it as much as he could.
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I don't think he even considered it that much. I think he just doesn't like unexpected change (because he is old and his brain had its last new thought in 1998) and he really doesn't like people telling him what to do, because he thinks he is the smartest boy in the room and cannot abide people who make him feel differently. When people who weren't part of his inner circle of handlers started telling him that there was a new virus and he had to do X and Y, he had a tantrum about it and did the opposite. Occasionally someone was able to convince him by coaxing and flattering to do something positive (like tweet about wearing masks) but then something else would remind him of all the mean doctors and scientists who thought they knew better than him, and he would go back to denial and tantrums.


John Merston said:
But Trump did comfort them. He repeatedly asserted that the virus wasn't a big deal and that you had no reason to worry about it unless you were 90 years old with terminal cancer. Boomers liked that because it played to their deep-seated unwillingness to handle any sort of adversity or inconvenience.
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Trump never comforted anyone during his entire presidency, and his followers liked it that way. They like being terrified and angry, or at least they are used to it and don't want to change.

The 'covid is harmless' narrative was never there to provide comfort, it was there to give people an excuse to be angry about yet another thing (lockdowns, mild inconvenience, and so on)
 
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