Ethan Klein / h3h3Productions - Opportunistic, two-faced e-celeb sperg with a penchant for hypocrisy and an Oedipus complex; sold out to Susan Wojcicki, the incompetent CEO of YouTube

[Red_Cap]

They had an agreement and Sam wasnt part of the agreement.

How do people not get this?

Only rationale I can come up with is they're used to people pulling this shit when the other side is being a massive faggot. I remember when Quartering was trying to lure Jim onto a stream with some gay ops about getting his chat flooded with 1488 memes and Keemstar had to backdoor Jim into a stream so they could have the confrontation. People are expecting the same rules used in their backyard wrestling to apply to all other encounters.

 

[LeCoq]

Why leftists are comparing college students giving their consent, siting and debating calmy without any constraints to a grifting e-celebs who try to insert himself ? That’s retarded. College students and professors are technically part of the smartest people in United state. They are not defenless babies who cannot articulate their own thought. You could ask "So, in his Change my mind, why most of his oponent are retard?" It is quite simple: Dunning–Kruger effect, the stupidest students overestimate their debate skills and have more chance to decide to site and talk with Crowder. It is not Crowder's fault if idiots are always the loudest. That don't seem someone giving Crowder a taste of his medecine to me.

That being said, I think Crowder is a retard, so I'm quite surprise that nobody have own him yet. Nobody is not the exact word, because a random natsoc, Yusef (cf. Change my mind: socialism is evil), have made him loss his cool. Some of Yusef's argument was not good, but just the fact he have his owns opinions and was not some cookie-cutter SJW was sufficient to make him loss it. Plus, Crowder is slimy and his Change my mind are full of shit and shitty tactics. From memory, I can list three of them.

Spoiler: Crowder slimy behavior

• Everytime he talks about Québec, he lies (cf. his videos about canadian healthcare system) and knows he can get aways with it, because his audience is mostly unilingual english speaking americain who don't care enough. He don't care about what french canadians think, because they are not his targeted audience.
• When his opponent have more profound disagrement, he ends the conversation.
• On one hand, Crowder claims that Change my mind is educational and encourage civil discourse. On the other hand, he focus on his opponent's mistake and meltdown like a bread dead reality show.

I would love more than anyone to see Crowder humiliated, but it is simply not the case. The fact some people think it is an humilation puzzle me.

 

[Barbarus]

No one is going to watch Steven to see the leaks, unless they do the rounds that is on twitter. So as far as the undisengenuous just normal lefty twitter spergs are concerned crowder agreed to jump on ethans stream and debate as he is the debate guy who will debate anyone.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

This is a tactic to create or give the impression of popular support for banning Crowder. He tried to do the same with Keemstar and to some extent to Pewdiepie. It's like this cartoon, Ethan hoping Crowder will say something against them that will get him banned.

Bullseye.

That's what this entire thing was about for Ethan. He was never interested in a debate or a civil discussion about anything. Ethan has been on record bragging about his connections with the higher-ups at YouTube, and he tries to get people banned all of the fucking time. That's what he's planning to do with Crowder.

Even though he lied and acted like a snake, he expects applause and asspats for his cowardice because "the ends justify the means" to people like him. It's gross, it's far from cool, and it doesn't make him the good guy in this stupid fight. At all.

 

[ManletPower]

-"Man" is fearless and intelligent, destroys libtards and lefties.
-Goes on Podcast to "debate" lefty, ends up finding another, even though all of them are supposed to be idiots. Viewer numbers are irrelevant. Not only is he on the h3h3 platform, Crowder regularly speaks to nobodies, and Sam is hardly unknown. Not as well as the podcast itself, but what of it.
-Fearless "Man" acts autistically, calls his dad or some random manlet, and flees a lefty for... unexplained reasons.
-Fearless "Man" victimizes himself "I was lied to!" "That wasn't part of the deal". It sounds as if he was about to be beaten up by a professional boxer, even though all he had to do was dispel and a libtard's lies, supposedly.

It really is simple.
What was the worst that could have happened if Crowder stuck to the debate? If he had, there would be no argument at all. Ethan would simply look slimy and Crowder would have epically owned two leftists. Unless Crowder shat his pants and was proven an utter fool, just as other cows like Sargon of Akkad or the Quarterpounder would have.

But no. He fled instead because he can't deal with people with more than one brain cell, which is the exact amount Ethan and Sam Who have combined.

We have already established that you, yourself are a spineless coward who tried to portray himself non-bias but after plenty essays on H3h3's thread to attack Crowder and bring years old instances to try and excuse how Crowder was totally bigger coward in this, you can no longer hide it. That makes you a dishonest hack but welcome to kiwi farms, we can never run out oflolcows!

You try and make it bigger than it is because you have autistic hate boner for Crowder but I can easily debunk each and one of your points because I know it shatters your autistic view on the situation:
- Your autistic points would be accurate if he, himself would claim he is fearless and intelligent and regardless who h3h3 brings to debate him, he'd "DESTROY" them. But instead, DMs show that Steven has been more than friendly in this situation and charitable. What you're doing right now is, try to portray him as a cocky person so calling him coward would be easier. But unlike you, I like to put things in context regardless of who it is.
- I know that your bias world view might make you think that Crowder thinks all leftists are idiots (you might be judging from yourself? I mean your arguments make zero sense whatsoever), but he hasn't claimed that at all and DMs provide evidence how he's even given Ethan plenty of props. To steelman you, he did claim h3h3 would be a lay up but they went back and forth prior to debate and then in a friendly manner agreed to said conditions in DMs, Steven even gave him props for "entering the ring" and agreed to a respectful conversation (not some 2 on 1 yelling match) which makes h3h3 even a bigger snake after the fact.
- An autist calling a behavior autistic does not really earn you any points especially since you think lying about the offer h3h3 accepted (only him and Ethan discussing the situation, no "gotchas" etc..) somehow makes him entitled not to be upset about it however h3h3 hiding behind Sam and yelling at Steven "coward" isn't autistic behavior in your eyes.
- I know a person like you would never understand what a victim complex is but those facts are actually true: he was lied to and it wasnt part of the deal. If you think pointing out that makes him autistic it just goes to show how you're a bias smuck who alligns with spineless cowards. In fact, the only one who seems to have suffered with victim complex is h3h3, he is a grown adult yet thinks he's so weak of a debater that he can't defend his own arguments and points so he has to bring another grown ass adult to do talking for him as if he's on trial or some shit.

"What was the worst that could have happened if Crowder stuck to the debate?" Ah I see, you're even dumber than I thought. If h3h3 was planned to debate Steven Crowder and Crowder brought in some racist twitter dude with 1 follower on twitter, I wonder if that would make him entitled to debate him. If h3h3 ran away, I know a spineless coward like you wouldn't call him coward but if he debated him he had nothing to gain from it because it'd be free publicity for the racist dude. H3h3 would not be entitled to his time and if you think he would, then you're obliged to reply to my every reply otherwise you're a coward (according to your logic). Are you the type to get into endless twitter battles, calls other cowards but never leaves his house (I'd assume) ?? Based on the premise that Crowder and racist dude would both lie to him, he can happily not oblige. I wonder if there was ever situation where you didn't oblige the offer/request that was provided to you but then again you do seem to be spineless type that would do as he is told.

 

[FakeishNamedicoot]

Why are motherfuckers getting buttmad that people are shitting on ethan more than steven in the ethan thread? Like, that shit should be obvious fam.

Idk much about crowder other than change my mind memes. And for this thread i don't fucking need to. All i need is to see ethan acting like a faggot, which he was beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Make a trashfire thread if you want to debate who the bigger faggot is you tripleniggers.

 

[quickthrowaway]

He don't care about what french canadians think

This sounds pretty based to me.

 

[ManletPower]

Shot

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Holy shit, this will make for some good memes. COWARD KEEM!!!!!

 

[GenericYuserName1997]

It was crowder apparently. Picked on a clip that H3 did. From there they went at it on twitter and set up a 'debate'. It was so cringe. Apparently, they were supposed to debate before but they (crowder) knew Sedar might come on since he ended his show earlier. He then 'rescheduled'. Crowder's reaction was just fucking cringe. Cowardly Crowder ended up taking the Camera off him and bringing on some fat manlet. Despite that, it just devolved in to a yelling match. Crowder like others have said could have continued, by leaving he placed the ball in Sedar and Ethan's court, where Ethan explained he's not informed; he's not smart; if crowder wants to debate why not do it with someone that is. That makes sense.

If Crowder is there to debate masks/Fauci/vaccines why does it matter who he goes up against though? Crowder comes off like a total pussy ass bitch in this situation imo. H3 just comes off as unprofessional... but given their content that shouldn't be surprising.

as boring as everything you just said is, you’re probably a seder fanboy.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

Ethan's retarded remaining fans actually think Ethan running away and hiding like a little bitch while some emaciated soyboy protects him from big mean scary Crowder is some kind of win. Fucking pathetic. I'm glad the full Crowder episode that exposed this is also blowing up.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

According to the politicon organizers, and later Gavin McInnes.
I don't have to do "admit it was 50/50" because there wasn't even a debate. It was an unfunny internet comedian trolling a different unfunny internet comedian with the help of some youtube news anchor. Crowder made himself look awful. I'm not going to cut him slack because you like him.

If what Seder wants is attention and viewership, do you think he'd have gotten more of it through a boring 30 minute debate? Or a 30 minute shoutfest that instantly went viral? If his goal was to not give Seder attention, he did a pretty poor job of that as well. He challenged Ethan to a debate specifically because he knew Ethan was a dumbass that wasn't going to be able to defend a position coherently. The reason he was so pissed isn't because he was cleverly 5d chessing Seder out of what he wanted. The thing immediately went viral. How are you going to make the argument that this was somehow depriving Seder of the attention he was supposedly lusting for? I can guarantee that not as many people would've known about this going down and therefore known about Seder if they'd just had a reasonable 10 minute back and forth about the issues before Crowder tells him 'look, I didn't ask you to be here, you're kinda invading on my show, I'm going to need to stop this segment' or whatever.

That's all well and good, but his word doesn't matter. Yes these college kids go on this show because they're idiots who think they know more than they actually do. I never disputed that. I just don't think I need to respect Crowder for owning them when he prepares for these discussion through rehearsal of specific talking points that he always guides the discussion towards. As soon as you realize that he brings 5 or 6 specific rehearsed points that he then guides every single conversation of a segment towards, any illusion that these are good faith, spirited debates between two people wanting to exchange ideas disappears like Crowder does when he hears Seder's going to be in the same zipcode as him.

1) Politicon organizers? Some names would be nice, because otherwise it's just rumors. And it's really fucking hilarious that you would trust Gavin McInnes, but wouldn't give Crowder benefit of the doubt, that's RICH.
Either way, it's not even a question whether Crowder, among others, are avoiding Ceder - dude is like an obsessive stalker. His whole shtick is goading people who's more prominent than him into "debates", it's clear that no one should give this cuck a time of day.
It's the implied reason, that people who refuse to give him platform are supposedly "afraid" of "debating" him. All the while there's a different, completely justifiable reason as to why people don't want him around - he's a grifter, and ultimately not interested in any sort of good faith discussion. There's no point in giving him what he wants, as I said before. Best you can do is tell him to fuck off.

He challenged Ethan to a debate specifically because he knew Ethan was a dumbass that wasn't going to be able to defend a position coherently

"Challenged"? Interesting that you put everything in the adversarial context here. Ethan was invited to talk and sort out ongoing autistic feud like adults, giving him opportunity to defend his position. Instead he pulled this gay ass shit, and him being retarded does not justify it. He betrayed trust extended to him.
It's irrelevant whether Ethan is stupid or not, there was an agreement in place. He's an adult and was supposed to honor it.
To you Crowder's entire motivation seems to be to dunk on easy prey to impress stupid conservatives, instead of a good faith discussion, and you view everything through that lens. It's your problem, honestly.
Ethan deserved ridicule he got over his stupid comments, and acted like a goddamn child since. He ain't a victim.

That's all well and good, but his word doesn't matter. Yes these college kids go on this show because they're idiots who think they know more than they actually do. I never disputed that. I just don't think I need to respect Crowder for owning them when he prepares for these discussion through rehearsal of specific talking points that he always guides the discussion towards. As soon as you realize that he brings 5 or 6 specific rehearsed points that he then guides every single conversation of a segment towards, any illusion that these are good faith, spirited debates between two people wanting to exchange ideas disappears like Crowder does when he hears Seder's going to be in the same zipcode as him.

This is just ridiculous. I've watched plenty of these, I don't remember Crowder high-fiving his crew over owning some college students.
He just sits down and talks about specific topic. What you call "rehearsed specific talking points" is called an argument, if you didn't know. You could argue whether they're wrong, but then you'll have to be specific. It's all conjecture on your part, you ascribe malicious intent while it's entirely plausible that there's none.
I've had enough of this shit. I don't like him as much to justify spending all this time defending him, and whatever you might think of me, I'm confident that I'm being fairly objective here.
I don't harbour animus toward him, that's about it.

Edit: Correction. Ethan was actually the one who reached out to Crowder, according to released emails.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

No one is going to watch Steven to see the leaks, unless they do the rounds that is on twitter. So as far as the undisengenuous just normal lefty twitter spergs are concerned crowder agreed to jump on ethans stream and debate as he is the debate guy who will debate anyone.

If you look at Crowder's video on this, it has vastly more likes than dislikes even with the clearly astroturfed extra dislikes. Lefty Twitter might fall for this shit, but most people will try to hear both sides and realize Ethan is lying.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

the left's reaction to Crowder is probably the most baffling thing to me about all of this. it's just pure, unfiltered hatred and it's almost scary that people can be this easily propagandized. honor and truth isn't even a concept to these people. they honestly believe in their heart of hearts that ethan being so inept and retarded is actually a legitimate copout to 2 v 1 ambush someone after buttering them up and talking about each other's children and health.

The weirdest thing is their rational. Ethan and Crowder agreed to a fair debate - cool. It’s possible they can have an adult conversation and not play gotcha games.

As soon as Ethan brought in Sam it was obvious the game had changed. It wasn’t the civil debate Crowder agreed to and therefore the debate would change to one of blood sports. Crowder obviously made that clear which is why he was not civil, threw insults and cut the debate short.

Now the left and Ethan are suddenly confused. Why oh why did Crowder run away from having a civil debate if he could’ve won?

Its because you changed the gameplay, idiots. You wanted Jerry Springer so you got Jerry Springer. Don’t bitch about how Ethan and Sam just wanted a civil debate with Crowder when that was never the intention.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

My favorite is how everyone is treating it like it some sort of win just because steven doesn't debate sam. Why hasn't he debated sam in the past and why is it such s big deal?

A nobody getting on the stage with a big channel is already a win for the nobody. That's why he denied him. Sam could have shown up, Crowder could have taken him on and spent an hour dancing on face with Sam gargling cocks, and Sam would have been the ultimate winner.

Because it's about being a clout chasing grifter.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

If you look at Crowder's video on this, it has vastly more likes than dislikes even with the clearly astroturfed extra dislikes. Lefty Twitter might fall for this shit, but most people will try to hear both sides and realize Ethan is lying.

There's a hair more dislikes than normal. Ethan's ego must have been truly bruised for him to try this hard to whip up a mob. In the end, it amounted to a minor blip on Crowder's radar. Pathetic.

Ethan really can't take it as well as he dishes it out, and he can't dish it out well even pre-recorded.

 

[RhodesianInternetUser]

>Why does H3H3 get so much support from YouTube
Do the people asking this not realize the CEO of YT (Susan) is a Jew who had been photographed hanging out with Ethan? It's bascially tribal nepotism

 

[BlackDragoons]

A nobody getting on the stage with a big channel is already a win for the nobody. That's why he denied him. Sam could have shown up, Crowder could have taken him on and spent an hour dancing on face with Sam gargling cocks, and Sam would have been the ultimate winner.

Because it's about being a clout chasing grifter.

The way Steven reacted was like seeing a man going on an episode of Jerry Springer and getting a surprise visit from the guy who diddled him as a child.

I have never seen him react the way he did to Sam and it was fucking funny.


Also Steves first mistake was even agreeing to debate Ethan in the first place. What a fucking idiot.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

The way Steven reacted was like seeing a man going on an episode of Jerry Springer and getting a surprise visit from the guy who diddled him as a child.

I have never seen him react the way he did to Sam and it was fucking funny.


Also Steves first mistake was even agreeing to debate Ethan in the first place. What a fucking idiot.

You mean how he laughed at Sam and made fun of him while Seder looked like his soul was dying?

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

Why are motherfuckers getting buttmad that people are shitting on ethan more than steven in the ethan thread? Like, that shit should be obvious fam.

Because to some lefties every encounter is WW2. I see so much of "guys plz ratio this transphobe" on twitter I'm beyond doubt that spergazoids like that come to YouTube, 4chan, Facebook, myspace and even this godforsaken shithole.

In a way Ethan going full political leftist is a good move because there is always an untapped market of retards with a belief that if he's their guy they must simp no matter what.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

Because to some lefties every encounter is WW2. I see so much of "guys plz ratio this transphobe" on twitter I'm beyond doubt that spergazoids like that come to YouTube, 4chan, Facebook, myspace and even this godforsaken shithole.

In a way Ethan going full political leftist is a good move because there is always an untapped market of retards with a belief that if he's their guy they must simp no matter what.

I regularly see people on Twitter quote-tweet other people for the express purpose of getting their retard followers to dogpile them. It's not only a nasty tactic, it's also really pathetic.