General GunTuber thread

[Club Sandwich]

because they realize that their collections of NFA and Class III will immediately lose value

i've been dealing with NFA items for nearly a decade now, and before then i was pretty ingrained into the local gun scene where i live. i've never met anyone who professed to like the NFA at all. this includes people with 6 figures into NFA items. they basically don't care in the same way a classic car collector largely doesn't care - it's a giant moneypit to own unless you never touch it and genuinely treat it as an investment. and the people that afford to do that, are instead using the money on real estate or stock trading (commodities market), which is where you want to be to increase your investment value.

frankly the argument that there is a secret cabal of lobbyists that all have super rare valuable MGs or whatever is difficult to believe.

 

[White Devil]

frankly the argument that there is a secret cabal of lobbyists that all have super rare valuable MGs or whatever is difficult to believe.

It's not even that. I've just seen these same guys whine on forums for almost that same amount of time that if Hughes got repealed, they'd lose their precious investment, and it IS an investment to them even if they are actually shooting the guns. No one's comparing the keep Hughes crowd to boomers that own 50 M1 Garands that they don't fire and jack the market price up.

 

[Club Sandwich]

I've just seen these same guys whine on forums for almost that same amount of time that if Hughes got repealed, they'd lose their precious investment, and it IS an investment to them even if they are actually shooting the guns.

maybe it's an internet forum thing. i've never met anyone like that irl at MG shoots, at ranges, in training, while teaching, among friends, et c.

a $20k RR SP1 is a drop in the bucket compared to majority collectors, and other than someplace like subguns, i'm not sure there's a good spot of info on people like that. there's some "that happened" screenshot of "TG" complaining about how he went to medical school and bought the guns and didn't want to lose money (like, he's a doctor, he's not going to be poor any time soon, he's just an asshole), but i'm not sure of the origin or veracity of that screenshot.

remember when thehighroad melted down over 1911forum declaring Kimber a pile of shit during their drinking years between 2005 and 2010?

 

[UVB-76]

Man's name is Higa and Karl really went ahead and spelled it "Higga".

 

[WhoBusTank69]

The people who properly invest in NFA items aren't usually the type to interact with the peasantry, let's be real about that. We're talking Spielberg and other Hollywood types who have entire rooms full.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Alot of the Investment grade machine guns are not going to be any more common if the NFA was repealed. Where are new Mg34s, STG44s, weird SMGs, Maxims and so on going to come from?

 

[White Devil]

Alot of the Investment grade machine guns are not going to be any more common if the NFA was repealed. Where are new Mg34s, STG44s, weird SMGs, Maxims and so on going to come from?

Lets ask HMG.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The people who properly invest in NFA items aren't usually the type to interact with the peasantry, let's be real about that. We're talking Spielberg and other Hollywood types who have entire rooms full.

I don't think they're largely those types, besides them being a visible minority with a known background in media or the military. You never really know a guy until he decides to show you his machinegun stash.

Except on FW, every "investment-grade" MG I've personally encountered only saw daylight maybe twice in 20-30 years... with their families having no clue; especially not spouses & children; buyer/seller & brother/executor-only priveledge. And given the rarity of them, owning one or two examples has already cornered the market, so they don't need or want an entire room full.

But like I said, now is the time to be watching auctions. Covid put the kibosh on a lot of them, but at the same time has pushed a lot of guns onto the market, a lot sooner than they otherwise would've been.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Man's name is Higa and Karl really went ahead and spelled it "Higga".

Only a Higga can call another Higga Higga.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

See, I'd accept that line of thinking when it comes to anything else, but guns are generally quite regulated; legally-defined antiques are another matter, of course, but those are generally well off. We've got a limited supply and further imports are bottlenecked by the likes of Classic and RTI(IO Inc) so there's some backstabbing thrown into the mix. It's a clusterfuck of legality in an otherwise enjoyable hobby.
I don't blame them for publishing research that nobody else bothers to do, again, but it definitely disturbs the balance in a noticeable way that they absolutely can't help.

I agree with everything you have said, but I still don't see this as any one else but the government's fault.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Cokeman bumpfires indoors and discusses Brandon Herrera.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

The people who properly invest in NFA items aren't usually the type to interact with the peasantry, let's be real about that. We're talking Spielberg and other Hollywood types who have entire rooms full.

james earl jones litterally has a warehouse of guns. he has or had, a significant amount of the WA2000's that were imported.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I agree with everything you have said, but I still don't see this as any one else but the government's fault.

It is solely and absolutely their fault. But the market for milsurp expands every year for different reasons from being cheap to being weird to being mentioned by awkward ponytail man/funny fat glasses man.
I can yell at the void if I want to, I want that without an argument.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

It is solely and absolutely their fault. But the market for milsurp expands every year for different reasons from being cheap to being weird to being mentioned by awkward ponytail man/funny fat glasses man.
I can yell at the void if I want to, I want that without an argument.

I feel you man, I want my cheap SKS and Kar98s and Enfields and K31s and Mosins and Krags and Arisakas and Steyrs and everything else back too.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I feel you man, I want my cheap SKS and Kar98s and Enfields and K31s and Mosins and Krags and Arisakas and Steyrs and everything else back too.

I've got no personal interest in collecting 'surp, but there's been a great disturbance ever since. Everyone wants to bitch and moan about who did what/who wants what rather than direct their ire to the government.
I just find it interesting, and have been since the earlier days of Forgotten Weapons set off old time collector forums.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I used to love milsurp more than anything because it was cheap and good. Now it is neither.

 

[make_it_so]

Youtubers didn't kill the milsurp market - panic buying post-Sandy Hook did.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Youtubers didn't kill the milsurp market - panic buying post-Sandy Hook did.

I don't even think it was that; the milsurp market suffered a natural heat death; albeit accelerated by the internet and .gov interventions, one way or another. Classic gunshows vanishing was a massive symptom, and I saw a lot of parallels in them with malls; and the boomers propping them up starting to die in droves, as did mall retailers.

IMO the final nail was the choking off Slavic sources, as well as those from Asia before that. The last-gasp milsurp boom of the early '00s would've come a lot earlier had the 90's never happened, and that only lasted simply because so many Mausers & Mosins were made; but the supply was always finite.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I don't even think it was that; the milsurp market suffered a natural heat death; albeit accelerated by the internet and .gov interventions, one way or another. Classic gunshows vanishing was a massive symptom, and I saw a lot of parallels in them with malls; and the boomers propping them up starting to die in droves, as did mall retailers.

IMO the final nail was the choking off Slavic sources, as well as those from Asia before that. The last-gasp milsurp boom of the early '00s would've come a lot earlier had the 90's never happened, and that only lasted simply because so many Mausers & Mosins were made; but the supply was always finite.

And WWII/really early Cold War is honestly the last batch of milsurp we're ever likely to get in anything approaching decent quantity. Everything after that is too tacticool for import/export laws to be cool with.

 

[MG-34]

Youtubers didn't kill the milsurp market - panic buying post-Sandy Hook did.

Video games helped. I remember young Cowadoody players buying up Mosin Nagants, Nagant Revolvers, Tokarevs in the late 2000s because of video games. Same crowd would buy up PSLs thinking they were SVDs. Granted PSLs were sub 500 dollar guns back then and not a bad fun gun.