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[Syntaxion]

jerry coyne wants to know something i've wondered for a long time now.
why does he (& everybody else) get more grief when questioning trans dogma than race dogma?:

... there’s no doubt that when I question whether transsexual women who have undergone no medical intervention should compete in women’s sports, or tell people to read Abigail Shrier’s book, I get far more pushback than when I agree with something that John McWhorter or Glenn Loury says. The pushback comes partly in the form of blog comments (including the really nasty ones that I don’t put up), as well as personal emails and comments in my Twitter feed. (I tend to not read Twitter comments but sometimes can’t resist.)

In other words, there’s something about criticizing transsexual dogma that seems to raise people’s hackles far higher than criticizing some assertions of Ibram Kendi, Robin DiAngelo, or Critical Race Theory.

Now there’s room for pushback from all sides, as no one issue has to completely dominate political and ideological discourse. But I’m surprised at the greater rancor attending those who raise questions about transsexual issues than about racial issues—at least when it comes to me. Another friend I discussed this with sees the same disparity. A staff lawyer for the ACLU, for instance, has called for the banning of Abigail Shrier’s book on gender dysphoria, but nobody on the ACLU, at least as far as I know, has called for any book on race to be banned.

My question is this: why the disparity? Why are critics of so-called “transphobes” so much more rancorous than critics of Kendi or CRT? Is this just my own personal experience and not a general observation? And if it is general, why, given the relative number of people involved in both issues, why? Is there something about transsexuality that makes its advocates especially defensive or offensive?

I can’t think of a reason, so I just thought I’d ask the readers.
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some good answers, made me wonder if any farmers in his commenters:
I guess the obvious answer is misogyny. Transsexual ideology empowers white males (as if that group needed more power) as it gives them yet another weapon with which to silence, harass and denigrate females. Questioning ideology that elicits an often violent reaction.

I’m absolutely not saying all or even most trans people are misogynist – but the vocal “trans-allies” who dish out abuse are almost always misogynists.
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Could it be a most likely this is a hangover from their male days with testosterone and propensity for violence as a problem solver. Of course we now know that this is not possible since they are now women.
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I note your comments about pushback and people tending to be aggressive towards dissent. I suggest there is also a ‘fashion’ element driving this. Historically some people have pushed their membership of the ‘in crowd’ (that dates me) by wearing uncomfortable clothing, holding radical views, consuming dangerous substances, listening to weird music or plays, and behaving in an extreme manner.

Clearly if some people are going to risk their health for the sake of a fashion then others must be in the most horrid class of all – the unfashionable. They are beneath contempt for not taking fashion seriously.
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99 mostly-smart reactions. check em out, farmers.

EDIT also quillette: Standing Up to the Gender Ideologues: a Quillette Editorial
people starting to question the okeydoke

Because race dogma has *some* origin in reality. Like yeah, the US used to have slavery and segregation. But troon dogma is complete fantasy, where you have to forego every sense of reality to understand it, to never ask questions.
Hence why the pushback is so strong when you oppose them. It can't stand on it's own, and it certainly doesn't survive any debate or discussion.

Edit: I don't agree with some of the reactions. No, they don't pushback on dissent because "they hate women". Sure many troons do, but that's not the answer to the given question. And no, it's not because "muh white males" neither

And on top of that it's an ideology promoted top down by powerful individuals, so you're outgunned anyway.

 

[Owner of a Lonely Hole]

Today's bitching: The Term™ "trans widow" and the bigots who divorce them:
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Cross-posted from Rat King thread.
Had to. I almost A-logged over the blatant fucking misogyny and misandry. Both. This guy is an artist of epic gender retardation.
To wit: Women who marry men who come out as trans after the fact should have known because their husbands….were sensitive and not stereotypically masculine?
How is this even not shot the fuck down as regressive thought? It’s so offensive on just about every level.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

All of these people just need is somebody to talk to, to rely on.

True, but that's exactly the kind of person sick troon cultists are looking for to "crack their egg" aka groom them to join troonhood.

 

[behindyourightnow]

nazis held 'progress' back by cracking down hard on all things related to sexual deviancy
there was an 'institute for sexual research' in berlin in the 20s and 30s, with a bunch of homos and crossdressers living there. then the nazis came, drove the head professor (a jew) out of the country, sent the homos and proto-trannies to concentration camps, and burned all the literature

Large elements of this narrative are cope for people who think the based Natsocs are going to come back and save them again from the evil American Weimar. The Nazis kept up with issuing crossdressing certificates that allowed people to change sex on official documents, although they did crack down on anything that looked like homosexual behavior. They also fucking loved drag for some reason, but then again everyone seems to have loved it in the 1940s.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Give us your uteri, bigoted cissies!

 

[Syntaxion]

The Nazis kept up with issuing crossdressing certificates that allowed people to change sex on official documents,

Do you have any source on this? I tried googling but only the Weimar institute pops up
According to this: https://aha.confex.com/aha/2020/webprogram/Paper27446.html crossdressing was, atleast technically, illegal. Certainly not outright supported by the government like you claim

Up until now, historians have focused on the Nazi State’s persecution of gay men under Paragraph 175 of the penal code. Yet a separate law, Paragraph 183, criminalized “cross-dressing.” At times people were charged under this law alone

I searched some more, I did find a singular case of what appears to be a women allowed to keep "male" on her identification, but it seems to have been an isolated case, maybe intersex? Apparantly she had a masculine voice and look.

The Early 20th-Century ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe From Harassment

The radical days of the Weimar Republic, just before the rise of Nazism.

www.atlasobscura.com

I can't find anything about nazis allowing people to have crossdressing certificates or changing their sex on official documents...

 

[Schatzi Katze]

nazis held 'progress' back by cracking down hard on all things related to sexual deviancy
there was an 'institute for sexual research' in berlin in the 20s and 30s, with a bunch of homos and crossdressers living there. then the nazis came, drove the head professor (a jew) out of the country, sent the homos and proto-trannies to concentration camps, and burned all the literature

This bullshit "nazis destroyed all the trans research!" talking point needs to be put the fuck to sleep. I've heard it irl from a number of handmaidens at this point and it really seems to be the first line of defense for why there's a suspicious black hole of information when it comes to historical records on trans people. It's admittedly a great little catchall point because they are essentially arguing the absence of evidence but jokes on them there's actually some surviving texts and Magnus Hirschfeld really seemed to be more of a Ray Blanchard than a John Money. Which is to say he studied gay men.

Someone waaaay back in the thread mentioned Die Transvestiten, which is a surviving summary text of Hirschfeld's research (the source research did indeed get destroyed). Here's an English writeup on it for anyone interested.

@tessasteatime on twitter has been demanding trans women recieve uterus transplants and a bunch of troons are siding with him. its a rather common talking point.

probably from all the ftms they trick into getting full hysterectomy
that way even the push for the trooning of little girls goes back to benefit the male trannies

This talking point needs to go too, though it does a great job of single handedly laying bare the medical ignorance of trans identified men as well as their utter disregard for the struggles of natal women. Uterus transplants from woman to woman are both incredibly recent (the first successful one being in 2014) and incredibly rare. The only reason to GET a uterus transplant is to have a child "naturally", which in itself is a particularly depressing bit of sex-based psychological oppression that only women will experience, and the uterus is taken out immediately afterwards. There will never be uterus transplants into male bodies. Period.

How do you feel about troons, kiwis?

Spoiler

For my part first I felt sympathy they can never be the thing they want, then I felt hatred that as a population they're terrible people responsible for so many modern ails, but now I feel like hating them is like hating a dog for having rabies. Something should have saved that dog from tragedy.

Spoiler: minor PL retrospective

Been thinking about this a lot lately. Over a decade ago I was a part of some communities online with higher than average trans presences and always chalked it up to those people either coping with mental illness or severe trauma and going trans was a way for them to either change or get new control over their lives. Their struggles with mental illness were sympathetic and I'm supportive of gender non-conformity ala androgyny so I was generally supportive as long as they weren't self-obsessed assholes.

Then the SJW tidal wave came in around 2015-2016 and all of a sudden the rhetoric went from "I just feel comfortable this way and want to live my life in peace" to "TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN" "ITS MAAAAM" bullshit and I realized that while the kind of trans people I knew still existed, their identity had been largely overtaken by the loud, entitled, women fetishist type. I still want to believe most trans people are mentally ill people who just settled on a really weird coping mechanism but honestly I'm even starting to question that now.

The push towards "trans kids" rhetoric is what really peaked me, though. The "puberty blockers are harmless and reversible!" line sent off alarm bells so I did some research and didn't have to dig much at all to find enough data to be absolutely horrified at the fact this shit is being given to children. Then I saw how many people were happily, ignorantly repeating such harmful misinformation and I fuckin snapped. Trans ideology as it stands right now is harmful to women, gay folks, and children, and every day it feel like im on crazy pills looking around and seeing how many people still dont realize this.

Thank you kiwis for help keepin me sane lol.

tl;dr used to think they were just mentally ill folks who found a weird coping mechanism, and crossdressers were fetishists but secure in their gender/sex, but the current taxonomy has melded these groups together to make everything worse for everyone except the fucking fetishists who are having a ball.

 

[Throwing Romans]

Physically impossible. The reason you have to dilate an amhole is not just because of the potential for scar tissue.

Spoiler: NSFW anatomy diagram

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A woman's pelvis has a wider pubic arch and a larger pelvic cavity. The muscles in the pelvis and abdomen are therefore both anchored in a different way and also are different shapes. These muscles have to be forced apart to accomodate an amhole, and the muscles try and move back to their original position. This decreases over time (a trans woman who had the chop years ago might only need to dilate once a week, whereas fresh out of surgery it's twice a day).
If you want to cram a uterus inside a man you're going to run into similar issues.

Don't worry about the anatomical problems, there's actual fucking doctors who think this should be a thing.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Do you have any source on this? I tried googling but only the Weimar institute pops up
According to this: https://aha.confex.com/aha/2020/webprogram/Paper27446.html crossdressing was, atleast technically, illegal. Certainly not outright supported by the government

If you google 'Transvestitenscheine' you might get more hits. There is not a lot of scholarship available on the subject in English because queer historians are not falling over themselves to focus on Nazis doing the 'tolerating trans people to avoid anyone being gay' thing. It's not being actively suppressed, but it is skimmed over because who wants to publish that in today's environment? So Google translate has to be your friend.

This is just a reddit comment but it has links to good German sources at the end:

r/AskHistorians - Comment by u/commiespaceinvader on ”Were there any transgender people in the Holocaust?”

2 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Transvestite pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Transvestitenschein – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

(look at the difference in length between those two Wikipedia articles. The English one does not specifically mention the Third Reich at all although it does admit that the certificates were issued until the 1950s. The English version also seems to downplay the number of certificates issued. I wonder what was going on behind the scenes in the edits.)

I am definitely not an expert on this subject and I would be interested to know if the certificates really were issued to crossdressing heterosexuals (as in, AGPs) as well, as the English wikipedia article seems to say.

 

[it's called nyotaika]

Give us your uteri, bigoted cissies!
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this shit and "uterus transplants are as important as abortion rights!!!" is the malest fucking garbage i have ever seen.

"freedom to control sexual autonomy people are trying to take is licherally equivalent to me getting what i want!!!"

someone ask them if uterus transplants for trans women are more important than uterus transplants to barren women. i have a feeling the answer gon' be "yes, because i deserve it more."

 

[07.]

Give us your uteri, bigoted cissies!
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She has a Pinterest (X)

And a Twitch (X)

 

[Fetish Roulette]

This gives me hope, pure hope. This 16yo kid is being "de-trannied" live on YouTube.
/pol/ raided the livestream and then started trolling the kid, but after some time they've been talking to him. And now he's rethinking his actions.
Whatever the hell did this, did a good job.
I mean, this kid needed a father figure to talk to.
He was a confused and lost in this... contemporary world and his family just didn't cared about him or his interests. He taught himself to love himself. And that makes me think a lot. All of these people just need is somebody to talk to, to rely on.

Goddamn, have things really gotten so bad that /pol/ has to act as a positive force? That's an indictment in and of itself.

 

[Syntaxion]

This bullshit "nazis destroyed all the trans research!" talking point needs to be put the fuck to sleep.

But it's not bullshit, they DID destroy that institute and most of the research, just apparantly not all of it

If you google 'Transvestitenscheine' you might get more hits. There is not a lot of scholarship available on the subject in English because queer historians are not falling over themselves to focus on Nazis doing the 'tolerating trans people to avoid anyone being gay' thing. It's not being actively suppressed, but it is skimmed over because who wants to publish that in today's environment? So Google translate has to be your friend.

This is just a reddit comment but it has links to good German sources at the end:

r/AskHistorians - Comment by u/commiespaceinvader on ”Were there any transgender people in the Holocaust?”

2 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Transvestite pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Transvestitenschein – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

(look at the difference in length between those two Wikipedia articles. The English one does not specifically mention the Third Reich at all although it does admit that the certificates were issued until the 1950s. The English version also seems to downplay the number of certificates issued. I wonder what was going on behind the scenes in the edits.)

I am definitely not an expert on this subject and I would be interested to know if the certificates really were issued to crossdressing heterosexuals (as in, AGPs) as well, as the English wikipedia article seems to say.

To be honest, not only does the English wikipedia not mention it at all, the German wikipedia basically gives 2 books as it's source. A book written in 2013 and another in 2010. Meanwhile we can point to actual laws stating it was illegal. There's no other sources on this subject, really, nothing from like the 50s or so. On top of that there's no info about it anywhere else.

And your reddit link basically uses the same books as source. Apparantly 25 MtFs during the period, but not one is named. One FtM is named but that's the same one I mentioned in my previous comment, but since she supposedly had a very masculine voice and look, I think she could easily have been intersex.

ofcourse I haven't read the books but from the links you send, it sounds vague imo

Like this:

What is curious is also that it appears that in 1940 so-called Transvestiteballs were still held in Berlin and enjoyed over 300 visitors, all of them cross-dressing apparently.

"it appears" "apparantly"
Meanwhile I can't find anything about this transvestiteball that took place in Berlin in 1940 with over 300 visitors. Who were these visitors then? He knows how many there were but not their names?
Something like that, if it were actually documented, would prove it almost instantly, but it's vague writing of something that may or may not have happened

Sounds like "masturbation machines at Auchwitz" tier writing

Edit: one of the authors literally works for the "Magnus Hirschfeld society"

Dr. Rainer Herrn

magnus-hirschfeld.de

 

[Eat to the beat]

The thread title says side shows and if this isnt a freak clown I dont know what is. How does a human body form like this? Hes not even that fat.View attachment 2293197

Honestly, I didnt even notice.

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Not one but two, woefully underused hairbrushes to hand. Maybe he gets dysphoric using mirrors. Yes that ‘ll explain it.

 

[Schatzi Katze]

But it's not bullshit, they DID destroy that institute and most of the research, just apparantly not all of it

1. Then not all of it was lost.
2. It wasn't all about trans people.

Don't fall into their trap, friend. I never said the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft wasn't burned down, but the talking point of "Nazis destroyed all the trans research" is extremely fucking disingenuous and is actively used as a cop-out for the current lack of available research into trans psychology. Hirschfeld wasn't fuckin crowned sole keeper of the world trans knowledge, he was just a gay men who researched other gay men.

 

[Polytetrafluoroethylene]

She has a Pinterest (X)
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Minor nitpick but I'm pretty sure that Pinterest belongs to a different Tessa. I seem to recall Tessa the womb-hungry troon saying he was from Australia? I could be mistaken.

 

[DumbDude42]

This gives me hope, pure hope. This 16yo kid is being "de-trannied" live on YouTube.
/pol/ raided the livestream and then started trolling the kid, but after some time they've been talking to him. And now he's rethinking his actions.
Whatever the hell did this, did a good job.
I mean, this kid needed a father figure to talk to.
He was a confused and lost in this... contemporary world and his family just didn't cared about him or his interests. He taught himself to love himself. And that makes me think a lot. All of these people just need is somebody to talk to, to rely on.

16 year old adopting /pol/ as his father figure will end up all kinds of fucked in the head
still better than falling down the tranny rabbit hole, at least the internet nazi larpers will leave his cock and hormone levels intact

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Ultimately I wish no government would validate troons by allowing change of sex identification in their documents. I don't care about people wearing clothes that are seen as of opposite gender. I don't even care if people gets the chop as long as they can accept all the risk and know it's a mutilation - and won't really change your sex. By validating into the delusion of these people you gave them platform where they can screech and ask for even more. (The initial identification was allowed, through the pretense that it's to make them feel better at airport and such where their 'appearance' didn't match the ID, but people were bad at clocking trannies. But in reality, I thought it's more like the Nazis, is too hide away the homos from society.)

Side Note : My AGP friend (the same guy who wear goth getup to camping trip) seemed to keep spiraling down more and more into insanity. He still kept his easily annoyed, judgemental sociopath personality and thought it as totally a cool thing to be. Thinking it made him an edgy alt girlboss who knows better. (Even at one point he seemed to semi-realise it drove people away.)
But like other troons we see here, now he started to refer to himself in third person as a women, . And it's hard to get him out of it because he's working in the field of design, full of troon-cocksuckers creative. It's always creepy to see him pop on my Facebook.

Anyone thought of why most AGP seem to like referring themselves in 3rd person?

 

[Frencel]

Trans representation makes it to the front page of Twitch with a clean dick tuck

 

[AssignedEva]

The initial identification was allowed, through the pretense that it's to make them feel better at airport and such where their 'appearance' didn't match the ID, but people were bad at clocking trannies. But in reality, I thought it's more like the Nazis, is too hide away the homos from society.)

I recall this too; I may be off base but I think trans people said they were concerned the mismatched ID would "out" them and expose them to violence.
Now it's just framed in terms of dysphoria and e.g. Kevin is never going to get outed by his passport because anyone can tell. This is also how we've ended up with "X" as a gender neutral indicator on some government IDs around the world, which is literally the opposite of trying to avoid outing them.

Anyone thought of why most AGP seem to like referring themselves in 3rd person?

That's a red flag for autism when kids do it.