The Final Fantasy Thread

[Berrakh]

They'll change Cid's relationship with Shera. Although that's a good thing, even playing the original as a kid that felt uncomfortable. I get what they were going for with him being bitter towards her, but it came of as abusive.

Yeah. They edited out Tseng slapping Aerith so I’d be surprised if Cid wasn’t toned down. Tbh they have a good opportunity to have it both ways. Cid generally just stews resentfully but maybe Shera spills his tea on his lap and then he starts loudly cursing about her.

 

[Captain Syrup]

They'll change Cid's relationship with Shera. Although that's a good thing

Might as well write Shera out entirely, then. When does it stop?

All girl timeline where everyone is a girl.

This better not awaken anything in me.

 

[Berrakh]

You know, I give I give and I give. I give Square an easy way to have it both ways and still it’s no good.

anyway I wanna continue on this point

That last bit is just what Square does...
Their characters went from people who did things, to people who did things with a backstory, to having important backstories that inform the situation they're in, to just walking backstory dumps.

You start with characters who have no backstory or the most basic backstory such that it barely explains their commitment to battling evil.

then some more backstory, giving them more rounded personal motivations and fleshing out key character relationships

then further you have a situation where the character’s backstory is important to the main plot in some way. Not to the point where it overshadows what they’re doing outside of that but a little extra content

nowadays it seems like nothing of significance will happen to our characters unless it was in some way seeded or established by a backstory. The actual conflict feels distant and hollow as well. Just some perfunctory video game expectation. So their new relationships or new tribulations feel almost perfunctory instead of being additional reasons for their investment in the main conflict.

 

[verissimus]

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“FF9 is the most important game in my life, so I'm really excited about the news that it'll become an anime.

I want to see Freya's strange dance in the anime. I'm so happy."

Not a big fan of MHA, but he has good taste.

Why isn’t he making the show?

Not a fan of either and yet I feel like the guy has captured the characters and their design perfectly in those sketches. Maybe Square should replace Nomura with him.

 

[Captain Syrup]

You know, I give I give and I give. I give Square an easy way to have it both ways and still it’s no good.

Huh when you put it like that, it sounds like an abusive relationship

 

[Berrakh]

Huh when you put it like that, it sounds like an abusive relationship

remembering the advice I was given. Smile, shake hands, try not to call anyone a cunt.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Smile, shake hands, try not to call anyone a cunt.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Even Beatrix, someone who many would consider a "STRONK WOMEN" goes through the same kind of arc as Steiner and beats herself up over failing to do something about Brahne sooner and not being able to stop Alexandria from being wrecked. It took Steiner to convince her not to leave at the end.

Also her backstory is pretty cool, she apparently got bodied hard by Steiner and it made her train like mad to become powerful while Steiner apparently got lazy.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Still funny to me that a basic remake of ff7 could have printed money and not been prohibitively expensive and been guaranteed to succeed but they did this. I'd say it shows artistic integrity but I almost collapse laughing as the words leave my mouth. Just look at how raped ff7 is already.

Even if they had made a faithful recreation of 7, I guarantee you it would have been broken up into several parts, and not just because of greed. All of the backgrounds were just pre-rendered images in the original, which is why each area looks unique and has a lot of details, since they no longer had to use tile sets. However, it also means they have to spend a lot more effort to recreate each area. Games like the Mana remakes were easier because they were smaller, world-wise, and the use of tile sets in the original meant the remake could use the same design for multiple areas each. If they ever remake 8 or 9, they will have the same problem.

 

[Snekposter]

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Oh, the irony given how fond she is of settling issues with her fists.

 

[Berrakh]

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Even if they had made a faithful recreation of 7, I guarantee you it would have been broken up into several parts, and not just because of greed. All of the backgrounds were just pre-rendered images in the original, which is why each area looks unique and has a lot of details, since they no longer had to use tile sets. However, it also means they have to spend a lot more effort to recreate each area. Games like the Mana remakes were easier because they were smaller, world-wise, and the use of tile sets in the original meant the remake could use the same design for multiple areas each. If they ever remake 8 or 9, they will have the same problem.

I think they'd have an easier sell without a lot of baggage they're very likely to screw up.

Oh, the irony given how fond she is of settling issues with her fists.

Not really. Everyone resorts to violence lol. It's entirely in character for her to not want to rock the boat.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I think they'd have an easier sell without a lot of baggage they're very likely to screw up.

I'd sooner just axe the non-essential quests. Break it up into two parts. Aerith and post-Aerith.

So far they've done nothing but add bullshit.

This attempt at "modernising it" will fall flat in a few years.

 

[Shield Breaker]

You know, I give I give and I give. I give Square an easy way to have it both ways and still it’s no good.

anyway I wanna continue on this point

You start with characters who have no backstory or the most basic backstory such that it barely explains their commitment to battling evil.

then some more backstory, giving them more rounded personal motivations and fleshing out key character relationships

then further you have a situation where the character’s backstory is important to the main plot in some way. Not to the point where it overshadows what they’re doing outside of that but a little extra content

nowadays it seems like nothing of significance will happen to our characters unless it was in some way seeded or established by a backstory. The actual conflict feels distant and hollow as well. Just some perfunctory video game expectation. So their new relationships or new tribulations feel almost perfunctory instead of being additional reasons for their investment in the main conflict.

FF1 was essentially a D&D campaign (I'm not kidding) . They slowly added their own things to make it their own, but somewhere around X it became way too anime inspired.

 

[Snekposter]

Not really. Everyone resorts to violence lol. It's entirely in character for her to not want to rock the boat.

Yeah, I know her job is to make sure everyone has their eye on the goal, but its still just funny to see that specific line.

 

[Berrakh]

Yeah, I know her job is to make sure everyone has their eye on the goal, but its still just funny to see that specific line.

It is? Not sure about that.
Maybe here or there but not as a stable, consistent trait.

I'd sooner just axe the non-essential quests. Break it up into two parts. Aerith and post-Aerith.

So far they've done nothing but add bullshit.

Now top it off with some stupid side-haircuts. This attempt at "modernising it" will fall flat in a few years.

Agreed.

 

[Captain Syrup]

somewhere around X it became way too anime inspired.

Larger-than-life type heroes work best in games with an action focus. This genre, fundamentally, is about starting at the bottom and grinding your way to the top.

Yuna is a greenhorn, and Tidus is so hopeless that he needs to fake amnesia. The personalities weren't at odds with the gameplay, which is always a plus. That might be the whiskey nostalgia talking, though.

 

[Pissmaster]

Internet Historian has a super secret channel where he explains games and he did FF7 and it was very entertaining so here you go, keep the channel a secret plz ssshhhhhhhhhh

 

[Berrakh]

It's harder to relate to, that's for sure. This genre, fundamentally, is about starting at the bottom and painstakingly grinding your way to the top.

I think this is why I like 12 more than most sane people do. It feels like it has the right balance still.
And X is pretty good about backstory. Tidus' past with Jecht and whatever was going on with Shuyin was a good way of adding weight to his adventures. But the obvious reason he's in this for the long haul is Yuna pussy.

 

[Shield Breaker]

I think this is why I like 12 more than most sane people do. It feels like it has the right balance still.
And X is pretty good about backstory. Tidus' past with Jecht and whatever was going on with Shuyin was a good way of adding weight to his adventures. But the obvious reason he's in this for the long haul is Yuna pussy.

I hated Tidus because of his daddy issues. Like, Jecht was a bad father, but holy shit, get over it. I'm convinced Yuna only had sex with him because she was convinced they were going to die and the other candidates were her BFFs boy, a furry, or a zombie.

 

[Berrakh]

I hated Tidus because of his daddy issues. Like, Jecht was a bad father, but holy shit, get over it. I'm convinced Yuna only had sex with him because she was convinced they were going to die and the other candidates were her BFFs boy, a furry, or a zombie.

Whether Tidus was likable or not is a separate question. I didn't like him either. I just think the balance of backstory in his character and journey was good.
He's a microcosm of my issues with X as a whole: tone deaf