It never ceases to amaze me how often a passing troon turns out to have been abusing photoshop and/or filters. And what's the thinking here? That people won't notice the discrepancies either in between photos or irl?
They're involved in fantasy role play. It's no different to someone having a Fursona avatar and pretending it is them. The problem is that they want everyone else in the world to join in on their fantasy role playing.
TLDR: Some troon nigga was out with his handmaiden gf, a dude punched the woman, the troon bolted even though one, that’s his gf, and two, he has a TAZER on him.
For my part first I felt sympathy they can never be the thing they want, then I felt hatred that as a population they're terrible people responsible for so many modern ails, but now I feel like hating them is like hating a dog for having rabies. Something should have saved that dog from tragedy.
This bullshit "nazis destroyed all the trans research!" talking point needs to be put the fuck to sleep. I've heard it irl from a number of handmaidens at this point and it really seems to be the first line of defense for why there's a suspicious black hole of information when it comes to historical records on trans people. It's admittedly a great little catchall point because they are essentially arguing the absence of evidence but jokes on them there's actually some surviving texts and Magnus Hirschfeld really seemed to be more of a Ray Blanchard than a John Money. Which is to say he studied gay men.
Someone waaaay back in the thread mentioned Die Transvestiten, which is a surviving summary text of Hirschfeld's research (the source research did indeed get destroyed). Here's an English writeup on it for anyone interested.
This talking point needs to go too, though it does a great job of single handedly laying bare the medical ignorance of trans identified men as well as their utter disregard for the struggles of natal women. Uterus transplants from woman to woman are both incredibly recent (the first successful one being in 2014) and incredibly rare. The only reason to GET a uterus transplant is to have a child "naturally", which in itself is a particularly depressing bit of sex-based psychological oppression that only women will experience, and the uterus is taken out immediately afterwards. There will never be uterus transplants into male bodies. Period.
Been thinking about this a lot lately. Over a decade ago I was a part of some communities online with higher than average trans presences and always chalked it up to those people either coping with mental illness or severe trauma and going trans was a way for them to either change or get new control over their lives. Their struggles with mental illness were sympathetic and I'm supportive of gender non-conformity ala androgyny so I was generally supportive as long as they weren't self-obsessed assholes.
Then the SJW tidal wave came in around 2015-2016 and all of a sudden the rhetoric went from "I just feel comfortable this way and want to live my life in peace" to "TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN" "ITS MAAAAM" bullshit and I realized that while the kind of trans people I knew still existed, their identity had been largely overtaken by the loud, entitled, women fetishist type. I still want to believe most trans people are mentally ill people who just settled on a really weird coping mechanism but honestly I'm even starting to question that now.
The push towards "trans kids" rhetoric is what really peaked me, though. The "puberty blockers are harmless and reversible!" line sent off alarm bells so I did some research and didn't have to dig much at all to find enough data to be absolutely horrified at the fact this shit is being given to children. Then I saw how many people were happily, ignorantly repeating such harmful misinformation and I fuckin snapped. Trans ideology as it stands right now is harmful to women, gay folks, and children, and every day it feel like im on crazy pills looking around and seeing how many people still dont realize this.
Thank you kiwis for help keep me sane lol.
tl;dr used to think they were just mentally ill folks who found a weird coping mechanism, and crossdressers were fetishists but secure in their gender/sex, but the current taxonomy has melded these groups together to make everything worse for everyone except the fucking fetishists who are having a ball.
the funny thing about the point of trans research being destroyed by nazis is that there was one actual uterus transplant into a man where he died pretty early in as you can imagine, and the scientists who did it went on to become nazis known for their freakish experiments. troons r just as unnatural as they’ve always been.
The entire issue of there literally not being space in the male body for a growing baby, the fact they'd have no choice but to put the body through a c-section on top of the trauma from the implant of it, and the whole mess of organ rejection is there even any suggestion the baby would be able to form an umbilical cord so it doesn't just die?
I mean, I'm not an expert on this but there are a ton of nerves and shit that are hard to sew up and connect and what have you, and on top of that I don't know enough to guess how the umbilical cord properly forms and such. I imagine a male body wouldn't be conducive to it though.
I'm pretty sure pregnancy requires an intricate balance of hormones to keep the baby alive and safe. So much shit goes on during pregnancy. I'm sure injections can't replicate that, even if uterus implants somehow worked. And like, how would breastfeeding and such work?
Also a stinkditch simply could not be used as a birth canal, if they're gonna claim that. Vaginas themselves are basically like a muscle and can dilate to 10cm when the baby's head comes out. We all know stinkditches bleed while simply dilating. Real women tear during labor, and that shit is elastic. Imagine what would happen to an amhole.
TLDR: Some troon nigga was out with his handmaiden gf, a dude punched the woman, the troon bolted even though one, that’s his gf, and two, he has a TAZER on him.
I feel like this one might be a troll. His 6 4 to her 5 3, the taser, the random man punching the gf, just all of it designed to infuriate readers. I think he's baiting them because he knows they can't call him out on his BS as rule number one is always affirm all troons.
I feel like this one might be a troll. His 6 4 to her 5 3, the taser, the random man punching the gf, just all of it designed to infuriate readers. I think he's baiting them because he knows they can't call him out on his BS as rule number one is always affirm all troons.
Oh I did too. In fact, the thought of him being a troll is even funnier for me as they're all forced to validate his "identity" no matter what. If u/terfsbeware has thought me anything, it's that there is no limit to the kind of degeneracy they will embrace.
TLDR: Some troon nigga was out with his handmaiden gf, a dude punched the woman, the troon bolted even though one, that’s his gf, and two, he has a TAZER on him.
Another coward using factious Intersex disorder, which isn't even an intersex disorder, to claim how girly he is despite being 6 foot 4, and I'm assuming extremely ugly.
The entire issue of there literally not being space in the male body for a growing baby, the fact they'd have no choice but to put the body through a c-section on top of the trauma from the implant of it, and the whole mess of organ rejection is there even any suggestion the baby would be able to form an umbilical cord so it doesn't just die?
I mean, I'm not an expert on this but there are a ton of nerves and shit that are hard to sew up and connect and what have you, and on top of that I don't know enough to guess how the umbilical cord properly forms and such. I imagine a male body wouldn't be conducive to it though.
Bodies reject other people's body parts and need a lot of convincing to accept them for any length of time, even successful hand transplants are prone to rejection years down the track.
The whole reason that mammals are mammals is that we make placentas that nourish the baby, remove waste and protect from infection while it grows to quite an advanced state inside the womb. Unlike marsupials (pouches) and egg laying animals.
The placenta is formed from the fetal cells and the woman's own cells.
Recreating something as advanced as a placenta is kind of impossible.
I'm pretty sure pregnancy requires an intricate balance of hormones to keep the baby alive and safe. So much shit goes on during pregnancy. I'm sure injections can't replicate that, even if uterus implants somehow worked. And like, how would breastfeeding and such work?
Also a stinkditch simply could not be used as a birth canal, if they're gonna claim that. Vaginas themselves are basically like a muscle and can dilate to 10cm when the baby's head comes out. We all know stinkditches bleed while simply dilating. Real women tear during labor, and that shit is elastic. Imagine what would happen to an amhole.
Yup. I mean, there are a lot of women today that are inexplicably infertile even with all the right bits attached from the very beginning. It might take some couples, without any preexisting issues, up to a year to get pregnant naturally and even when it works the risk of miscarriage is very high before the 12th week of pregnancy. All because it is such a complicated system of hormones and circumstance, not to mention the incredibly specific environment needed in the uterus for a fertilized egg to even attach in the first place. It truly is a miracle of birth, and no man will EVER manage to get pregnant and birth a baby. We will be producing babies in little slimy pods outside of the human body, the matrix style, before that's even remotely possible.
Worth noting that his mother has ADHD which is more significant than if the kid's father had it, as ADHD in women generally indicates greater underlying neurological abnormality, which in turn suggests a stronger genetic predisposition towards neuro-developmental disorders.
The evidence for actual detectable neurological abnormality is a bit patchier, but a better evidenced, analogous phenomenon has been observed with autism. I think this is largely because the subject hasn't been as extensively investigated because there are fewer sex differences in presentation compared to autism, hence less reason to conduct studies. However, since (at least certain presentations of) ADHD and autism are not necessarily clearly distinct conditions, with there being clear evidence of etiological similarity (e.g. shared genetic risk factors), then whatever is true for autism is likely to hold for ADHD.
The logic is fairly simple as well -- men are more attention-deficient, so less abnormality is needed to produce the functional impairments that lead to diagnosis.
I've always loved your post - so much researches put into things you're posting. Now I'd love to hear what is the REAL reason troonism is connected to autism. I think everyone knows this connection, but usually in mainstream, pro-troons news site seem to paint it as "Autists are not concerned to the social rules and can easily ditch the oppressive gender conformity to become their true selves, see!, they're very special" (to also promote the stupidity of Neurodiversity movement too) - and of course anyone here would know that's largely .
From what i've interacted wit autists, even the more high functioning one seem to still have something off, generally stiff speech. There's something that feels like their brain is 'running on the algorithm', like if they have strict rules in their head and if something doesn't fit they'll just go *does not compute*. This is very apparent in autism/aspergers subreddits, where the commenters seem to just can't understand OP's questions when something more difficult is asked, They'll just run on about their experiences that's vaguely related to the posts - with no attempt to humour or reply the OP at all. They seem to have tendency to believe in something so extreme without nuances. And as much as they like to speak against stereotyping autists as lacking in empathy or being robot logic machine. - They just kept doing those things without realising they're doing it. (As @itscallednyotaika said about their kind of empathy.)
So.. how does autists' mind actually work and how does that relate to troonism? - The two sacred hordes of the clown era we can't really question them.
The interesting and central fact about the autism-troonism connection is that it is an essentially universal one, it cuts across country, age, sex and even time. The problem with most explanations is that not that they are incorrect, but that they don't really explain very much. To explain the constancy of the connection you either need to believe that it just so happens that by coincidence that all the age or sex-specific factors that drive troonism correlate with autism.
This is - in my view at least - unlikely, but it's also an inadequate explanation in any case, as it seems that the strength of the correlation between different risk factors and trooning out is in some way positively correlated with autistic symptomology. Therefore, there must be an underlying psychological reason directly related to the core psychological differences that define autism.
In my view the most likely reason is that deficits in social-emotional reciprocity produce abnormal patterns of identity formation, and it's this that explains not only the aforementioned universality of the autism-troonism connection, but also a lot of other notably 'autistic' behavior. In context of autism, 'Social-emotional reciprocity' can refers to the ability to engage in normative reciprocal social behaviors like eye contact, sharing interests, displaying appropriate emotional acknowledgements etc.. Social-emotional reciprocity is central to how we form emotional (broadly defined) bonds and come to share reciprocally in the mental lives of others. You can thus also simply refer to the psychological failure to build connections with others as a deficit in social-emotional reciprocity.
A core feature of autism is such a deficit in social-emotional reciprocity, this is partly a function of capability, as difficulties with perceiving and processing social information make it difficult for autistsas reciprocity consists partly in responding and you can't respond appropriately to what you can neither see nor understand. However, the deficits observed in autism aren't merely due to a lack of social adeptness, but also a lack of interest. In fact, it's often the case that the differences in autists as being primarily one of motivation borne of an inability to find this kind acts of social-emotional reciprocity to be inherently psychologically rewarding; they aren't interested in this reciprocal sharing of mental and emotional lives for its own sake. This comes out clearly when you consider concrete manifestations of this deficit in social-emotional reciprocity. For example, autists notoriously struggle with 'small talk', or phatic communication generally, but there isn't a specific failure of capacity per se. They can be quite capable of holding some forms of conversation. The problem with phatic communication is that it is an exercise in social-emotional reciprocity, because this isn't psychologically rewarding, they find themselves unable to know what to say for want of motivation.
The consequences of this difference in psychology are pervasive and usually much more subtle as in everyday life you have options, you can choose to do one thing or another depending on your motivations. Small talk is unusual in that it is an activity where there is only one purpose. The result is that you don't observe deficits in social-emotional reciprocity don't appear immediately as problems of social aptitude, instead they manifest in the broader patterns of an autist's social life.
A good, and highly germane example of this that provides a natural segue into differences in identity formation, is the common patterns of friendship that you see in autists. In particular, there exists a pattern, especially common amongst relatively higher functioning autists to be able to make friends, but not deep or 'real' friendships. The friendships they form are limited to the context in which they were formed; they don't see friends from school outside of school, and they often lose their friends or drift into another group when the circumstances in which they became a member of a group change. So, for example, when they graduate from school or even just when Summer/Christmas break happens then they quickly lose contact with their previous friend group. This happens not because of obvious social incompetence causing them to alienate their friends, but because their lack of social-emotional reciprocity meant they didn't forge emotionally meaningful bonds, or develop shared interests in a way that strengthened the connection they had beyond the original coincidence of interests or place. Therefore once the coincidence came to an end then so did the relationship.
The failure to be interested in social-emotional reciprocity means that their connections with other people tend to remain shallow, and often instrumental in nature. Their interests, goals, feelings are not formed through the act of bonding with other people, but are discovered or decided upon independently.
I think it is very obvious from here that you would expect that the way autists both constructed and deployed identities would be significantly affected. Doubly so, because personal identity doesn't meaningfully exist independent of others -- identities are how we 'author' ourselves in relation to others. Autistic deficits in reciprocity deny them an important means of forming a social identity, and result in other means of identity formation dominating. Additionally, because shared identity is an important way in which we form deep, broad social connections of the sort that autists often struggle to develop then you will observe particular patterns in how autists deploy identities. All of these are etiologically relevant to why autists, in general, are so likely to troon out.
Firstly, deficits in social-emotional reciprocity results in a failure to share in identities developed by friends. Often their failure to develop a positive sense of identity through social interaction is coupled with sense of "faking", mimicking or pretending to share in the rituals of identity developed by their peers despite the fact that they don't share in them at a psychological level. The result of this is that autists often feel "unsure of who they are", "just wearing a mask" or that they're "hiding their true self". This is notoriously common in autistic girls, but it's common in boys as well.
The identities they do develop will tend to be hugely influenced by the type of media they consume whether that is social or broadcast, books, manga, music etc.. Non-autists obviously do this as well, but the fact that interpersonal forces in autists are much less significant profoundly alters the impact and role of non-social influences in identity development. Moreover, because of the tendency not to form interests in common and have differences in cognitive style, the influences that they are subject to are likely to be different. The intensity is also often different; autists are prone to all consuming or obsessive interests which can then dominate their identities.
The identities that they are drawn to will also often be different, because of both impaired social intuitions and their reciprocity deficits. Identities are ultimately for social consumption, even if we don't actually proclaim them and simply hold them privately, our attachment to them is influenced by our intuition as to their prestige/status and the connotations we attach to them. Faulty, or at least unusual, intuitions about the social world will cause autists to be drawn to strange identities. Moreover, they may also act out or express an identity for want of social nous and not even see how they are being perceived. The classic example of all this behavior taken to the extreme is ADF/Ahuyiva Harel. However, more often it turns up as autists falling into weird subcultures, shit like highly aesthetic political ideologies, metal head, emo/goth, fedora/trenchcoat wearing atheism etc. are good highly visible examples of this.
These sorts of identities can also be incidentally functionally useful to autists, because they provide a simulacrum of the desired broad, deep social connections that they lack. Adopting a prefabricated, all-encompassing identity then they can find themselves escaping that uncertainty over their sense of self, of either "faking" who they are, and potentially of loneliness generally. This works out doubly well because the communities that grow up around these communities are so full of other similarly autistic people. It's worth noting that this don't really cure their deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, it just mask some of the consequences by removing the need for developing shared interests or engaging in any sort of compensative behavior. In a way the identities serve the role that special interests serve in enabling autistic children to find friendships.
From this it becomes very obvious why autism is the one abiding comorbidity to troonism across lines of sex, age and time even beyond the presence of other underlying risk factors like some form of autogynephilia, social isolation/failure, anxiety issues or gender non-conformity. Although some such factor generally is invariably going to be present as this abnormal identity formation pattern isn't going to produce troonism problems on its own. This isn't usually too much of an obstacle because some risk factors seem quite common in autists and these days the places where autists gather end up infested with troons.
Hey women, if you want to be a good person please ask every guy you're going on a date with if they would date a transwoman. It won't be weird or anything. Its just unfair that weirdos have to deal with the shit they brought upon themselves by choosing to be weirdos, so let's all share it around
do you think he's mad, guys? i have the faintest suspicion he's mad.
edit: i was gonna leave it at that but a troon saying "what you can't handle is being confronted with the truth about your fucked up subjective reality" in all seriousness is just fucking hilarious.
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