The Great Twitter Meltdown of 2021 - Emulator creator Byuu bullied to death by HateSpeech™ forum, Twitter takes up arms (Still No Death Report)

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Will This Be Of Any Consequence?

  • Yes, Kiwi Farms terrorists will be publicly hanged

    Votes: 801 14.4%

  • Yes, Kiwi Farms will be shut down

    Votes: 101 1.8%

  • No, 41% the army has already taken 41% casualties

    Votes: 1,955 35.1%

  • No, this backfires and MATI goes viral

    Votes: 786 14.1%

  • REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    Votes: 1,927 34.6%
  • Total voters
    5,570
MissDrama said:
You're here telling me that 15 different new outlets made a story about this, claiming Near's suicide, without having any proof to back up this information? Damn. News pages are really fucked up.
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It's almost like the Lügenpresse is as bad as its reputation, just a pack of lying whores echoing each other's lies, endlessly, with absolute disregard for even the most minimal fact checking.
 
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Meat Target said:
Which is why I hope Near turns up alive. I wanna watch them eat their own shit.
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As long as they feel justified in their moral outrage, they will ignore and excuse any facts. And these people are content to wear their moral indignation right into their coffins, like a death shroud.

tl;dr Jannies need to gimme back the rainbow stickers, at least for this thread.
 
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Derrick Sobodash or D is a fan translator, and iirc, chinese journalist. He used to have a blog up online about some mundane shit, no idea if its up let alone if its any use but romhackimg dot net shouls have some more details i bet
 
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Suicide of Near[edit]​

I'm going to move this to the talk page per Primefac. @PhotographyEdits, Susmuffin, Berrely, and Blakegripling ph: I think that you are the most recent editors to the page, so tagging you here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • So far the arguments for including it center around coverage while the arguments against center around there being no confirmation of the death, if I understand properly. (I keep this page on my watch list, so thought I'd go ahead and start a discussion to get things rolling.) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Here's the coverage thus far:
  1. Kotaku
  2. Nintendo Life
  3. GameRant
I don't know if I missed anything, I'm trying to stick to just the sites known to be RS on here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)So far there are 2 sources (of which I find reliable) that talk about the sucicide and Kiwi Farm's association, and I'm not sure if there's any specific policy on this. Maybe WP:BLPCRIME is of use? — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Tentative with GameRant, they often overdramaticise stories, and their sister site, ScreenRant is generally unreliable with BLP related news per WP:RSP — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I don't edit super frequently on game topics so I sometimes forget which are or aren't usable when they pop up so frequently and visibly in a search. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
My largest concern here is the lack of confirmation. An individual made a series of posts that implied they were going to take their life, which I don't think anyone is disputing, and which is tragic in its own right. I know we may never get true proof-of-death, which is always an issue with these sorts of topics (be it a natural death, divorce, date of birth, or other things that don't usually get widely reported as part of a person's normal life). This could have been a cry for help, or only an attempt (i.e. they could be in the hospital now recovering), or they backed out at the last minute and are too ashamed to resurface online (the list goes on, and less charitable, so I'll stop there).There certainly could be room for including it as a "look what Kiwi did to this person" (i.e. the posts, the response, etc), but do we then include every such instance that makes the press? Primefac (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Maybe then the wording could be changed to make it sound less definitive? “In June 2021, following a series of posts claiming they were going to take their own life, SNES emulation developer "Near" was reported to have taken their own life due to harrasement received from Kiwi Farms” or something similar to that. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)I am not sure if it meets our requirements. Kiwi Farms is mentioned in passing in the Kotaku article. Meanwhile, the Nintendo Life article does not actually mention it. Instead, one of the embedded tweets discusses it. I do not feel that there is enough usable content here at this time. ―Susmuffin Talk 18:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)According to someone close to Near on Twitter, the police confirmed their death. In addition, supposedly the story was reported on Nippon TV, but I do not yet have a source for this. --73.78.27.163 (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Problem is, although it's very likely, we have no way of 100% confirming this. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Hopefully (from an RS perspective) if it's actually on Nippon TV someone else will pick it up. Primefac (talk) 13:20, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Here's a screen capture, if it helps. --73.78.27.163 (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)There's another coverage by an RS:
  1. Video Games Chronicle
On another note, GameRant is deemed unreliable on WP:VG/S (if it has any relevance here), also with what Berrely has mentioned above. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 14:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)That's just a rehash of the NintendoLife article, fwiw. Primefac (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)That's true. I'm just adding to the list of coverage we have so far. But to a certain extent, you can also argue that the articles are all more and less the same since they're all using almost the same primary sources (i.e. Near's tweets, the mutual friend's tweets). VGC just decided to cite Nintendo Life.By the way, it seems that the Nintendo Life's article as well as Kotaku has an update where the mutual friend had spoken to the police department. So take note of this, everyone. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Zero actual proof of him killing himself other than some google doc that literally anyone could make up. Probably best to take this off until there is some actual real-world proof of death Honey-badger24 (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Looks like the original google doc was deleted anyway. Didn't the police confirmed Near's death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.60.136.155 (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

DDoS[edit]​

To not go into edit warring, I'm asking you here first @Primefac:. I think the DDoS info can be move to the history paragraph, do you agree? It's not really a controversy indeed, but there is an independent source. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
I removed this primarily because it seemed a little UNDUE. As I said in the edit summary, DDoS attacks happen all the time; why is this one particularly notable? There doesn't seem to be any inciting incident or long-term ramifications, so I guess it just doesn't seem like something relevant or useful to keep in the article. If there was a reason (e.g. they pissed someone off) then it might make more sense to include it. Primefac (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Should we link?[edit]​

Given the activity this site engages in (the stalking, the harassment, the suicide-baiting, the actual body count) is it really ethical to have a link to the site itself here? Obviously people could google it themselves and get there that way if they really wanted to, but it seems like the best thing to do would be to give them as little oxygen of amplification as possible. 2601:601:9A7F:4A0:C46B:3B4A:A549:FF04 (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
It is encyclopedic to link to the entity's website. If people want to find it, they will find it even if we don't link to it. We shouldn't link to specific threads on the site, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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NoonmanR said:
Derrick Sobodash or D is a fan translator, and iirc, chinese journalist. He used to have a blog up online about some mundane shit, no idea if its up let alone if its any use but romhackimg dot net shouls have some more details i bet
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He mentions being a Chinese game historian, a newspaper editor, and reverse engineer.
Anyone got an IG account and autistic enough to shoot this guy a message about Byuu?
 
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It's almost like the Lügenpresse is as bad as its reputation, just a pack of lying whores echoing each other's lies, endlessly, with absolute disregard for even the most minimal fact checking.
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In the words of the prophet Hunter S. Thompson:
The press is a gang of cruel faggots. Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.
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He mentions being a Chinese game historian, a newspaper editor, and reverse engineer.
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He did show an imterest in bootleg chinese games in an old blog(i specifically recall him having to hex edit stat boosters in a very broken NES port of chrono trigger) it actually might be him.
 
vbssimp said:
Then they’re gonna have to find a way to permadown this site if a mass leak and ddosing wasn’t enough.
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Josh already said he will make an archive and Torrent it. After that, you can almost guarantee KF will have a hydra-like existence. I.E., PirateBays https://PirateProxy.pw
 
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