Anyone knows what's up with Bob and his hateboner for Bloobber Team?
I mean... Why them?
He keeps subtweeting them and making attack videos just because they made a game with a pedo in it, which is funny because him and void defended Tomm Hulett against the "toxic entitled Silent Hill fans" (Twin Perfect), and guess what the plot of SH Downpour was all about?
Anyone knows what's up with Bob and his hateboner for Bloobber Team?
I mean... Why them?
He keeps subtweeting them and making attack videos just because they made a game with a pedo in it, which is funny because him and void defended Tomm Hulett against the "toxic entitled Silent Hill fans" (Twin Perfect), and guess what the plot of SH Downpour was all about? View attachment 2278626View attachment 2278627View attachment 2278628
To make things as brief as possible:
The Medium is about this lady, Marianne, who is able to travel to the spirit world, enter the psyche/memories of others, yadda yadda. There's also this monster/demon called The Maw who you keep encountering, basically The Medium's answer to Pyramid Head.
Marianne ends up reuniting with her long-lost father and older sister, both of whom share her same abilities. You play as the father for a while and are shown some events from the past (the game has jumping timelines.)
The father was befriended by a man, Richard, only to discover Richard was only using him for access to his daughter. Nothing is explicitly shown, but it's very strongly implied Richard raped her.
Out of revenge/a search for an explanation, the father enters Richard's mind and views his memories. There he discovers Richard lived through WWII, and had a childhood sweetheart who was a Jewish girl caught and killed in the Holocaust. The game goes very far out of its way to make you feel sympathy for Richard, and it all but says it's okay for him to have molested his friend's child because of his past trauma.
We also learn The Maw is the personification of Marianne's sister's pain and trauma from being raped, but in a "hurt people hurt people" way. The game actually closes with the sister begging Marianne to kill her so she/The Maw can stop harming people. The Medium very much has a message of "trauma makes you hurt other people" which, according to a few people who commented on one of Bobvids' tweets about this, is A Thing in Poland. (Apparently Poland has kind of old fashioned views on mental health that feel problematic to people in the States.)
In a non-pedo-apologia way, Bob has also expressed his issues with Bloober Team for what he feels is plagiarism. He's made a video (https://youtu.be/I_uD7gxIF2s) calling Bloober out on elements he feels were ripped off from other games. (In particular he feels a lot of Layers of Fear was ripped off from PT)
My opinion, I wouldn't call it ripping off, so much as a really hamfisted attempt at homage. This comes up in The Medium a lot as well, there are a lot of things similar to Silent Hill 2.
Anyone knows what's up with Bob and his hateboner for Bloobber Team?
I mean... Why them?
He keeps subtweeting them and making attack videos just because they made a game with a pedo in it, which is funny because him and void defended Tomm Hulett against the "toxic entitled Silent Hill fans" (Twin Perfect), and guess what the plot of SH Downpour was all about? View attachment 2278626View attachment 2278627View attachment 2278628
To make things as brief as possible:
The Medium is about this lady, Marianne, who is able to travel to the spirit world, enter the psyche/memories of others, yadda yadda. There's also this monster/demon called The Maw who you keep encountering, basically The Medium's answer to Pyramid Head.
Marianne ends up reuniting with her long-lost father and older sister, both of whom share her same abilities. You play as the father for a while and are shown some events from the past (the game has jumping timelines.)
The father was befriended by a man, Richard, only to discover Richard was only using him for access to his daughter. Nothing is explicitly shown, but it's very strongly implied Richard raped her.
Out of revenge/a search for an explanation, the father enters Richard's mind and views his memories. There he discovers Richard lived through WWII, and had a childhood sweetheart who was a Jewish girl caught and killed in the Holocaust. The game goes very far out of its way to make you feel sympathy for Richard, and it all but says it's okay for him to have molested his friend's child because of his past trauma.
We also learn The Maw is the personification of Marianne's sister's pain and trauma from being raped, but in a "hurt people hurt people" way. The game actually closes with the sister begging Marianne to kill her so she/The Maw can stop harming people. The Medium very much has a message of "trauma makes you hurt other people" which, according to a few people who commented on one of Bobvids' tweets about this, is A Thing in Poland. (Apparently Poland has kind of old fashioned views on mental health that feel problematic to people in the States.)
In a non-pedo-apologia way, Bob has also expressed his issues with Bloober Team for what he feels is plagiarism. He's made a video (https://youtu.be/I_uD7gxIF2s) calling Bloober out on elements he feels were ripped off from other games. (In particular he feels a lot of Layers of Fear was ripped off from PT)
My opinion, I wouldn't call it ripping off, so much as a really hamfisted attempt at homage. This comes up in The Medium a lot as well, there are a lot of things similar to Silent Hill 2.
I don't think anyone's retarded enough to make a game saying it's okay to rape kids. Medium is certainly isn't the case, although I see the issues with its narrative.
While Richard's backstory is probably too cheesy (it was clearly inspired by Lolita and Rule of Rose, of all things. Another game people were accusing of rape apologism), I think people missed the point here. He was definitely portrayed as "likeable", but he actually met Thomas when he was a kid and he became a father figure to him, that's why Thomas was willing to trust Richard with his own kid. But the thing about Thomas is that he wasn't a good father to Lily because he was afraid she might hurt Marianne and he never taught her how to deal with her powers. And after she was molested, he locked her away and separated her from Marianne because he didn't know how else to deal with that. But nowhere in the game it's implied anything was Lily's fault or Richard's actions, and if I'm wrong please point me where the game states otherwise. I didn't see it as "trauma makes you evil" message, more like an importance of proper therapy, which Lily was denied. In a way this game is more about generational trauma when adults never learn how to deal with their issues and screw up their kids as a result.
It is true that in the post Soviet countries mental health isn't treated as seriously as in the US and only rich and privileged can afford therapists, middle and lower classes are basically told "If you can't deal with your issues yourself, you're a failure" or taught to drink their problems away. So in that aspect, Medium represents those issues realistically, especially in today's political climate perpetuated by Americans who romanticized the shit out of mental illness. No, it doesn't make you evil, but it's selfish and dangerous to deny trauma (especially from sexual abuse) will have no effect on you, this is the exact rhetoric abuse apologists love to perpetuate.
And I've watched the plagiarism video, honestly you can make the exact same argument about Silent Hill games, plenty of references there. Even Capcom was under fire recently, and they were revealed to be using unlicensed photographs as textures. That's probably closer to an actual crime than references.
I'm not saying it's a great game, but people are overreacting. Ultimately, video games should not be treated as a substitute for therapy, any kind of work is an extension of the author, not the audience, and it represents the author's view. Oversensitive and easily triggered should not be playing horror games anyway.
But let's not pretend Bob or Void care about any of this, they just want easy social justice points, just like they didn't give a fck about Tomm, they only used him to stick it to Twin Perfect.
But regardless, if the game is so triggering, what's the point of tweeting about it constantly, pretending you care about the supposed victims? I had a professional experience with the victims of child abuse and incest in the family, so I really don't need faggots like Bob to mansplain psychology to me, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Don't take this personally.
edit: Sorry this got off topic. My point was Void and Bob have a weird habit of reeeing at horror games (that aren't Silent Hill) for including mature topics like rape or incest (what is horror for then?). His obsession with Bloober is another thing, and it doesn't even bring him that many clicks. They made like five games.
I don't think anyone's retarded enough to make a game saying it's okay to rape kids. Medium is certainly isn't the case, although I see the issues with its narrative.
While Richard's backstory is probably too cheesy (it was clearly inspired by Lolita and Rule of Rose, of all things. Another game people were accusing of rape apologism), I think people missed the point here. He was definitely portrayed as "likeable", but he actually met Thomas when he was a kid and he became a father figure to him, that's why Thomas was willing to trust Richard with his own kid. But the thing about Thomas is that he wasn't a good father to Lily because he was afraid she might hurt Marianne and he never taught her how to deal with her powers. And after she was molested, he locked her away and separated her from Marianne because he didn't know how else to deal with that. But nowhere in the game it's implied anything was Lily's fault or Richard's actions, and if I'm wrong please point me where the game states otherwise. I didn't see it as "trauma makes you evil" message, more like an importance of proper therapy, which Lily was denied. In a way this game is more about generational trauma when adults never learn how to deal with their issues and screw up their kids as a result.
I think a lot of the problem here boils down to cultural differences. I agree that I don't in any way think their intention was to excuse or condone child molestation, I think there's just some cultural things happening here that maybe didn't translate well and end up inadvertently giving off unfortunate implications. Not gonna lie, it still makes me feel a bit ~uncomfy~ but I disagree with the people who think this was purposely made as an intentionally "pro-pedo" game.
(Also, didn't think about it while first playing, but now that you point it out I can definitely see the Rule of Rose influences on the story.)
And I've watched the plagiarism video, honestly you can make the exact same argument about Silent Hill games, plenty of references there. Even Capcom was under fire recently, and they were revealed to be using unlicensed photographs as textures. That's probably closer to an actual crime than references.
I totally agree. The Silent Hill franchise began as Konami's love letter to American horror. If you're going to go after Bloober Team for plagiarism, then Stephen King would like a word with regards to SH1's plot of a bullied girl with supernatural powers and her crazy religious mother.
Nothing is truly "original." Part of the creative process is taking the things that have inspired you and making them your own. Bob's own video brings up all the other companies and games that blatantly ripped off PT; I feel it's a little disingenuous of him to single out Bloober.
I'm not saying it's a great game, but people are overreacting. Ultimately, video games should not be treated as a substitute for therapy, any kind of work is an extension of the author, not the audience, and it represents the author's view. Oversensitive and easily triggered should not be playing horror games anyway.
But let's not pretend Bob or Void care about any of this, they just want easy social justice points, just like they didn't give a fck about Tomm, they only used him to stick it to Twin Perfect.
Their hateboner towards Twin Perfect baffles me. There are legitimate criticisms to make of TP, but in my opinion, a lot of this is just Bob and VB wanting to prove themselves as The Best Silent Hill Fans.
But regardless, if the game is so triggering, what's the point of tweeting about it constantly, pretending you care about the supposed victims? I had a professional experience with the victims of child abuse and incest in the family, so I really don't need faggots like Bob to mansplain psychology to me, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Don't take this personally.
Part of SJW ideology. Advocating for real victims is hard, it's easier to just rant about Game Bad. I got a not-so-subtle whiff of elitism from him as well; as I said, certain views on mental health are a thing in Poland, but he gives me vibes that he feels the US is so much more enlightened and compassionate.
edit: Sorry this got off topic. My point was Void and Bob have a weird habit of reeeing at horror games (that aren't Silent Hill) for including mature topics like rape or incest (what is horror for then?). His obsession with Bloober is another thing, and it doesn't even bring him that many clicks. They made like five games.
edit: Sorry this got off topic. My point was Void and Bob have a weird habit of reeeing at horror games (that aren't Silent Hill) for including mature topics like rape or incest (what is horror for then?).
This is also a good place to remind us that Void saw the parts of Outcast where one of the antagonists threaten to rip off a character's dick and immediately assumed this was problematic and transphobic because apparently not wanting a part of your body forcefully removed out of you means you're just afraid of becoming a woman. Same with a scene in Outlast 2 where the main character can get his dick ripped out by a pickaxe.
For people completely obsessed with horror, they seem to have a very hard time understanding how fear works, or that horror is a genre supposed to leave you uncomfortable. Anything that tries to be more mature than big spooky monsters or villains that are just cartoonishly evil seems like it either crosses the line for them, or they just assume it's trying too hard to be SH.
Bob realized that his most popular content mocks bigger more popular content than himself with the EWWEWW videos. I actually liked the first 2 he did like that but hes so fucking annoying its not worth following his content and it got stale fast.
This is also a good place to remind us that Void saw the parts of Outcast where one of the antagonists threaten to rip off a character's dick and immediately assumed this was problematic and transphobic because apparently not wanting a part of your body forcefully removed out of you means you're just afraid of becoming a woman. Same with a scene in Outlast 2 where the main character can get his dick ripped out by a pickaxe.
For people completely obsessed with horror, they seem to have a very hard time understanding how fear works, or that horror is a genre supposed to leave you uncomfortable. Anything that tries to be more mature than big spooky monsters or villains that are just cartoonishly evil seems like it either crosses the line for them, or they just assume it's trying too hard to be SH.
The fact she thinks a scene of a man being cut from the groin-up via table saw is equivalent to sexual reassignment surgery speaks volumes about her actual knowledge regarding the same procedure.
It's a butchering either way, but at least the surgeons have the common decency to use a scalpel.
They were also harassing Guy Cihi (even before he turned out to be Covid denier, apparently) because he found James sympathetic, which ofc makes him a rape apologist. SH2 elitists almost made me despise the game.
This is also a good place to remind us that Void saw the parts of Outcast where one of the antagonists threaten to rip off a character's dick and immediately assumed this was problematic and transphobic because apparently not wanting a part of your body forcefully removed out of you means you're just afraid of becoming a woman. Same with a scene in Outlast 2 where the main character can get his dick ripped out by a pickaxe.
For people completely obsessed with horror, they seem to have a very hard time understanding how fear works, or that horror is a genre supposed to leave you uncomfortable. Anything that tries to be more mature than big spooky monsters or villains that are just cartoonishly evil seems like it either crosses the line for them, or they just assume it's trying too hard to be SH.
She's surprisingly okay with male rape for some reason. The Outlast bit is especially funny considering how she mocked the "Circumcision Theory" guy. Yeah, he was crazy but he clearly wasn't okay. In his defense, all SH wiki admins were acting like a bunch of cultists (expect maybe Chemi). Void posts crazier shit on her twitter but cries harassment every time people call her out.
Konami entering a deal with Bloober Team is like the universe specifically conspiring to piss off VoidBurger and Bob. I'll gladly take a shitty Silent Hill game in return just to watch them continue to sperg out about everyone who liked The Medium "doesn't understand horror" and "are child molester apologists".
Konami entering a deal with Bloober Team is like the universe specifically conspiring to piss off VoidBurger and Bob. I'll gladly take a shitty Silent Hill game in return just to watch them continue to sperg out about everyone who liked The Medium "doesn't understand horror" and "are child molester apologists".
"How dare you say I'm a nobody? I'll have you know one wikipedia article mentions me for THREE whole sentences!" is the kind of tweet I would usually consider just self-deprecating humor coming from anyone else, but she somehow sounds serious about this. That's just sad. Miss wikipedia superstar is also so busy stroking her own dick she completely misses the point of the tweet she's replying to.
The paragraph that name-drops her on that page, on the other hand, is pretty interesting. It seems really out of place in context- that section starts off listing reviews from gaming websites and journalists analysing the themes of the game and the psychological tricks it pulls off to scare you, then takes a really sudden turn to bring up two random let's players nobody outside of this thread has ever heard of.
It also takes up almost as much space as the combined summaries of the reviews from Gamespot, GamesRadar and Polygon without adding anything to the discussion other than "Two random dopes with dipshit opinions think the spooky lights in the game might do something". It sounds less like a contribution to the article and more like a shameless, masturbatory ad to their podcast, which really gets the noggin' joggin'.
To be honest, if Silent Hill wasn't Silent Hill, I could easily see Bob and VB criticizing it just as harshly.
The Medium has problematic things to say about mental illness and child molestation?
Silent Hill 2 is all about a man who killed his terminally ill wife; one possible interpretation of this, which the game itself raises, is that he was just a selfish POS who bumped her off so he would be free of taking care of her and could go get some puss.
SH2 also features Angela, a lifelong victim of abuse and rape from her own family. She fights an enemy literally called Abstract Daddy, in a fleshy-walled room with big pistons thrusting in and out all around you. She later chooses suicide rather than trying to seek help, and gives you an item that causes you to follow suit if you look at it too much.
Not to mention Dahlia's abuse of Alessa in SH1, or the fact that SH3 is basically one big metaphor for a teenage girl being forced to undergo an unwanted pregnancy.
I feel that, if any of those were released today and weren't made under the SH brand, they would be reviled as misogynistic and people would bay for the devs' blood.
