Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

Avatar: Best animated series or best animated series ever?


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Wasn't Ursa the one who offed the previous Firelord and that's why she had to vanish? I may be forgetting my lore.
Yes, but for reasons I cannot fathom someone told the artists to give Azula this weird "All according to keikaku" face in the flashbacks that inadvertently gives the whole thing this confusing subtext that Azula was manipulating her mother into doing it:
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Seriously, it’s bad enough that a scene from the original show that heavily implied to be the source of Azula’s mother issues is only being used to redundantly explain plot points readers already know, but there’s no reason for her to have this expression. It’s like they were so caught up in showing how bad Azula is, that they didn’t stop to think what shots like this actually means in the context of the plot.
 
I forget the exact circumstances, but I think it was that Ozai had sent Iroh’s son to the front lines to die and their father was going to punish him by making him kill his own son (which he was totally about to go through with), but Ursa offered herself up to take his place.
No, Ozai asked to be put next in line for the throne instead of Iroh because his son died fighting, basically saying "fuck Iroh," and that's why Ozai was told to kill Zuko. If Azulon had actually paid attention to his younger son, he'd know that Ozai would happily do it.
 
Okay, I must have totally missed the part where it was shown/implied that Ursa poisoned Azulon. Was that in the show or in the “sequel” comics?
There’s a lot of confusion surrounding this in general, mostly because some of the details in the show were semi-retconned by the comics - some of which lead to plot holes.

In the show, during the black sun mid-season finale, Ozai stalls for time until his bending comes back by talking about Ursa. And his explanation that Ursa found out Azulon ordered Zuko’s death, and came up with a sinister plot to attain the throne where Ozai said she did “viscous, treasonous things” to accomplish it in exchange for Zuko’s life - the main one being implied there that she personally killed Azulon. But it’s because of those treasonous acts that Ursa had to leave, both as a cover up and because Ozai didn’t trust her anymore on account of all the murder she did.

In the comics however, on the surface there’s a bunch of little changes to this to weasel out of having to have her murder someone personally, but lead to a 30 car pileup of plot holes when you actually think about it. Because it turns out her only contributions are thinking of the idea and making an “untraceable poison” (lol wut) for Ozai to slip to Azulon. She even says “you can do what you like with it” after she gives the poison to him, and leaves immediately after passing the vial off, just so she has the maximum amount of plausible deniability, but this means there’s a massive loophole in this deal she’s making because Ozai could easily choose not to use her poison, or not kill Azulon at all, and kill Zuko anyways and Ursa gave herself no way to actually stop this. Which was, you know, supposed to be the point of this plot. It doesn’t even really make sense for Ozai to do it himself, considering if he had Ursa do the murder he’d still be getting all the reward for the deed without taking in any of the risk in the event of failure. Plus if it’s an untraceable poison, and Ursa hated Ozai, why did she never consider slipping him some of that poison, then pushing his body down the stairs to make it look like he broke his neck in the 10+ years she was living there?

It seems like the comics were either Nickelodeon not wanting to show an on-screen murder, or Bryke wanting to erase the one patch of grey Ursa added by being a good guy who also killed a man, but either way it would’ve been better if they hadn’t backtracked and just left the show’s flashback alone. Especially since doing so also lead to a pretty big break from the show’s version thematically and character-wise considering the original point was to show Ursa’s willing to kill for the sake of love, and that she’s the real reason Zuko is next in line for the throne; and therefore becoming the Fire Lord is Zuko honoring his mother rather than his father. But between making her so uninvolved with the actual assassination, and all the letter bullshit making her original “never forget who you are” about Zuko questioning his paternal lineage rather than her emphasizing the importance of actions, they actually made it so now Zuko owes Ursa absolutely nothing.
 
Here's the thing...she killed a man to save her son.

I don't think you need to soften that blow too much to water it down. I think most of us would have been mature enough to understand why she did what she did.
Your mistake was thinking Bryke were mature enough to understand why she did what she did. Which clearly they were not.
 
It seems like the comics were either Nickelodeon not wanting to show an on-screen murder,
Nickelodeon never wanted a on-screen murder. Remember when the Almirant Zhao was drowned in the sea (First Season of ATLA)? That was the first example of that policy.
Things are more "extreme" in TLOK with all those Korra torture scenes in near all the seasons, the execution of some members of the Red Lotus (i'm sure that Fire girl scene is the best one) & that assassination of the queen in the S3.
Yes, that's all i can remember.
 
Nickelodeon never wanted a on-screen murder. Remember when the Almirant Zhao was drowned in the sea (First Season of ATLA)? That was the first example of that policy.
Things are more "extreme" in TLOK with all those Korra torture scenes in near all the seasons, the execution of some members of the Red Lotus (i'm sure that Fire girl scene is the best one) & that assassination of the queen in the S3.
Yes, that's all i can remember.
I think it's one of the reasons why people have been hyped whenever there's been talks of a movie or series, because with just a little bit more maturity Avatar could easily compete with Star Wars as the ultimate hero's journey, but it seems everything made after the original series has been cursed to some degree.
 
Nickelodeon never wanted a on-screen murder. Remember when the Almirant Zhao was drowned in the sea (First Season of ATLA)? That was the first example of that policy.
Things are more "extreme" in TLOK with all those Korra torture scenes in near all the seasons, the execution of some members of the Red Lotus (i'm sure that Fire girl scene is the best one) & that assassination of the queen in the S3.
Yes, that's all i can remember.

There was also Jet's death in ATLA not being shown on-screen as well, with only some clues that made it clear that he died, i.e. Toph saying that Jet was lying about being okay after being wounded, and the Jet "death scene" in the Ember Island Players play.

And in TLOK, there was also the murder-suicide at the end of Season 1 too.
 
There was also Jet's death in ATLA not being shown on-screen as well, with only some clues that made it clear that he died, i.e. Toph saying that Jet was lying about being okay after being wounded, and the Jet "death scene" in the Ember Island Players play.

And in TLOK, there was also the murder-suicide at the end of Season 1 too.
Oh, yes; the Tarlok-Amon situation in the speedboat.
I totally forgot about Jet. Sadly was one of those finest examples of non-benders, just like Suki.
 
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So twitter is not happy with the casting of the new avatar live action show. Even if the casts are now asian and native american.
To be honest with you, finding 12-16 year old Asians and Natives that can act, do martial arts and speak English is a tall order. It unironically would be better if they just cast whites since the chance of finding one that can do all three is much higher. From the look of this screencap, it didn't even matter.
 
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So twitter is not happy with the casting of the new avatar live action show. Even if the casts are now asian and native american.
Fucking Netflix niggas marketed the shit out of this show saying it was going to be the "No whitey version". All progressives at my uni fucking clapped and slurped it up. "They'll right the wrongs of Shyamalan" they said.

Then they backtracked and said it was going to be the "Some whiteys version". Now it's the "White Rice version" and these fucking twitter shit heads are already crying bloody murder. You can never please these ppl enough, just give up and stop trying
 
Or I don't know just make it animated...oh wait.
I feel that avatar the last airbender is one of those kind of stories that can only work right in animation. A live action avatar, no matter how good the effects may be will always look weird and unconvincing.
 
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