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I guess catch is, in order to move to the USA, I would bet that having the vaccines is a hard requirement now, right? I'm not sure, so anyone knowing better is free to correct me, but I can see that being something imposed on anyone wanting to move internationally from hereon out.
Nope, that shit only flies in the bluest of shitholes. If you have a shitty big corporation job they might make you wear a mask if you aren't vaccinated. But that is both becoming rarer, and they also take your word for it *wink wink*.
 
I guess catch is, in order to move to the USA, I would bet that having the vaccines is a hard requirement now, right? I'm not sure, so anyone knowing better is free to correct me, but I can see that being something imposed on anyone wanting to move internationally from hereon out.
There is a list of vaccinations that you are supposed to have before immigrating. Covid vax has not been added to that yet.
 
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Well, it's 2 days shy of my 1 year anniversary of joining this site to complain about how shitty the Ontario lockdowns were and the fact that the gyms were still closed. 1 year later, and Ontario is still in a shitty lockdown, and the gyms are still closed, only being allowed to be open from August 2020 to September 2020, so 2 months.

This province is such a shithole, we're still under lockdown, and there is no plan whatsoever to remove mask mandates or open the US-Canada border to "non-essential" travel. And despite the fact I'm in my 20s, in good health, have no secondary complications, and the fact that I've already had COVID, I still occasionally have a family member prod me to get vaccinated. Ultimately at this point, I'm about as worried about the vax side effects as much as I'm worried about COVID (which is to say, not at all). At this point, it's principle. Like, 80% of this province has had at least 1 dose, and 50% has had both. And yet, we will never ditch the mask laws or allow gyms to reopen.

So, I decided I would make a set of principles that I would require to go to the effort of getting vaccinated, and it's worked great at taking the wind out of the hardliners sails when they bug me, because they can't strawman my reasons. So here it is:

1. It must be readily and easily available to take at my local pharmacy without an appointment, and second dosage must follow the CDC and manufacturers dosage guideline timeline
(In this shithole, they've stretched the time between doses out way longer than what Pfizer/Moderna recommend because our dumb country didn't secure enough, and they're doing dumb shit like mixing Pfizer/Moderna/AZ between the two doses)

2. The CDC's advisory on the heart inflammation cases in young adult men must be concluded
(I'm not going to rush to take a vax for a disease that holds 0 risk to me, when the vaccine is being currently investigated for a serious side effect that specifically affects my demographic).


For me to get the vaccine, it must provide a tangible benefit or my daily life must not be impacted at the time I take it. I will allow myself to be bribed, but I will not take something just because I'm being threatened, that's my principle. Give me an actual carrot, because the stick will not work on me.

So, all of the following conditions must be true at the time I take it (including cases where it is only true on the proviso I take the vaccine):

1. Gyms must be open and easily accessible

2. Indoor masks must no longer be required (outside of a limited hospital context at most)

3. The US-Canada border must be open such that someone could reasonably take a day-trip (i.e. not only open, but no giant pile of testing requirements that make it unfeasible or cost-prohibitive)

For me to take the vaccine, I must either do it not under duress or have the personal benefits to being vaccinated be significant and immediate enough to influence my decision.

Personally, I think the bullshit in this country/province is going to stretch out until August 2022. But these are my principles for getting this vaccine. I will not get this shit for some empty promises and threats, because they'll just as likely take the rights away from everyone at once all over again this fall.

So, this is my line in the sand. I will not allow the government or anyone to threaten me into doing something. Use honey instead of vinegar if you really want compliance. Actually go to the effort of setting up a two-tier society where the vaccinated have a normal life, and then getting this vax that's needless for me might seem appealing.

So far, the places I've seen that have life back to normal didn't give a fuck about the vaccines, and the places that put a lot of distinction on the vaccinated/unvaccinated are the places with the most restrictions, even if you're vaccinated. Basically, if they're still scared now, they'll definitely be spooked back into locking down again and again.

So, I'm just one person, I can't unite an apathetic province of 15M into rising up, and any personal efforts would likely just result in my own downfall. So, this is the one form of personal protest that I have. Fuck you, Ontario. Fuck you, Ford. Fuck you, Canada, and fuck you Trudeau. I never asked for these lockdowns, and specifically was vocally opposed to them all the way back in the first week of March 2020 when they started being mentioned. So, now that you ask me to do something? Fuck you, I'll treat your request the same way you continue to treat my rights and freedoms. Throw me the whip first, because only a retard throws the idol and then hopes the person throws the whip instead of just walking away once they've gotten what they wanted.
Our province is so fucking gay and cucked we have become a laughing stock from every single other entity in the globe. How much we ended up getting taken over by these sick twisted power hungry politicians is unbelievable. I wouldn't even give them an inch in considering any jab and any of these threats are empty and are not enforceable. It's Jedi mind tricks, which honestly at this stage anyone that has decided not to do their homework on this issue only have themselves to blame at this point.

Ontario is an embarrassment in regards of the standards of the standards in the first world. I think the descent among many of us that have been enslaved by this bullshit has hit critical mass, and if anything another fear monger cluster fuck will probably make the entire population snap at this stage. The only reason why I know people are getting jabbed is so they can maybe have their freedom back, where in all reality should of never been the case, because all that would of been done is people just ignore the regulations and go on with business as usual. Outside of the cocks in the OPP, none of the municipal police forces have bothered to enforce the jackboot regulations. People should of said go fuck yourself last summer, but people still want to buy the fear which is this virus.

People need to have some balls and just start telling these people to go fuck themselves. It only go as far as people allow it to go, and it's come to the point that any semblance of logic to justify the orders have totally been nullified.
 
Yea, that'll go over about as well as a turd in a punch bowl.

Most people don't like it when the various voting committees bang on their doors during midterms, now they're going to have *actual* government officials instead of the bright eyed college kids that are doing it for "volunteer hours".
Anyone who wants/wanted the vaccine could have or would have already gotten it probably tens of times over. They're not convincing anyone, most people probably won't even answer their door.
 

Demographically speaking, Whites have reached 70%

So does this mean they are going to be going door to door looking for the 87% of blacks who haven't touched this shit? Blacks have pretty good reasons to avoid this stuff given the historical precedent of government testing shit on them

This chart is very interesting. So for those under 50, the vaccine prevented a third of death when corrected for case volume. That's pretty useless in the face of all the side effects. One life saved for every two lives cost to the vaccine might even be a generous estimate for this age group.

However, for the cohort of people over 50, two shots seems to have reduced total deaths by a third, which is good until you see how one dose was nearly three times as effective in the same age group and pretty comparable sample size. It could be just an artifact of the oldest of the olds having both shots and the younger olds not, however, since covid death rate is an exponential curve.

Considering the data goes back to February 1st when hardly anyone was jabbed but there were still a steady thousand cases a day, I literally see zero benefit. Most of those in the Unvaccinated column probably got infected in the first 90 days (there were no vaccinated to infect)

The data totally hides this. If we started the Chart on June 1st and analyze deaths and hospitalizations you would see Parity with the vaccinated and a Risk reduction of only 7%,..or 4700 cases of people who didnt catch covid..but this is speculative...because older people get vaccinated first and never leave the house anyway.

7%..oh lets push it to 10% is almost statistically insignifact...and is probably not even 1/10 of those who got fucked up or died from the jabs. Yellowcard says serious injuries or death from the vaccine are over 100,000 right now...tho i will admit what Yellowcard considers serious may not be all that bad (hives or fever for example)

Im sure the benefit is somewhere in the statistics...if we look really hard and move shit around...push the months back to December it looks better....but it isn't worth the costs and its just full of shit.

Boris is probably fucking mad as hell and it probably has alot to do with just saying fuck it. The people advising him on the vaccines are not in a good spot right now
 
Considering the data goes back to February 1st when hardly anyone was jabbed but there were still a steady thousand cases a day, I literally see zero benefit. Most of those in the Unvaccinated column probably got infected in the first 90 days (there were no vaccinated to infect)

The data totally hides this. If we started the Chart on June 1st and analyze deaths and hospitalizations you would see Parity with the vaccinated and a Risk reduction of only 7%,..or 4700 cases of people who didnt catch covid..but this is speculative...because older people get vaccinated first and never leave the house anyway.

7%..oh lets push it to 10% is almost statistically insignifact...and is probably not even 1/10 of those who got fucked up or died from the jabs

Im sure the benefit is somewhere in the statistics...if we look really hard and move shit around....but it isn't worth the costs.

Boris is probably fucking mad as hell
Ah, I was just rebalancing the delta stats to be as if the unvaxxed and vaxxed were equally sized groups. It seemed likely there were far more people in the unvaxxed group under 50 and the vaxxed group over 50. Even with this what I find interesting is that the delta variant only killed six unvaxxed people, although that population was 18 times larger than the vaxxed group. If you scale down the deaths to a group the size of the vaxxed cases you would expect 1/3 of a person to have died... which is effectively zero, and the result seen. So the vaccine in that group prevented no deaths to possibly one, depending on how we round that third.

In the vaxxed group for the older people, you could see that's where the effort started as it contained the majority of the cases. Still curious how those with just one shot fared better than those who had taken two. It still might be worth it for the elderly, but for the under 50s, I'd take my chances with the delta strain.
 
Ah, I was just rebalancing the delta stats to be as if the unvaxxed and vaxxed were equally sized groups. It seemed likely there were far more people in the unvaxxed group under 50 and the vaxxed group over 50. Even with this what I find interesting is that the delta variant only killed six unvaxxed people, although that population was 18 times larger than the vaxxed group. If you scale down the deaths to a group the size of the vaxxed cases you would expect 1/3 of a person to have died... which is effectively zero, and the result seen. So the vaccine in that group prevented no deaths to possibly one, depending on how we round that third.

In the vaxxed group for the older people, you could see that's where the effort started as it contained the majority of the cases. Still curious how those with just one shot fared better than those who had taken two. It still might be worth it for the elderly, but for the under 50s, I'd take my chances with the delta strain.


Likely the 1 shotters still take precautions and mask...The largest block of people taking one shots was also during a window of restrictions when pubs weren't open and you couldn't go out to eat indoors. The data is difficult to make sense of when you analyze it.


Btw: This vaccine data...while it destroys Astrazeneca effectiveness does not in anyway shape or form mean Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson and Johnson will fail. All it means is it really doesn't do much. It goes on the pile with Sputnik, Sino pharm, Sino-vac, and Covax and probably actually has a real efficiency under 50%. Deaths are literally about .0030=0050%...the same they were last year. 100.000 get sick, 10,000 will need oxygen and beds and 500 will die...thats about 3 times as bad as influenza but not the apocalyspe. Treatment is key, Warp speed should of been about treatment. Not vaccination. You get symptoms, you get tested, you get a tamiflu like treatment and go on with life after 2 weeks inside. Your coworkers are notified to get tested aswell and will repeat this process.

It was easy...the solution was easy. This and throw in strict border controls and stop international travel. We would of been done with this already.


I am firm in my belief covid is a disease that only densely packed urban area's need to enact strict measures. It doesn't seem to effect rural areas at all. Dumpwater Florida which has a population of 450 people doesn't need to give a shit about this disease or the vaccine.
 
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In my shit blue area, it's technically against the law for employees to not ask for your vaccine card when you walk in without a mask. However, I've only been asked for it twice.

As far as I'm concerned, life is back to normal. I'll never take a normal life for granted again. I'm going to enjoy everything I can before flu season rolls around, cases and hospitalizations "skyrocket," and restrictions are put back in place. :heart-full:
 
In my shit blue area, it's technically against the law for employees to not ask for your vaccine card when you walk in without a mask. However, I've only been asked for it twice.

As far as I'm concerned, life is back to normal. I'll never take a normal life for granted again. I'm going to enjoy everything I can before flu season rolls around, cases and hospitalizations "skyrocket," and restrictions are put back in place. :heart-full:

You must live in Florida I assume or some other backwards Red State.

Its the same in Florida. I'm never asked but i am pretty sure health care systems are building infrastructure to deny care and insurance.

Best case is to shove the data in their faces and show the Vaccines do not work. Ask them how feasible it is to keep taking booster after booster...if its not mandatory it will be a battle of attrition. Each booster will see less and less participation. Anti-vaxxers only need to wait it out a year and the issue will be gone. Attrition will destroy the pro-vaccine movement. Every round will see more adverse reactions for themselves or someone they know that will put people off.

Its legally impossible to force a vaccine in this country. They can maybe deny critical services.

For the record I am personally not anti-vaccine. I refuse to take part in Phase 3 trials. I will consider it in 2023 when the trials are done and we know how many died and were crippled or hand long term disabilities.
 
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