Infected Euphoric atheists

[Illiterate Wanderer]

I'm a big fan of the atheists claiming the reason they hate or at least dislike Christians is being they're mean in some way, then go on to say some of the most cruel, vile shit about people simply for holding a belief that they don't. We've all seen plenty of 'Christians are so judgmental' and then go on to obsessively judge Christians and everything they do/believe/think/say.

Spoiler: Powerlevel

I've had two co-workers recently say insanely rude things to me because of my religion. Each time they were the ones instigating, it's not like I was proselytizing. And they felt so comfortable doing it, and were all merry like it was perfectly fine and in their right to say. If I had some kind of weird sexuality or gender they would probably tiptoe and make sure to never offend me, but Christianity? Without hesitation insult and disrespect me.

Yeah a important point that lots of euphoric types seem to miss is that it's not a matter of whether Christianity is mean, it's about whether it is true.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Yeah a important point that lots of euphoric types seem to miss is that it's not a matter of whether Christianity is mean, it's about whether it is true.

And what "mean" even is. They'll say it's mean when you tell people to stop doing something degenerate because it will damn them to an eternity of torment but that's kindness. Christians by and large would prefer people being saved vs. being damned. If it was about hatred you'd say nothing and just let them ride their bad decisions to sickness and damnation instead of telling them how to avoid that.

 

[Cap. Willard Marlow]

Warning: possible sperging

Something I wanted to comment in my last post but I didn't, and that I think it's really characteristic of euphorics as a whole but I haven't seen commented on almost any place, is that euphorics have a very materialistic idea of what religion and faith are.

And by materialistic I mean it in the negative, empty, shallow sense of the word. They never speak about the deep layers of metaphysics, theology, mysticism, spirituality and philosophy behind most religions. Many of them don't seem to even know those layers exist, and the few I've seen that acknowledge their existence quickly dissmised it as "petty", "bullshit mumbo jumbo" and "drug trips". Old atheist philosophers like Nieztche criticized judeochristian ethics for creating weak men unprepared for a world without God, but could you imagine a 2000s New Atheist saying that? Could you imagine him analyzing jewish Kabbalistics?

Euphorics think religion is just a set of rules and tales invented by random people in a vague past. Because in their 21ts century understanding of morality and reality a lot of those rules and tales don't make literal sense, they assume they are either dangerously stupid or made up that way for evil purposes. Ergo, those that are religious, which is an inmense majority of the human race, are equally stupid or evil. So obviously most of mankind is stupid and evil. This line of thought turns atheists into an elite of a few chosen that have managed to free themselves from reLIEgion through enlightened bravery and rational wits, and are intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.

Spoiler: Here I extend a bit more in the same theme, but it isn't as relevant

If you think about it, this whole thing makes them look actually pretty inmature. Not only are they enraged at mithologies and religions for not adjusting to their reality to the 100%, but they claim to be superior to the rest of mankind for not taking at face value something that wasn't meant to be taken that way in the first place.

Imagine a 40something years old man that has spent most of his life thinking Santa Claus existed and when just now he discovers Santa is not real, he starts mocking and abusing the people around him for believing in Santa when actually he was the only one who kept believing in it. That more or less it's how a lot of euphorics work.

 

[Black ContraPoints]

In my personal experience with euphorics, many of their arguments are shallow and just appeal to emotion. Some categorize faith as irrational or illogical, but when push comes to shove their objections dwindle down to 'But that's horrible! God killed babies! God flooded the world! God permitted slavery! That's evil!' You could exhaust yourself explaining historical context, or just why these things had to happen, and they don't have anything beyond whining that it's not nice. There's a lot of things in human history and civilization that are not 'nice' but got us here and we've reaped the benefit of. We don't have to like it but we have to accept it. They don't really want a response, and are repeating something they liked and thought was intelligent.

A lot of euphorics have these stupid little gotcha's that don't work on anyone who isn't a non-believer or lukewarm Christian.

Spoiler: Example of this type of conversation

I'm unfortunately not very well-spoken, or of above average intelligence, but even I'm not stumped by these lame arguments. I was having a conversation with a relative who I love but is a smug, science worshipping kind of guy that thinks gotcha's are clever.
Him: I mean, more people have been killed because of religion than any war combined.
Me: Really? Can you give me the numbers on that?
Well, I don't know the numbers.
Who said this? Where did you hear it?
I don't remember.
Do you remember if whoever said it gave numbers or proof?
I'm not sure.
Then why would you confidently make that statement? Because you thought I wouldn't ask for any proof or call you out on it?
Well...that's not the point...
Do you really believe what you said?
He got irritated and ended up changing the subject. We've had many conversations like this, about the problem of evil, why God created pain, self-righteousness, atonement, God's justice, if the Bible is trustworthy, and it always ends the same way. With him getting frustrated because he's not used to actual discussion beyond some atheist statement. And him insisting that he couldn't really care less about religion after sperging out on it.

Euphorics think religion is just a set of rules and tales invented by random people in a vague past. Because in their 21ts century understanding of morality and reality a lot of those rules and tales don't make literal sense, they assume they are either dangerously stupid or made up that way for evil purposes.

Absolutely love the way that you put this. It's so true. Euphorics are a symptom of a selfish, post-modern culture that just can't fathom obeying laws that don't affect them here and now. The objection is generally 'why should I obey an arbitrary set of rules written by a bunch of barbarians/goat herders that don't apply to me? And who were racist, sexist, slave owners!'

 

[DJ Grelle]

A big part of Euphorics is also the idea that they are better/smarter than the average church-going granny. After all, "Enlightened my their own intelligence" is part of the ever memed euphoric quote. Meanwhile, there were plenty of important scientists who had an unquestionable faith in a higher, metaphysical truth, from Plato to Leibniz and Newton, to Bohr and Heisenberg. Gauss, one of the most important mathematicians ever was extremely open about being a very religious person. Hell, even the big bang theory was developed by a Catholic Priest (Georges Lemaitre, always fun to throw in the face of some euphoric sneering at the "primitive christianity")

 

[Adamska]

Euphorics argue like shit because they crib notes from a small crew of far more eloquent Atheists. Nine times out of ten they are parroting either Dawkins or a slew of old Atheisttubers.

They aren't smart, but they think they're smart by parroting what others said poorly, ignoring their targets were morons like Creationists and Flattards or Conspiracy Theorists.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Euphorics argue like shit because they crib notes from a small crew of far more eloquent Atheists. Nine times out of ten they are parroting either Dawkins or a slew of old Atheisttubers.

They aren't smart, but they think they're smart by parroting what others said poorly, ignoring their targets were morons like Creationists and Flattards or Conspiracy Theorists.

And the people they parrot are midwits themselves. Dawkins has made some really stupid, petulant arguments in his live debates, and a lot of Jewish Atheists like Sam Harris and Lawrence Krauss will just openly use pilpul and argue against themselves to try to get "owns" or "gotchas" when they inevitably lose. I watched a lot of these people when I was more into that kind of stuff and it's just painful to see sometimes.

 

[John Titor]

A big part of Euphorics is also the idea that they are better/smarter than the average church-going granny. After all, "Enlightened my their own intelligence" is part of the ever memed euphoric quote. Meanwhile, there were plenty of important scientists who had an unquestionable faith in a higher, metaphysical truth, from Plato to Leibniz and Newton, to Bohr and Heisenberg. Gauss, one of the most important mathematicians ever was extremely open about being a very religious person. Hell, even the big bang theory was developed by a Catholic Priest (Georges Lemaitre, always fun to throw in the face of some euphoric sneering at the "primitive christianity")

These types irritate me. It's like, if you're so smart, do something with it.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

This was probably stated somewhere in here already, but I've noticed that the more hardcore the euphoric, the more chance they were raised in a fundamentalist (emphasis on the mentalist) household.
Kids who grow up with artsy libtard hippie parents seem to give less of a shit about faith in general, though I've noticed from acquaintances that later in life they start thinking deeper about the stuff.
Fundie babies stay angry babies all their lives as if for some vendetta against authority, I wonder why.

 

[Cap. Willard Marlow]

This was probably stated somewhere in here already, but I've noticed that the more hardcore the euphoric, the more chance they were raised in a fundamentalist (emphasis on the mentalist) household.
Kids who grow up with artsy libtard hippie parents seem to give less of a shit about faith in general, though I've noticed from acquaintances that later in life they start thinking deeper about the stuff.
Fundie babies stay angry babies all their lives as if for some vendetta against authority, I wonder why.

They've come to think the whole of religion works like their community made them believe. When they grow up and get away from that they treat it as if they've discovered the truth and are no longer bible thumping fanatics, but in some unconscious way they have kept the same intolerance and fanaticism of their parents.

Kinda something like that. Their reasoning is that religion did these bad things but I'm not religious so I'm incapable of doing it.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

They've come to think the whole of religion works like their community made them believe. When they grow up and get away from that they treat it as if they've discovered the truth and are no longer bible thumping fanatics, but in some unconscious way they have kept the same intolerance and fanaticism of their parents.

Kinda something like that. Their reasoning is that religion did these bad things but I'm not religious so I'm incapable of doing it.

Goes to show that fundies suck and Christians should hate them too.

 

[Slap47]

Warning: possible sperging

Something I wanted to comment in my last post but I didn't, and that I think it's really characteristic of euphorics as a whole but I haven't seen commented on almost any place, is that euphorics have a very materialistic idea of what religion and faith are.

And by materialistic I mean it in the negative, empty, shallow sense of the word. They never speak about the deep layers of metaphysics, theology, mysticism, spirituality and philosophy behind most religions. Many of them don't seem to even know those layers exist, and the few I've seen that acknowledge their existence quickly dissmised it as "petty", "bullshit mumbo jumbo" and "drug trips". Old atheist philosophers like Nieztche criticized judeochristian ethics for creating weak men unprepared for a world without God, but could you imagine a 2000s New Atheist saying that? Could you imagine him analyzing jewish Kabbalistics?

Euphorics think religion is just a set of rules and tales invented by random people in a vague past. Because in their 21ts century understanding of morality and reality a lot of those rules and tales don't make literal sense, they assume they are either dangerously stupid or made up that way for evil purposes. Ergo, those that are religious, which is an inmense majority of the human race, are equally stupid or evil. So obviously most of mankind is stupid and evil. This line of thought turns atheists into an elite of a few chosen that have managed to free themselves from reLIEgion through enlightened bravery and rational wits, and are intellectually and morally superior to everyone else.

Spoiler: Here I extend a bit more in the same theme, but it isn't as relevant

If you think about it, this whole thing makes them look actually pretty inmature. Not only are they enraged at mithologies and religions for not adjusting to their reality to the 100%, but they claim to be superior to the rest of mankind for not taking at face value something that wasn't meant to be taken that way in the first place.

Imagine a 40something years old man that has spent most of his life thinking Santa Claus existed and when just now he discovers Santa is not real, he starts mocking and abusing the people around him for believing in Santa when actually he was the only one who kept believing in it. That more or less it's how a lot of euphorics work.

In my personal experience with euphorics, many of their arguments are shallow and just appeal to emotion. Some categorize faith as irrational or illogical, but when push comes to shove their objections dwindle down to 'But that's horrible! God killed babies! God flooded the world! God permitted slavery! That's evil!' You could exhaust yourself explaining historical context, or just why these things had to happen, and they don't have anything beyond whining that it's not nice. There's a lot of things in human history and civilization that are not 'nice' but got us here and we've reaped the benefit of. We don't have to like it but we have to accept it. They don't really want a response, and are repeating something they liked and thought was intelligent.

A lot of euphorics have these stupid little gotcha's that don't work on anyone who isn't a non-believer or lukewarm Christian.

Spoiler: Example of this type of conversation

I'm unfortunately not very well-spoken, or of above average intelligence, but even I'm not stumped by these lame arguments. I was having a conversation with a relative who I love but is a smug, science worshipping kind of guy that thinks gotcha's are clever.
Him: I mean, more people have been killed because of religion than any war combined.
Me: Really? Can you give me the numbers on that?
Well, I don't know the numbers.
Who said this? Where did you hear it?
I don't remember.
Do you remember if whoever said it gave numbers or proof?
I'm not sure.
Then why would you confidently make that statement? Because you thought I wouldn't ask for any proof or call you out on it?
Well...that's not the point...
Do you really believe what you said?
He got irritated and ended up changing the subject. We've had many conversations like this, about the problem of evil, why God created pain, self-righteousness, atonement, God's justice, if the Bible is trustworthy, and it always ends the same way. With him getting frustrated because he's not used to actual discussion beyond some atheist statement. And him insisting that he couldn't really care less about religion after sperging out on it.

Absolutely love the way that you put this. It's so true. Euphorics are a symptom of a selfish, post-modern culture that just can't fathom obeying laws that don't affect them here and now. The objection is generally 'why should I obey an arbitrary set of rules written by a bunch of barbarians/goat herders that don't apply to me? And who were racist, sexist, slave owners!'

A big part of Euphorics is also the idea that they are better/smarter than the average church-going granny. After all, "Enlightened my their own intelligence" is part of the ever memed euphoric quote. Meanwhile, there were plenty of important scientists who had an unquestionable faith in a higher, metaphysical truth, from Plato to Leibniz and Newton, to Bohr and Heisenberg. Gauss, one of the most important mathematicians ever was extremely open about being a very religious person. Hell, even the big bang theory was developed by a Catholic Priest (Georges Lemaitre, always fun to throw in the face of some euphoric sneering at the "primitive christianity")

I don't really believe that being an atheist is automatically being a "euphoric". For me being a euphoric is being a smug elitist who considers themselves part of some enlightened caste. Religion is the source of all evil, and therefore those without religion are just automatically usually always correct and on the "right side of history". Lets just ignore the Soviets with their anti-science collectivist policies and Lysenkoism, or the millions of devout religious people who were scientists and great humanitarians.

Even the arguments themselves are not being Euphoric. Its one thing to have a healthy discussion about religion and existence of God or gods with somebody. Its another thing to make that into your personality, randomly bring it up to belittle people, or just sperg out about science you honestly have no business properly talking about.

 

[Adamska]

I don't really believe that being an atheist is automatically being a "euphoric". For me being a euphoric is being a smug elitist who considers themselves part of some enlightened caste. Religion is the source of all evil, and therefore those without religion are just automatically usually always correct and on the "right side of history". Lets just ignore the Soviets with their anti-science collectivist policies and Lysenkoism, or the millions of devout religious people who were scientists and great humanitarians.

Even the arguments themselves are not being Euphoric. Its one thing to have a healthy discussion about religion and existence of God or gods with somebody. Its another thing to make that into your personality, randomly bring it up to belittle people, or just sperg out about science you honestly have no business properly talking about.

Pretty much; atheists are perfectly fine. It's only the ones that magically seem to only reee at Christians or who tend to think "owns" they stole from a video in 2007 is the height of genius that need to be laughed at to death.

 

[Cap. Willard Marlow]

I don't really believe that being an atheist is automatically being a "euphoric".

That's why I specified euphorics instead of the whole of atheism.

For me being a euphoric is being a smug elitist who considers themselves part of some enlightened caste. Religion is the source of all evil, and therefore those without religion are just automatically usually always correct and on the "right side of history".

This is pretty much part of the point I was making.

Pretty much; atheists are perfectly fine. It's only the ones that magically seem to only reee at Christians or who tend to think "owns" they stole from a video in 2007 is the height of genius that need to be laughed at to death.

Correct.

Anyway, I'm responding late, since I'm not a frequent user. I bring you another case of euphoria.

The video.

A "naturalist" euphoric having an instictual reaction to who-he-must-not-be-named.

Youtube fight ensues, gentlemen.

It doesn't last long however. Save for a last day addition:

It's pretty much another youtube petty slapfight but the way it started with someone just saying Jesus put it on another level of pointlesness.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

'Sugar fairy...'? Is that the one that comes before the tooth fairy?

It's getting so that they can't even get their rote insults right.

 

[Black ContraPoints]

If you'd like a nice dose of euphoric, check out Abraham Piper's Tik Tok. He is the son of Pastor John Piper, founder of Desiring God ministries. I'm not personally influenced by John Piper, I haven't read Desiring God, but from what I've quickly read he teaches evangelical beliefs. Nothing too crazy but I haven't done a deep dive.

Abraham Piper was apparently excommunicated from his church at 19 for rejecting the faith, returned to membership, and rejected his faith again. He went on to become an entrepreneur and artist. At 39 years old he has a fairly popular Tik Tok, where many of his posts criticize the faith he was raised in.

He is at quite the level of smug and snarky, and his Tik Toks that I've seen have quite the nasty, mocking tone to them. Many of them consist of him walking around with a forced fake smile with scornful, angry eyes, 'Umm, can you believe that kids are supposed to read the Bible? Here's all the fucked up things in the Bible!' then quickly rattling them off with no context, compares it to Game of Thrones, and finishing with 'Yeah! And fundies think that if you don't believe this book you're going to hell! So glad I'm out of it!' And forcing a fake laugh. His tone and way of speaking is like that of a twenty year old euphoric, not a forty year old one.

He tries to seem like he isn't completely bitter towards religion, and even claimed in one of them that he doesn't really hate religion, he just disapproves of evangelicals behavior. Then makes Tik Tok's calling the Bible a barbaric, bloody fairy tale that you're stupid for believing in. His tone is so condescending and obnoxious. It also seems quite cruel and disrespectful towards your father to publicly mock his life's work, but you've got to have those sweet, sweet Tik Tok retards approval I guess.

Spoiler: Examples

Going to link a basic compilation of Tik Tok's, there isn't one I've found that is solely euphoria, but you can definitely get the idea.

The other ones will be response videos from Christian channels, because they will have solely the euphoric ones showcased.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

If you'd like a nice dose of euphoric, check out Abraham Piper's Tik Tok. He is the son of Pastor John Piper, founder of Desiring God ministries. I'm not personally influenced by John Piper, I haven't read Desiring God, but from what I've quickly read he teaches evangelical beliefs. Nothing too crazy but I haven't done a deep dive.

Abraham Piper was apparently excommunicated from his church at 19 for rejecting the faith, returned to membership, and rejected his faith again. He went on to become an entrepreneur and artist. At 39 years old he has a fairly popular Tik Tok, where many of his posts criticize the faith he was raised in.

He is at quite the level of smug and snarky, and his Tik Toks that I've seen have quite the nasty, mocking tone to them. Many of them consist of him walking around with a forced fake smile with scornful, angry eyes, 'Umm, can you believe that kids are supposed to read the Bible? Here's all the fucked up things in the Bible!' then quickly rattling them off with no context, compares it to Game of Thrones, and finishing with 'Yeah! And fundies think that if you don't believe this book you're going to hell! So glad I'm out of it!' And forcing a fake laugh. His tone and way of speaking is like that of a twenty year old euphoric, not a forty year old one.

He tries to seem like he isn't completely bitter towards religion, and even claimed in one of them that he doesn't really hate religion, he just disapproves of evangelicals behavior. Then makes Tik Tok's calling the Bible a barbaric, bloody fairy tale that you're stupid for believing in. His tone is so condescending and obnoxious. It also seems quite cruel and disrespectful towards your father to publicly mock his life's work, but you've got to have those sweet, sweet Tik Tok retards approval I guess.

Spoiler: Examples

Going to link a basic compilation of Tik Tok's, there isn't one I've found that is solely euphoria, but you can definitely get the idea.

The other ones will be response videos from Christian channels, because they will have solely the euphoric ones showcased.

To this guy I make the same point I make for all other euphorics: nice fedora, now go after Islam.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

 

[Shaka Brah]

Counterpoint: the existence of transsexuals is proof that Satan is real.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Counterpoint: the existence of transsexuals is proof that Satan is real.

Why does Zack always have that puckered kissy face in basically every picture I've ever seen of him? In another thread, we were talking about early YT, and he was one of the first atheist faggots I ever saw do 'debates' (ie cursing and name calling his opponents), and he has always done that annoying face.