Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

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I volunteer. Got nothing better to do than drink, so might as well.
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Oh jesus. Starts out with Mumsnet.

This is going to be good. He's hideous.

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Intrinsic and relational properties - what's objective and what's subjective&constructed?

"What kind of property is being a woman?" lmao

Assume Earth 2 - schmite, a social system based on height, which is silly. And assume Earth 0 where there's no social difference between anyone. Only natural properties, no social constructs. What a load of bollocks. Assume Earth -1, where there aren't even natural properties because you assume there's anything to measure. I don't really think these kinds of thought experiments lead to anywhere, really. I could assume any number of things and worlds and societal systems, but none of them matter, because they aren't real. This kind of universe-building might be useful in mathematics or physics, but not philosophy - ultimately, I think this is the principal difference between Olly and a classical philosophist like Plato. Plato was trying to discover the nature of, how should I put it, maybe anthropic reality? Olly here on the other hand is practically wanking on screen.

Social constructs shape nature which reinforces social constructs. Wew.

People confer social properties onto natural properties. What's the measure of cool then? I can kind of see where he might be going and what he's impying but fuck me if I can express it properly. Sadly I've only taken a single philosophy 101 class so I lack the necessary education to unravel and deconstruct his arguments.

lmao what if people disagree on the underlying natural properties of social constructs well some things might work some might not
He's been using "cool", which is objectively subjective, but this retard is conflating sex and race both of which are scientifically objective things with coolness. By this time he's changed twice and boy he still looks awful.

Social contructs are inherently changeable things - well sure, the concept of womanhood and what it means changes with time and cultures, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean we should embrace AGPs as genuine women. He's so fucking disingenuous.

Is this yet another ploy to bed Hontra? "See Nyk, society says I'm a true&honest woman, will you marry me now?"

And this is the point of conclusion? There was some whining about gay rights and the UK and troonphobia, but I feel like those are secondary at best. He also brought up Judith Butler multiple times but I'd rather see him try debating Germaine Greer.

This video was short-ish but I sure feel like I could - maybe should - have another dram of scotch.
 
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NOT the Dolce & Gabbana face shield. Why do Breadtube troons wear the tackiest possible fashion brands???? Hontra's obsession with Versace isn't much better.
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For anyone that cares, D&G were involved in many scandals for being racist, sexist, and homophobic. If his liberal audience was at all fashion-conscious he'd get cancelled for wearing this, but lucky for him Olly's audience is mostly troons.
 
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It was a mercifully short video, thankfully. Only around ~25 minutes I think
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OH GOD THE FUCKING SHOES

Mumsnet terfs saying that women are not a social construct apparently gave him the idea for the video, which is about social constructs

Ship of Theseus argument, comparing replacing car parts as a troon analogy. I've heard it before, possibly from PT himself

He tries to say that a world in which we divide humans based on height would be an obvious social construct, therefore biological sex must be a social construct. So being a mother is an invented social construct, basically. Hurray for false analogies.

"If we erased people's memories, would they forget about the concepts of race and sex?" My answer is no, because sex is based in biology and is also instinctual, and race will still exist because humans are predisposed to divide themselves into tribes, often based upon who is the most genetically similar to themselves.

Classifying biological sex is like an umpire classifying what's a strike and what's not in baseball. Yeah, not that it's clear-cut in 99.9% percent of cases. He also connects this to race/ethnicity, which is a fairer comparison than biological sex even if I don't entirely agree with it. It's not vague, classifying biological sex is in no way vague, asserting otherwise is an ideologically-motivated denial of reality.

Mammals are a social construct because we at first had trouble classifying what a platypus is. Talk about being scientifically illiterate. I'm pretty sure this isn't meant to just be an analogy, I think he's being serious and applying troon logic to non-human animals.

"People opposing Judith Butler are like when people disliked Socrates." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He's making an argument that's pretty damn similar to what Contra said in his JK Rowling about how "What is a woman?" is a "metaphysical" question. Which is just... lol
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>Thought Slime
We're starting with a super low bar here today, folks.

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More deranged thirsting over his ill-fitting biker suit and bad shoes

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Transbian or bisexual woman? Most likely transbian,

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This guy has been blessedly out of the loop

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AGP SMIRK AGP SMIRK AGP SMIRK
 
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It's so weird that he obfuscated that he was talking about Ásta Kristjana Sveinsdóttir "Icelandics only have one name" you what? "I'm not quoting her for any particular reason" hmm.

Anyway nice voice coaching since the last video but you're going a bit Australian at times. And my favourite part was when Olly said "Mothers? They bleed and I Sneed"
 
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NOT the Dolce & Gabbana face shield. Why do Breadtube troons wear the tackiest possible fashion brands???? Hontra's obsession with Versace isn't much better.
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For anyone that cares, D&G were involved in many scandals for being racist, sexist, and homophobic. If his liberal audience was at all fashion-conscious he'd get cancelled for wearing this, but lucky for him Olly's audience is mostly troons.
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Well the troons on twitter lost their shit this week when a womans art twitter page posted a picture of coco chanel, because the nazis!! but its ok the troon had the racists fashion line thats different
 
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Assume Earth 2 - schmite, a social system based on height, which is silly. And assume Earth 0 where there's no social difference between anyone. Only natural properties, no social constructs. What a load of bollocks. Assume Earth -1, where there aren't even natural properties because you assume there's anything to measure. I don't really think these kinds of thought experiments lead to anywhere, really. I could assume any number of things and worlds and societal systems, but none of them matter, because they aren't real. This kind of universe-building might be useful in mathematics or physics, but not philosophy - ultimately, I think this is the principal difference between Olly and a classical philosophist like Plato. Plato was trying to discover the nature of, how should I put it, maybe anthropic reality? Olly here on the other hand is practically wanking on screen.

Social constructs shape nature which reinforces social constructs. Wew.

People confer social properties onto natural properties. What's the measure of cool then? I can kind of see where he might be going and what he's impying but fuck me if I can express it properly. Sadly I've only taken a single philosophy 101 class so I lack the necessary education to unravel and deconstruct his arguments.

lmao what if people disagree on the underlying natural properties of social constructs well some things might work some might not
He's been using "cool", which is objectively subjective, but this retard is conflating sex and race both of which are scientifically objective things with coolness. By this time he's changed twice and boy he still looks awful.

Social contructs are inherently changeable things - well sure, the concept of womanhood and what it means changes with time and cultures, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean we should embrace AGPs as genuine women. He's so fucking disingenuous.
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I have some background in philosophy, but am by no means an expert here, and from my experience thought experiments are mainly an exercise to work through an interesting, very specific, intellectual problem and are not meant to be applied to real life. They're thought puzzles with no "real" answer and they're designed to be abstract. Olly screws the pooch on that by trying to apply his dull metaphors to real life without setting up the parameters correctly, if I'm interpreting your summary of the vid correctly.

Re: Social constructs and shit, it sounds likes he's wandering into anthropology or sociology territory, not philosophy (haven't watched the vid.) There's overlap, but the concept and properties of "coolness" is something that I don't think actual academic philosophy would really touch on. Just to make PT mad, one could argue that his conflation of "coolness" with sex/race is also problematic because women weren't historically oppressed because some dude decided they weren't "cool enough" or whatever. The stakes are a little higher and the historical reasons for existing as even as social concepts are rooted in entirely different things, but what do I know.
 
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