Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Rekkington]

He might be doing that "I'm such a dainty lady that I got tipsy off my cute adorable little dessert tee hee" thing.

The only dessert I can think of that might have that effect is Jamaican Rum cake. After you've baked the cake, you poke holes in the bottom and tip a butter/sugar/rum mix all over it so the cake gets saturated. That can be pretty lethal sometimes.

Those Jamaicans are really something else.

 

[Dr. Troon Lagoon]

Jamaican Rum cake. After you've baked the cake, you poke holes in the bottom and tip a butter/sugar/rum mix all over it so the cake gets saturated.

"Babes", this is PT we are talking about, the semi home-made Bateman hon of Breadtube: you are putting more effort into musing what he could make than he actually would.
He probably just bought a big fuck off watermelon, plunged some cheap-ass vodka bottle in there, after deciding against sticking his own philosophy tube in it, and shoved it into the fridge calling it a day.

 

[Tombigbee]

Stanley Zbornak from Golden Girls always peppered his lines with “babe” too. It is such a strange affectation for Abighoul. Even Contra’s obnoxious “gorge” is sort of in line with gay male lingo. “Babe” just reeks of 1980’s sleaze, machismo, and smarm.

Abighoul and Contra, circa 2055:

 

[Longdrink]

Allow me to break with the fashion autism to introduce culinary autism and wanting to know precisely what dessert one could make where they become intoxicated after eating it. If it's anything baked or cooked in any way the alcohol tends to evaporate off. Rum and wine are popular ingredients to desserts but I want to know if this fucking trainwreck just poured a bunch of vodka into a bowl of ice cream which would not surprise me.

Also hey Olly, if you're telling us about how you have extremely different roles on a week-by-week basis you just sound like an extra.

Maybe some homemade ice cream with cream liqueur, Baileys or something like that?

 

[AfghanBlue]

Stanley Zbornak from Golden Girls always peppered his lines with “babe” too. It is such a strange affectation for Abighoul. Even Contra’s obnoxious “gorge” is sort of in line with gay male lingo. “Babe” just reeks of 1980’s sleaze, machismo, and smarm.

contra uses gorge pointedly ironically. PT uses babes constantly and casually as if he's said it his whole life, slipping in with suspicious ease into a totally new dialect

 

[Montalbane]

The man looks like a totenkopf.
He is the poster child for phrenology AND late term abortion.

 

[FluffyCat9000]

The use of "babe" / "babes" like this is probably to mimic London youth speak. Obviously PT, living in London like any good struggling actor, needs to show off about being hip and down with the cool kids style.

After already being "Northern" and using it in videos to lazily shorthand being personable.... then having a plummy posh accent from a privately educated, rich upbringing.... Now we gotta show community spirit with the edgy cool youth of London!

 

[LizCurly89]

Contra’s obnoxious “gorge”

Hontra stole that from Drag Race, i think from Farrah Moan who says 'gorge' a lot.

 

[AssignedEva]

Hontra stole that from Drag Race, i think from Farrah Moan who says 'gorge' a lot.

Likewise Ollie seems to have started saying "babes" after seeing Cheryl Hole (peak Essex) on Drag Race UK

 

[Tombigbee]

Here’s Olly’s Patreon sales pitch, (from his Patreon page). He’s an expert on feminism, art history, political science, and gender. His analysis goes above and beyond, and by supporting his fetish/content you are actshually helping starving children in third world countries who are clamoring to get the delusions of a sexually perverse male oaf in a dress:


W

When the British government tripled university tuition fees I decided to give away my MA in Philosophy free to people who don't have the opportunities for learning I've had. Pledges go towards technical stuff like microphones and lighting, research materials like books and articles, hiring a studio, and also keeping me fed, watered, and housed! 5% goes to Patreon itself.

There are lots of channels on YouTube that will just summarise famous works of philosophy for you; I want to get people in a position where they can take cutting edge academia and apply it to the real world. So as well as the classics like Socrates and Kant I also teach economics, global justice, feminism, the philosophy of gender, politics, art, and more!

Any donation you can make, however small, will help! I get fan mail from countries all around the world from teachers, students and kids saying thank you for providing educational materials for them, so you'll be doing good for thousands of people too!

 

[NormieCasual]

He might be doing that "I'm such a dainty lady that I got tipsy off my cute adorable little dessert tee hee" thing.

The only dessert I can think of that might have that effect is Jamaican Rum cake. After you've baked the cake, you poke holes in the bottom and tip a butter/sugar/rum mix all over it so the cake gets saturated. That can be pretty lethal sometimes.

Or he made a terrible trifle where he just pours a bottle of cherry on the sponge cake.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

Or he made a terrible trifle where he just pours a bottle of cherry on the sponge cake.

This is exactly what i thought

 

[TootfuckingToot]

Here’s Olly’s Patreon sales pitch, (from his Patreon page). He’s an expert on feminism, art history, political science, and gender. His analysis goes above and beyond, and by supporting his fetish/content you are actshually helping starving children in third world countries who are clamoring to get the delusions of a sexually perverse male oaf in a dress:


W

This is ridiculous, what a fucking grift.

Sorry powerleveling myself edit.

 

[AssignedEva]

This is ridiculous, what a fucking grift. I am a teaching Doctor of Economics with close relations to Philosophy faculty because of that dam PPE degree so favoured by the neo aristocracy. Have seen his videos, in no way imparting his degree never mind MA. The fucker went to a all male private school then ended up at St Andrews which certainly in the humanities is for those that can't get into Oxford et al but have a societal status and paying parents.

The idea this clown knows anything about anything other than being a rich white dude. Fuck off Olly go sneak a mid day dessert while the rest of us are fighting through and for the day.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the government triple fees for undergraduate degrees? It was my understanding that an MA in Philosophy was always expensive.

 

[FluffyCat9000]

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the government triple fees for undergraduate degrees? It was my understanding that an MA in Philosophy was always expensive.

I think that Scottish Universities have a different system, where the undergrads do 4 years (usually 3 in England) and get a Scottish MA (rather than a BA) as an integrated undergrad masters.

It's sneaky that it's non standard because in reality these MAs are not Necessarily up to the same standard as a separate BA then Masters (depending on the program and uni). But everyone can say they have an MA and technically it does outrank an English BA because of the extra year

 

[extranny456]

I can't help but notice this thread is filled with dumb mistakes (usually timeline related) so I put together this wonderful timeline (under spoiler) that goes into the actual timeframes of events and tries to debunk some misconceptions when it comes to Oliver's transition as well as the relationship between Nyk and Oliver.
Maybe it's my autism talking but I hate shit research even more than I hate trannies so I frankly don't give a shit if what I'm about to say makes these AGPs seem less terrible, at least I'm not lying to myself about the facts.
Also there's some lovely speculation peppered in for your entertainment since the post is already way too long.

PS: If you're wondering why I know so much abt trans healthcare in the UK it's cuz I used to be a TIM (*gasp*) going through transition in the UK. Don't ask me abt it, it was a shit emo phase.

So here's my lovely little triple checked Timeline:

Spoiler: Timeline

Late 2018 - late 2019: Oliver and Nyk are dating. [this has been confirmed over and over again in this thread]

October 2019: The "Queer" video comes out.
I'm gonna throw a curveball at y'all but I speculate that he identified as nonbinary at this point (whether Nyk or anyone else knew abt this is debatable). I do not have any credible sources just a bit of suspect subtext so take this with a rock of salt.
My main point is that if he accessed transition through the NHS [which is likely due to how much he talks about waiting times in his manifesto] he would've had to apply for gender therapy and enter a waiting list, and since those are sometimes years long, this is probably the most recent he could possibly have entered the system for him to be able to get HRT at the time he did. There's also a chance he could've done this while dating Nyk but my point is, if he went through the NHS, this is the latest he could've possibly applied.
Also, in order to change your gender marker [which he flaunts ever so subtly in his coming out video] in the UK you need to present 2 years of proof that you're the gender you say you are so I don't think it's a totally insane idea that he would enter the system at this time (although yes you can get "proof" in other ways).
Also fucking watch the video and tell me that's not a closeted tranny, I dare you.

Jan 2020: Nyk uploads "Cancelling" where he mentions that a prominent leftist figure raped him.
[The fact that this wasn't just sexual harassment but a full-on rape is later confirmed in the "J.K. Rowling" video.]
He talks about this in a very nonchalant way, as if he already made peace with this fact, it's likely that this happened quite a while back. At this time Nyk and Oliver were still good friends, regularly interacting through twitter etc.

Feb 2020: Nyk uploads "Shame" under which Oliver comments, revealing himself as "Chad" [this comment was later deleted]. This comment is hearted by Nyk, therefore it's very unlikely that the person who raped Nyk was Oliver.
After this Oliver has a mental breakdown, some speculate this is the moment his egg cracked but I am sceptical because of the aforementioned NHS waiting lists. I do think that it's possible that if he ID'd as nonbinary before this point, this was the moment where he went full-on tranny. This would also fit his claim that he started writing the script to the coming out video around a year before it came out.

April 2020: Oliver uploads his last video with a beard.

June 2020: Oliver uploads his first video without a beard under the guise of "scaring off the nazis".
In reality it was probably because he recently finally accessed gender therapy and knew if he didn't shave no one would take him seriously as a tran. We can't know for sure when he shaved, so it's just as possible that he started therapy right after filming the video in early April (and spent some time coming up with ways of excusing his missing facial hair in the next vid) or right after the June one.

June - August 2020: Oliver uploads multiple videos at this time during which we can pretty clearly see his features change ever so slightly. Notice how in "Logic" he still wears a tight-fitting shirt but after that he only wears big jackets to hide his skittle tits [he actually confirmed hiding his E tits in his coming out statement]. It is my belief that he started HRT somewhere in this timeframe and was definitely 100% on Estrogen by the time the "Confucius" video was uploaded.
Idk who spread the misinformation that he started HRT in Jan/Feb 2020 [he never said that lmao he only said that's when he started writing the script] but that shit makes no sense considering everything. Especially if you think that the Feb 2020 breakdown was his egg cracking, there's no way on earth or hell that he could access HRT that fucking quickly, even if he went private that's not how this works. Even if Feb 2020 indeed was the month he got transed getting HRT would not happen for months, which again brings us to this timeframe.

26th January 2021: Nyk uploads the "J.K.Rowling" video. From what I can gather Nyk and Oliver were still friends at this time.
This is the only video Nyk uploaded in the first half of 2021. At the time of writing it's his only 2021 video. After this he goes on the longest hiatus he has ever taken, and we probably know why.

30th January 2021: Oliver publicly comes out as a tranny.
I wanted to speculate on when he got his name and gender marker changed based on his tweets about making the video but it seems he has deleted all his tweets and replies from before June 4th so i cannot get the specific dates.
What we do know however is that by the point the video was being filmed he had been on HRT for at least a few months, changed his legal name and gender marker and had zero surgeries.
We also know that before the video was uploaded he still had an okay relationship with Nyk, good enough that he quoted him in his coming out video. A lot of people are saying this was intended to hurt Nyk but considering the fact that shit seemed to go down only AFTER this video was uploaded, I doubt it.

March 8th 2021: Nyk gets an ask about Oliver's coming out and says "I am not in that person's life anymore. I had an inkling but I don't particularly want to speak about it."
He says it like it's an open wound. Very different compared to the way he, for example, talks about his own rape.
Now this one is interesting for multiple reasons. First, we can tell that Nyk didn't know Oliver was trans, that's pretty obvious. Second, notice that the wording is "I am not in THIS PERSON's life", not "This person is not in my life anymore". He doesn't even acknowledge Oliver's new name on his own, he struggles to even say it out loud when reading the question.
Now I know y'all love to paint Oliver as this big narcissist supervillain (tbh i just think that's giving him too much credit, he's a soyboy with a big ego at best) so I get that what I'm gonna say will be controversial but...I think Oliver might've been the one to end things with Nyk.

At this point it's only speculation but what I think happened was pretty much:
O: Hey Nat! Look I'm a tran! My name is Abigail now! I paid an homage to you in my coming out statement!
N (high on opioids): ...Olly I don't know what the fuck happened but you're not trans. I know you! You're a guy through and through! When we met you were an absolute Chad! Please stop this man you're embarrassing yourself, the pandemic just got you all messed up.
O:...fuck off??

March 25th 2021: Philosophytube Kiwifarms thread is created.
I feel like this gives us the most info on why shit got so confusing. Y'all didn't collect info gradually, you just went off and compiled shit together so obviously it seems like they've had a falling out a longass time ago. I just think it's stupid trying to make it seem like y'all know everything behind these peoples facades while not even thinking abt some of the shit you put out here. Take this as a learning moment, triple check your claims!!! Also yea feel free to add onto this as you please, I'm really interested in y'all's takes.

I really enjoyed reading thru this thread, I just really think a lot of what you guys are saying is a lot more dramatic than the real lives of these AGP's. They're about as tasteful as a bag of concrete.

 

[AfghanBlue]

it's cuz I used to be a TIM (*gasp*) going through transition in the UK.

y'all

TRDR-
the first time i saw y’all i thought it might be meta, in keeping, but the second time, sandwiched aside absolute jaw dropping levels of lacking self awareness considering the ‘reason’ for posting- sheer speculation, i realised this is just true and genuine divvery.

all your medical timeline guesses mean shit all. people get bumped through all the time in private, and the black market exists.
speculating on all the most unknowable, least important parts of the topography of these udders tbh.

ps hi olly. pretty recent join date tho for some kind of…bland info, if it was to be taken as without some ulterior motive.
just kidding, idgaf

 

[esmeggs]

I can't help but notice this thread is filled with dumb mistakes (usually timeline related) so I put together this wonderful timeline (under spoiler) that goes into the actual timeframes of events and tries to debunk some misconceptions when it comes to Oliver's transition as well as the relationship between Nyk and Oliver.
Maybe it's my autism talking but I hate shit research even more than I hate trannies so I frankly don't give a shit if what I'm about to say makes these AGPs seem less terrible, at least I'm not lying to myself about the facts.
Also there's some lovely speculation peppered in for your entertainment since the post is already way too long.

So here's my lovely little triple checked Timeline:

Spoiler: Timeline

Late 2018 - late 2019: Oliver and Nyk are dating. [this has been confirmed over and over again in this thread]

October 2019: The "Queer" video comes out.
I'm gonna throw a curveball at y'all but I speculate that he identified as nonbinary at this point (whether Nyk or anyone else knew abt this is debatable). I do not have any credible sources just a bit of suspect subtext so take this with a rock of salt.
My main point is that if he accessed transition through the NHS [which is likely due to how much he talks about waiting times in his manifesto] he would've had to apply for gender therapy and enter a waiting list, and since those are sometimes years long, this is probably the most recent he could possibly have entered the system for him to be able to get HRT at the time he did. There's also a chance he could've done this while dating Nyk but my point is, if he went through the NHS, this is the latest he could've possibly applied.
Also, in order to change your gender marker [which he flaunts ever so subtly in his coming out video] in the UK you need to present 2 years of proof that you're the gender you say you are so I don't think it's a totally insane idea that he would enter the system at this time (although yes you can get "proof" in other ways).
Also fucking watch the video and tell me that's not a closeted tranny, I dare you.

Jan 2020: Nyk uploads "Cancelling" where he mentions that a prominent leftist figure raped him.
[The fact that this wasn't just sexual harassment but a full-on rape is later confirmed in the "J.K. Rowling" video.]
He talks about this in a very nonchalant way, as if he already made peace with this fact, it's likely that this happened quite a while back. At this time Nyk and Oliver were still good friends, regularly interacting through twitter etc.

Feb 2020: Nyk uploads "Shame" under which Oliver comments, revealing himself as "Chad" [this comment was later deleted]. This comment is hearted by Nyk, therefore it's very unlikely that the person who raped Nyk was Oliver.
After this Oliver has a mental breakdown, some speculate this is the moment his egg cracked but I am sceptical because of the aforementioned NHS waiting lists. I do think that it's possible that if he ID'd as nonbinary before this point, this was the moment where he went full-on tranny. This would also fit his claim that he started writing the script to the coming out video around a year before it came out.

April 2020: Oliver uploads his last video with a beard.

June 2020: Oliver uploads his first video without a beard under the guise of "scaring off the nazis".
In reality it was probably because he recently finally accessed gender therapy and knew if he didn't shave no one would take him seriously as a tran. We can't know for sure when he shaved, so it's just as possible that he started therapy right after filming the video in early April (and spent some time coming up with ways of excusing his missing facial hair in the next vid) or right after the June one.

June - August 2020: Oliver uploads multiple videos at this time during which we can pretty clearly see his features change ever so slightly. Notice how in "Logic" he still wears a tight-fitting shirt but after that he only wears big jackets to hide his skittle tits [he actually confirmed hiding his E tits in his coming out statement]. It is my belief that he started HRT somewhere in this timeframe and was definitely 100% on Estrogen by the time the "Confucius" video was uploaded.
Idk who spread the misinformation that he started HRT in Jan/Feb 2020 [he never said that lmao he only said that's when he started writing the script] but that shit makes no sense considering everything. Especially if you think that the Feb 2020 breakdown was his egg cracking, there's no way on earth or hell that he could access HRT that fucking quickly, even if he went private that's not how this works. Even if Feb 2020 indeed was the month he got transed getting HRT would not happen for months, which again brings us to this timeframe.

26th January 2021: Nyk uploads the "J.K.Rowling" video. From what I can gather Nyk and Oliver were still friends at this time.
This is the only video Nyk uploaded in the first half of 2021. At the time of writing it's his only 2021 video. After this he goes on the longest hiatus he has ever taken, and we probably know why.

30th January 2021: Oliver publicly comes out as a tranny.
I wanted to speculate on when he got his name and gender marker changed based on his tweets about making the video but it seems he has deleted all his tweets and replies from before June 4th so i cannot get the specific dates.
What we do know however is that by the point the video was being filmed he had been on HRT for at least a few months, changed his legal name and gender marker and had zero surgeries.
We also know that before the video was uploaded he still had an okay relationship with Nyk, good enough that he quoted him in his coming out video. A lot of people are saying this was intended to hurt Nyk but considering the fact that shit seemed to go down only AFTER this video was uploaded, I doubt it.

March 8th 2021: Nyk gets an ask about Oliver's coming out and says "I am not in that person's life anymore. I had an inkling but I don't particularly want to speak about it."
He says it like it's an open wound. Very different compared to the way he, for example, talks about his own rape.
Now this one is interesting for multiple reasons. First, we can tell that Nyk didn't know Oliver was trans, that's pretty obvious. Second, notice that the wording is "I am not in THIS PERSON's life", not "This person is not in my life anymore". He doesn't even acknowledge Oliver's new name on his own, he struggles to even say it out loud when reading the question.
Now I know y'all love to paint Oliver as this big narcissist supervillain (tbh i just think that's giving him too much credit, he's a soyboy with a big ego at best) so I get that what I'm gonna say will be controversial but...I think Oliver might've been the one to end things with Nyk.

At this point it's only speculation but what I think happened was pretty much:
O: Hey Nat! Look I'm a tran! My name is Abigail now! I paid an homage to you in my coming out statement!
N (high on opioids): ...Olly I don't know what the fuck happened but you're not trans. I know you! You're a guy through and through! When we met you were an absolute Chad! Please stop this man you're embarrassing yourself, the pandemic just got you all messed up.
O:...fuck off??

March 25th 2021: Philosophytube Kiwifarms thread is created.
I feel like this gives us the most info on why shit got so confusing. Y'all didn't collect info gradually, you just went off and compiled shit together so obviously it seems like they've had a falling out a longass time ago. I just think it's stupid trying to make it seem like y'all know everything behind these peoples facades while not even thinking abt some of the shit you put out here. Take this as a learning moment, triple check your claims!!! Also yea feel free to add onto this as you please, I'm really interested in y'all's takes.

I really enjoyed reading thru this thread, I just really think a lot of what you guys are saying is a lot more dramatic than the real lives of these AGP's. They're about as tasteful as a bag of concrete.

Do you honestly think Nyk and Olly were still friends by the time of the J.K. Rowling video??? Olly and Hontra had already unfollowed each other by August 2020. You also left out their last livestream together on April 2020, where Olly made several hints that he was going to troon out. Contra had 'some inklings' because Olly can't keep a secret and wanted to wave it in his face. Hontra had to have picked up on Olly's autogynephilia and started distancing himself from him well before the J.K. Rowling video.

(archive)

You also left out Contrapoints addressing "Abigail's" trooning out video in February 2021. @Tombigbee posted this in the Contrapoints thread:
'(4:42:27) Whoa someone asks directly about Abighoul and he answers. The question is did Contra offer any advice. Contra says, “I was not really involved, no. I feel like people really want this to be ‘a thing,’ but it’s not really a thing.” He looks a bit annoyed but laughs through his answer.'
It doesn't seem like a 'fresh wound' here, just someone that wants nothing to do with a tranny that holds up a mirror to their own AGP.

 

[Tombigbee]

What was the date of Olly’s infamous “I’ve never experienced gender dysphoria” live stream? I have a hard time believing he was “non binary” (eye roll) in October 2019.

Plus, I don’t really give a shit. These people (the trans cultists) can and will play their word games and backpedal and justify anything with their queer theory bullshit. He could say anything about his past now. Extranny you keep mentioning his medical transition but he chooses not to say publicly if he even is. Maybe with your experience you see telltale signs but it’s curious that he doesn’t say, no?

Anyway, what I do know is Oliver looks like a creepy serial killer in his Woman costume and he makes INSUFFERABLE political pronouncements about being trans 24/7, AND clearly, indisputably uses his troon-ness to grift and social climb. It’s the best thing that ever happened to him. “A gift,” as he says. And btw he did sort of harken back to the Paris Lees interview during his Pride speech. Paris had (candidly, I thought) told Olly that he (Paris) sometimes thinks being trans is “a curse.” Olly specifically said it wasn’t during his speech. Guess he knows better after six months, compared to someone who transitioned years ago.

That speech at London Pride (besides being literally the funniest thing I’ve ever seen) was an open declaration of grabbing “power” that he fully intends to wield. I mean, if he could. I know he’s just a T-list YouTube creep, lol.

We are all just making fun of him because he’s contemptible. Nobody actually gives a shit about the exact timeline of this and that. Or if we do only for our own edification and lulz.

 

[Karras Rising]

What was the date of Olly’s infamous “I’ve never experienced gender dysphoria” live stream? I have a hard time believing he was “non binary” (eye roll) in October 2019.

Plus, I don’t really give a shit. These people (the trans cultists) can and will play their word games and backpedal and justify anything with their queer theory bullshit. He could say anything about his past now. Extranny you keep mentioning his medical transition but he chooses not to say publicly if he even is. Maybe with your experience you see telltale signs but it’s curious that he doesn’t say, no?

Anyway, what I do know is Oliver looks like a creepy serial killer in his Woman costume and he makes INSUFFERABLE political pronouncements about being trans 24/7, AND clearly, indisputably uses his troon-ness to grift and social climb. It’s the best thing that ever happened to him. “A gift,” as he says. And btw he did sort of harken back to the Paris Lees interview during his Pride speech. Paris had (candidly, I thought) told Olly that he (Paris) sometimes thinks being trans is “a curse.” Olly specifically said it wasn’t during his speech. Guess he knows better after six months, compared to someone who transitioned years ago.

That speech at London Pride (besides being literally the funniest thing I’ve ever seen) was an open declaration of grabbing “power” that he fully intends to wield. I mean, if he could. I know he’s just a T-list YouTube creep, lol.

We are all just making fun of him because he’s contemptible. Nobody actually gives a shit about the exact timeline of this and that. Or if we do only for our own edification and lulz.

I think an accurate timeline is important, for archival purposes and to make sure they can’t concoct false narratives or memory-hole the past. When he finally gets cancelled because his bimbo-addled brain is demanding things he can’t have, we’ll be here, like some YouTube thumbnail of a troon in an armchair cosplaying as Sherlock Holmes, saying ‘I told you so’.