Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Ancient Pioneer]

I'm busy doing other stuff but I get the gist that the Taliban is working on encircling Kabul by taking the countryside and highways leading in and out. The entire campaign seems to be about isolating each city and then rolling in as the various militias realize that the Afghan government is doomed and take their payoff to surrender and go home.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

China prepares to move into Afghanistan following America's departure

American troops have finally departed their main military base in Afghanistan. China has been waiting in the wings in order to do a deal with Kabul and extend its 'Belt and Road' program there.

www.dailymail.co.uk

China already moving to into afghanistan pushing for a massive belt and road project in the country and probably pipelines to china from Iran.

Wonder how long before bagram becomes a chinese air base.

I just cant see China working with the Taliban so i guess we are going to see some new wierd phase of this never ending conflict.

Knowing clownworld, we will be supplying the Taliban with armaments to fight against our once friendly but now chinese backed regime.

Its all so tiresome....and embarrassing


I wonder if China considers the taliban a direct threat to its own sovereignty over islamic area of western china

 

[Super-Chevy454]

China prepares to move into Afghanistan following America's departure

American troops have finally departed their main military base in Afghanistan. China has been waiting in the wings in order to do a deal with Kabul and extend its 'Belt and Road' program there.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I wonder if China considers the taliban a direct threat to its own sovereignty over islamic area of western china

I guess they saw them as a direct threat in the long term and they might backstab the talibans in the back when the first occasion will arrive.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

I guess they saw them as a direct threat in the long term and they might backstab the talibans in the back when the first occasion will arrive.

I get the sense that the taliban just want to be left alone but China is gonna do China regardless and i can really see them move into the void and prop up the government.

I dont see the taliban wanting to work with godless communist.

Afganistan offers alot to China. An airbase and Leverage on India from a new direction, A direct route to unlimited Iranian oil, complete control of the worlds opium and most of all access to ridiculous amounts of untapped rare earth materials.

 

[SmugAutist]

I get the sense that the taliban just want to be left alone but China is gonna do China regardless and i can really see them move into the void and prop up the government.

I dont see the taliban wanting to work with godless communist.

Afganistan offers alot to China. An airbase and Leverage on India from a new direction, A direct route to unlimited Iranian oil, complete control of the worlds opium and most of all access to ridiculous amounts of untapped rare earth materials.

China has recently become even more arrogant than America. America may think that everyone wants to be like us, but China thinks that everyone not Chinese is a barbarian. Their excursion into Afghanistan is destined to failure but they are so far up their own ass that they ust look as the failures of America and the USSR and think they won't fall into the same trap.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The sooner we're out, the better. We wasted 20 years trying to socially engineer a country at gunpoint. Some people tried to rationalize this nation building by comparing it to Japan, but Afghanistan's situation was always very different from Japan's. 20 years occupying the shithole country amounted to nothing. Anothter 20 or more years would also amount to nothing. We CAN'T fix Afghanistan nor should we have ever tried to. Are the Taliban awful? Of course they are, but that doesn't justify staying in Afghanistan indefinitely to enforce an artificial peace that wasn't meant to be. The only real solution is to leave and let the various peoples of Afghanistan and their neighbors figure things out. We may not like it, but that's irrelevant. Most of the people backing the war for misguided reasons were never affected by what happens in Afghanistan in the first place. It was alway just a fantasy sport to the chickenhawks and ideologues.

I'm not sorry for how I feel. I used to support this war a long time ago, but over time realized it's a stupid quagmire. The best thing the United States, and its allies, can do is leave.

Exactly. Japan and Germany were completely decimated and already had a tradition of Western-style democracy (a lot of people who don't specifically read Japanese history don't know it, but Japan was, before fascism, a constitutional monarchy like Britain). Denazification/de-"Shintoizing" them were more of a return to the old status quo than trying to impose something completely new and alien.

But Afghanistan is also unfairly maligned as this permanent warzone which it's not really. It was a stable kingdom before the Communist revolution and Soviet intervention. Foreign power meddling is what MAKES Afghanistan what it is.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Saw this floating around:
The Taliban has released footage of the mass execution of about 10 Afghan special forces soldiers who surrendered, reportedly in the Dolat Abad district of Faryab province last month.

 

[XYZpdq]

China prepares to move into Afghanistan following America's departure

American troops have finally departed their main military base in Afghanistan. China has been waiting in the wings in order to do a deal with Kabul and extend its 'Belt and Road' program there.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Knowing clownworld, we will be supplying the Taliban with armaments to fight against our once friendly but now chinese backed regime.

gosh that would just be crazy if US forces accidentally left tons of crap behind while the Taliban took over

 

[Siino]

Looks like they're killing the people most able to cause them trouble, which I assume are Shia (who are somewhat smarter than Pashtun) militia who had a lot of special forces training and worked closely with US SF.

I think China has a pretty good grasp on Afghanistan. They're not far removed from civil war, mass drug addiction, mass corruption, tribalism, and general 3rd world conditions. Moreover, they need Afghanistan because they are surrounded by choke points, and the USA has the most powerful navy in the world. Without a means to get resources and ship finished goods by land, China is fucked. For that reason they must make good decisions and can't afford to waste any opportunities they find in Afghanistan.

The Uighur genocide (and it is a genocide) is self-inflicted. China has at least 2 large muslim populations in their borders, one sinicized, one not, that don't cause any problems. The Uighurs not only constantly cause problems in China, but they cause problems in ways that consistently make them lose all public support. Like, random machete attacks in subway stations and schools with triple digit death counts.

If the Uighurs stuck to sabotaging infrastructure and being layabouts the CCP would smile, grit their teeth, and offer even more concessions than they already do. Unfortunately for them they're too inbred and laser focused on fighting a war they will never win to think that far ahead.

I hope things turn to shit for China everywhere because I hate them, but I doubt they will in this particular circumstance. Most likely we'll just end up with a few million Afghans Afghanning it up in the USA, the Anglosphere, and Europe.

 

[draggs]

"Potential"

Bruh Afghanistan will be back to Taliban with 80% of the country vs. Northern Alliance with 20% of the country again by the new year

 

[Boston Brand]

Cool, glad to know all the guys I served with will get to see our own version of the Fall of Saigon.

That's gonna be something to watch get played on repeat during Midterms next year.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

More shade thrown

Now the Taliban claims to have taken 85% control of the nation

Good luck China

 

[Stoneheart]

i dont get why they are using some CIA Dark money to pay some Mercs.
The russians had pretty good results from that in the last decade. Turns out that muslim soldiers dont run away and join islamists if they have eastern european mercs behind them, firing on anybody running away.
Its also a good way to do what has to be done without pesky warcrime claims.

 

[Bosmadden]

Cool, glad to know all the guys I served with will get to see our own version of the Fall of Saigon.

That's gonna be something to watch get played on repeat during Midterms next year.

You won't get to see it.

There will be minimal coverage of Afghanistan, the corporate press can't allow Biden to be damaged in any way, his Presidency is far too fragile.

I'd check out overseas news services because outside of Fox (maybe) you won't be hearing shit about the fall of Kabul.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Cool, glad to know all the guys I served with will get to see our own version of the Fall of Saigon.

That's gonna be something to watch get played on repeat during Midterms next year.

The Media now would never cover that.....unless it could hurt Republicans in some way.

The media is owned by the Democrat party

it will be a footnote on page 17 of New York Times...if that. Most likely you wont even know it happened unless you read threads like this.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I forget where I got these but it appears to be a local control map of the area near Herat and Kandahar. I have some issues in real life happening at the moment so I haven't been following the Afghan stuff too closely but I get the sense that the Taliban are consolidating and repositioning before they make their big pushes on Herat and Kandahar.

As you can probably tell from the maps, the Taliban are taking a very classic approach to this conflict, and that is cut the city off by capturing the countryside then slowly approach and choke the life out of the city. They're extremely close to both cities so expect something to happen in July. Most of the latest news has been little more than "Militia surrenders in far flung district nobody has ever heard of" or "ANA units abandon post and cross the border into Tajikistan or Iran." I'm only really interested in the big swinging motions at this point.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

I forget where I got these but it appears to be a local control map of the area near Herat and Kandahar. I have some issues in real life happening at the moment so I haven't been following the Afghan stuff too closely but I get the sense that the Taliban are consolidating and repositioning before they make their big pushes on Herat and Kandahar.

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As you can probably tell from the maps, the Taliban are taking a very classic approach to this conflict, and that is cut the city off by capturing the countryside then slowly approach and choke the life out of the city. They're extremely close to both cities so expect something to happen in July. Most of the latest news has been little more than "Militia surrenders in far flung district nobody has ever heard of" or "ANA units abandon post and cross the border into Tajikistan or Iran." I'm only really interested in the big swinging motions at this point.

Looks like liveuamap..which os usually accurate

Link btw

This video from Abu Nasr Farahi borders shows security vehicles that were left behind by Afghani security forces who fled to Iran Islam Qala - Afghanistan news map - security alerts from Afghanistan - afghanistan.liveuamap.com

This video from Abu Nasr Farahi borders shows security vehicles that were left behind by Afghani security forces who fled to Iran. Afghanistan news on live map in English. Conflicts of Afghanistan: Taliban and Islamic State

afghanistan.liveuamap.com

 

[Boston Brand]

You won't get to see it.

There will be minimal coverage of Afghanistan, the corporate press can't allow Biden to be damaged in any way, his Presidency is far too fragile.

I'd check out overseas news services because outside of Fox (maybe) you won't be hearing shit about the fall of Kabul.

The Media now would never cover that.....unless it could hurt Republicans in some way.

The media is owned by the Democrat party

it will be a footnote on page 17 of New York Times...if that. Most likely you wont even know it happened unless you read threads like this.

Oh I know. Military news became a footnote the moment Obama got sworn in back in 2009.

Thing is... its not 1975, or even 2008. It doesn't have to make the NYT front page, photos and video will flood the Internet. Especially once the Taliban starts painting the streets of Kabul with the blood of anyone suspected of having worked with us.

Hell, there's already a rising note of anger among vet groups, even the lefty ones.

GOP would be stupid not to wave that bloody shirt, especially since it further guts Biden's moral high ground on refugees. Sure, we need illiterate Houndoran farmhands, but the guys who worked as intel and translators for us for years can get stuffed.

Doesn't help the pullout couldn't be going worse if Biden tried.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

So the Taliban only promised not to attack American troops. And Russians will aid Tajikistan along the Afghan Tajik border

 

[Super-Chevy454]

So the Taliban only promised not to attack American troops. And Russians will aid Tajikistan along the Afghan Tajik border

That video is now private. I guess that clip disturbed some folks because it showed an inconvenient truth.