Closed Species - Pay $500 to draw a bedazzled fox

SnottieLottie said:
I will never understand the way these people type up their “Terms of Service”. Bro you’re selling an item. If I want to call it a “slur” then I’m going to because it’s a drawing. What are you gonna do? Take it back? Oh no. How dreadful. You can’t physically take it so why would anyone be scared?View attachment 2315646View attachment 2315647
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Who the hell is paying $65 for chubby cow girls that are just copypasted from the artists base? Just make up your own chubby cow girls to whack off to, there is literally nothing that is immediately obvious that makes these "special", unless you're a fan of the artist and their lazy base technique.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
How on earth do they enforce their "ownership" of this? Do they really take this shit to federal court and try and explain to a a judge how a goat boy wearing stockings is copyright compliant?
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They by and large don't, except that if someone does something they disagree with they will "resell" the one the other person owns. So long as nobody goes to court over it, it's a solid grift because it lets you double dip on designs with highly inflated market values.
 
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surprisingly I've not actually seen how dA artists handle their species but the most I've seen furry artists handle their own species is that, while they cannot (usually) take ownership away from the owner of a character as that'd be kind of shit to do considering that the artist got paid money for their species design, they however do let their artist friends know if the problem person has been way too problematic to the owner of the species or their shittiness has reached towards the creator of the species. Unfortunately, the closest I have of this coming out on hand is the following as the only other artists i recall making these statements about banned users having deleted their statements:
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/9893992/ / https://archive.ph/xYb0M archive (what makes this FA Journal related to a shitty person is a tweet they made earlier to this journal)
https://twitter.com/Mawnstrous/status/1401330693834170379 / https://archive.ph/O5Y3R
 
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How on earth do they enforce their "ownership" of this? Do they really take this shit to federal court and try and explain to a a judge how a goat boy wearing stockings is copyright compliant?
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In a lot of cases, enforcement of ownership comes down to three simple things: the threat of being blacklisted, having your ownership revoked, and/or subsequently voiding the character. These are seen as extreme measures, but a lot of CS (and artists by extension) have semi-open semi-secret blacklists where any engagement with the blacklisted is strictly forbidden. You cannot sell or trade designs to these users, lest risk yourself being banned and/or blacklisted, and receiving designs from them is generally seen as bad practice. Once this measure is taken, much of the enforcement stops there; however, in the case of bigger CS groups, revoking ownership comes next.

Revoking ownership is exactly what it sounds like. If the design was purchased, the creator of the group rescinds the right of the purchaser to use the design and reclaims it as their own, without any financial compensation. This always causes a panic when it happens, because it opens the doorway for abuse of the practice, and many players will rightfully resell and flee if an order to revoke a character comes down. Most CS thereby avoid this, and will instead void the character outright and allow the blacklisted owner to keep it, although they can no longer use it in "official" spaces. Interacting with voided characters warrants the same risk as engaging with blacklisted owners. It's all just petty shit.
 
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sarcasticslipandslide said:
In a lot of cases, enforcement of ownership comes down to three simple things: the threat of being blacklisted, having your ownership revoked, and/or subsequently voiding the character. These are seen as extreme measures, but a lot of CS (and artists by extension) have semi-open semi-secret blacklists where any engagement with the blacklisted is strictly forbidden. You cannot sell or trade designs to these users, lest risk yourself being banned and/or blacklisted, and receiving designs from them is generally seen as bad practice. Once this measure is taken, much of the enforcement stops there; however, in the case of bigger CS groups, revoking ownership comes next.

Revoking ownership is exactly what it sounds like. If the design was purchased, the creator of the group rescinds the right of the purchaser to use the design and reclaims it as their own, without any financial compensation. This always causes a panic when it happens, because it opens the doorway for abuse of the practice, and many players will rightfully resell and flee if an order to revoke a character comes down. Most CS thereby avoid this, and will instead void the character outright and allow the blacklisted owner to keep it, although they can no longer use it in "official" spaces. Interacting with voided characters warrants the same risk as engaging with blacklisted owners. It's all just petty shit.
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So basically it's Lord of the Flies rules, but with furry fetishism. Absolutely delightful.
what could go wrong?!:popcorn:
 
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sarcasticslipandslide said:
In a lot of cases, enforcement of ownership comes down to three simple things: the threat of being blacklisted, having your ownership revoked, and/or subsequently voiding the character. These are seen as extreme measures, but a lot of CS (and artists by extension) have semi-open semi-secret blacklists where any engagement with the blacklisted is strictly forbidden. You cannot sell or trade designs to these users, lest risk yourself being banned and/or blacklisted, and receiving designs from them is generally seen as bad practice. Once this measure is taken, much of the enforcement stops there; however, in the case of bigger CS groups, revoking ownership comes next.

Revoking ownership is exactly what it sounds like. If the design was purchased, the creator of the group rescinds the right of the purchaser to use the design and reclaims it as their own, without any financial compensation. This always causes a panic when it happens, because it opens the doorway for abuse of the practice, and many players will rightfully resell and flee if an order to revoke a character comes down. Most CS thereby avoid this, and will instead void the character outright and allow the blacklisted owner to keep it, although they can no longer use it in "official" spaces. Interacting with voided characters warrants the same risk as engaging with blacklisted owners. It's all just petty shit.
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This makes Mean Girls look like Pleasant Ladies in comparison! This has got to be the most Mafia-like community I've ever seen! Why would anyone want to engage in the closed species community when you're just putting a target on your back?

It makes me wonder if there's a creator whitelist that doesn't do this petty bullcrap and if you adopt a design, it's 100% yours with no catch or surveillance.
 
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Kuchipatchi said:
Why would anyone want to engage in the closed species community when you're just putting a target on your back?
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The closed species community is very much up its own ass the majority of the time, as this thread can testify to. Plenty of the people involved, artists and buyers alike, do a lot of what they do for clout — collecting "brand name" designs, using them as trade fodder, flipping them for profit, upselling them or up"trading" them (trading one design for multiple other ones), and general hoarding of "rare" characters is par for the course here. It is not uncommon for "powerful" players, like design hoarders and auction whales, to have their own cliques of orbiters that defend their every move.

Imagine a mafia run by Mean Girls who get passive aggressive with you, steal your money and toys, and ban you from their clubhouse instead of leaving horse heads in your bed. That's what closed species communities boil down to.
 
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A_042 said:
I know Waschmittelpulver's design is a mess but how did this design get over 1k usd bid? Its palette is ugly as fuck.
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Porkbun is another highly-valued artist in the Stygians community and does a lot of assets for the game, on top of being a (mostly inactive) mod (due to being involved with more real life projects, including several design studios). She is an extremely talented artist when she's not doing whatever the fuck that is. A lot of her designs are hit or miss, but she has a large fanbase who is willing to shell out a lot of money for her artwork. I don't remember if it's been posted in the thread or not, but this design (Child of Riddles, another porkbun design) sold for $3100.

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sarcasticslipandslide said:
Porkbun is another highly-valued artist in the Stygians community and does a lot of assets for the game, on top of being a (mostly inactive) mod (due to being involved with more real life projects, including several design studios). She is an extremely talented artist when she's not doing whatever the fuck that is. A lot of her designs are hit or miss, but she has a large fanbase who is willing to shell out a lot of money for her artwork. I don't remember if it's been posted in the thread or not, but this design (Child of Riddles, another porkbun design) sold for $3100.

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It's like an overdesigned Cheshire cat with an anime girl head. It does look cool on a first glance, maybe, but $3100... Well, at least you can tell what it is, I guess. I think that's the only thing you can say as a positive for Stygian designs at this point.
 
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