Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[Hackallier]

How severe and in what country? I know of people who deal with that kind of thing, but only in the US. The FDA added a warning about inflammation of the heart and surrounding tissue to the EUA prescribing guide. For anecdotes, I checked my heart after getting both Pfizer doses and it was fine, at least as far as I can tell without multi-lead EKG and MRI scanning.

Myocardial infraction after the second vaccine shot. This reaction is very bad.
Any anectodal information helps possibly save a life.

 

[Vecr]

@Hackallier, on page 18 of this PDF it talks about heart inflammation, but I'm not really sure if it's helpful at this point: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download . The condition should be treated the same as if it was caused by a virus if other causes that are not the vaccine are ruled out. I'm not a doctor (obviously) so I can't really do anything.

 

[EyelessMC]

Just found out that Youtube took down the CPAC video (archived in the OP) for "Violating Terms of Service".

Right...

Also apparently the Wuhan lab wasn't just conducting Gain of Function research, but was doing so with genetically mutated humanized mice with the help of the Chinese military.

https://archive.md/3FCap
Another link and an interesting vid have been archived in the OP as well. Seems like it's time for people who say "conspiracy theory" about the lab leak to be physically hit in the mouth.

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What in the hell is with that ratio, and why does it seem the vaccinated are in greater danger of the Delta variant than unvaccinated?

Man I just wanted to read about current shit going on with vaccines so I can see if there's any improvement to the side efects/success rate and you niggers keep on bringing politics, tin foil, and autism.

If you're one of those people, I fucking hate you. Climb into a fucking wood chipper feet first so I can actually fucking read news and information.

Don't worry, the OP is comprised of verifiable information and is replete with videos, articles and archives. You'll get better overviews of the state of things by checking the OP occasionally and looking to see These symbols are for newer updates.

Just added the China mice military thing with "NEW UPDATE" in big bold letters into the Science spoiler. From the next point on I think I'll add a NEW UPDATE spoiler and change info in it as stuff comes in, taking previous info in it and putting it into the proper category. That way we can still see great posts in the thread but for those who don't want to skim through shitposts and politicking they can just find info updates on the OP without relying on symbols or Ctrl+F

I mean, I agree with Dr. Malone here. Obviously there was not proper dose-response testing done in regards to the production of the Spike protein. Which is why we're seeing such reactions. As far as I can tell, he's right in that there have been no dose response studies done in terms of the Spike protein, which is troubling. Which means we don't exactly know how much of the protein is being produced by our cellular machinery and it could vary from person to person depending on genetic factors.

So while the mRNA was radiolabeled, the Spike protein was not. That's a study I'd like to see, radio-labeling of the Spike protein itself and accumulation in specific tissues. That's something we really don't know honestly. The probability is that they over-estimated the mRNA amount and it is probably producing far more Spike protein than is needed to produce a response. So that's why we can be seeing this adverse effect range.

I didn't even consider that possibility but you've got a great point. Also yeah, more study and especially one where we radio-label the Spike protein and its accumulation is needed, most definitely in light of what's transpiring in the adverse effects.

Spoiler: the rest of my reply

Again, its up to you. But this is the largest clinical trial in history and I understand if you don't want to be a part of it

The way you put it gives a tinge of black humor

Most people are focusing on the mRNA, which isn't the problem. Its the production of the protein that is the problem. It is way cheaper to develop an mRNA than have that Spike protein harvested. This probably fucked us over since you don't really need to hypothesize the response in people.

Interesting point, also considering we didn't know what we know now about the Spike protein itself when the vaccines were first being quickly developed and readied for distribution last year. That's why time is so invaluable with this kind of thing; time needs its breathing room for full and proper testing.

Also, don't forget, COVID and its mutations have very long lasting effects if you do get it.

Also a very good point.

Yeah, you can probably live and ride it out, but it still is damaging. Now is it as damaging as the vaccine? No, probably not. I would most certainly not give it to children or teens, however. That's completely idiotic.

Agreed.

I mean, when something is pushed so hard you should be skeptical about it. The media is getting retardedly political about it and its pretty fucking disgusting. Usually when you see something being pushed hard, people are going to push back at it. So you look at this shit and go 'What the fuck are you so concerned about'. I mean, it only gets horrifying when its at the point of a gun. Most people still aren't vaccinated and only got one dose.

Yeah, and it's not just the media but BigTech and even politicians--on both sides, too. Each of them want the prize praise while shoving all criticisms onto the other. Honestly if it proved and was fully accepted that the vaccines, as they currently are, are objectively and universally poisonous then we'd see a 180 turnabout from "WE got the vaccines going! WE deserve the praise!" to "THEY got it vaccines going and are killing us!"
It's disgusting yeah, and indicative of just how much the caustic partisan bickering takes precedence over absolutely everything.

It is far, far easier to control people's behavior through economic conditions.

That's why I always got annoyed at the older generation getting huffy about why younger people aren't having kids at the same age, as if they are still living with the same economic environment they did.

Basically it is all China's fault because they fucked up with their research and their Biolab level '4' was more than likely built half-assed and some gain of function research clearly slipped loose. I've been saying this from the start. The thing is, it just happened to be beneficial for the ultra wealthy.

Considering the revelations above about the humanized mice testing I'm thinking they got what their research aimed for, but like you said, they also had a China Quality™ Biolab

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

It sure does seem to be the case. No vaccine is 100% effective and with millions of people vaccinated, even a 1% ineffectiveness rate is still a lot of people.

Your side is damn eager to create problems where none existed (access to work, business and social events) previously just so you can claim credit for solving it.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Your side is damn eager to create problems where none existed (access to work, business and social events) previously just so you can claim credit for solving it.

What?

 

[Gay Mouth]

In this thread: the top hat is officially rededicated as a mark of respect from Terry Boulder. If you receive a top hat from our brother, consider yourself blessed and continue in your bold and important work.

 

[Blasterman]

A family member of mine just got a severe cardio reaction less than a week after the second vaccine dose.
Please give any anectdotal information that might help if it exists.

I don't really think this is helpful for those who have already gotten the vaccine but.. eh.
Dr. John Campbell talks a bit about the possible mechanism for myocarditis and methods of preventing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUyQ2luZAWo
1) It's better safe than sorry to have the nurse aspirate the needle when injecting, just to ensure not injecting directly into a vein.
2) Don't engage in vigorous exercise for around 4 days after the vaccine. Myocarditis can essentially be triggered by a combination of factors (i.e. vigorous exercise + recent vaccination )

 

[knobslobbin]

We are losing good doctors and nurses who refuse to work with all the shady shit going on. But luckily the ones that remain know where their paycheck comes from, fuck ethics & patients.

 

[EyelessMC]

We are losing good doctors and nurses who refuse to work with all the shady shit going on. But luckily the ones that remain know where their paycheck comes from, fuck ethics & patients.
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Hearing this coming from a woman with pink hair is messing with my brain. It's like seeing a cat bark.
Good find, though. The heart issue is definitely going to be the lynchpin when discussing the Spike protein and the vaccines as they currently are with normies.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Hearing this coming from a woman with pink hair is messing with my brain. It's like seeing a cat bark.
Good find, though. The heart issue is definitely going to be the lynchpin when discussing the Spike protein and the vaccines as they currently are with normies.

You mean the spike protein, which the very study you link to says isn't an issue in the vaccine but is an issue with covid itself? The study you keep quoting gives an even bigger reason to get the vaccine. It's ironic how you titled this thread "general info" when you just give schizophrenic anti-vax bullshit and ignore the very study you link to, which concludes the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Mental health is important, kids.

 

[EyelessMC]

You mean the spike protein, which the very study you link to says isn't an issue in the vaccine but is an issue with covid itself?

Thanks for reminding me you exist and, as usual, are willfully blind and illiterate.
Fix a router in the trenches

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Thanks for reminding me you exist and, as usual, are willfully blind and illiterate.
Fix a router in the trenches

And as usual you don't address the criticism with your schizophrenic post.

The very study you are obsessed with claims the exact opposite of what you sperg about in your schizo posts.

 

[Quiet Guy]

You mean the spike protein, which the very study you link to says isn't an issue in the vaccine but is an issue with covid itself? The study you keep quoting gives an even bigger reason to get the vaccine. It's ironic how you titled this thread "general info" when you just give schizophrenic anti-vax bullshit and ignore the very study you link to, which concludes the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Mental health is important, kids.

Are you trying to say the vaccine won't cause issues, since it's the spike protein that causes it? I believe the vaccines use spike proteins as the target; in the case of mRNA vaccines, the cells themselves produce the protein. It looks like the spike protein results in mitochondrial dysfunction and a decrease of ACE2 and NO, which I believe is a signal molecule. This is probably what leads to the inflammation. With that said, I would imagine a vaccine that only produces a fragment of the spike protein would in theory be feasible, but I don't know much about vaccine design. If you're trying to say the vaccine won't have this problem because it generates antibodies that inhibit the spike protein, that also seems wrong, since the spike proteins will potentially have the opportunity to damage the vascular tissue before antibodies are generated.

I thought I also read somewhere that the RNA was also triggering the heart inflammation, but I can't find precisely what I thought I read. I thought it was on the CDC, so maybe they took it down. Do these vaccines use double-stranded RNA? That could cause an immune response. Does anyone else remember anything like this? I kind of feel like I'm losing my mind.

Also, apparently the Johnson & Johnson vaccine can cause Guillain-Barré Syndrome, because of course it can. It's an autoimmune disease that results in demyelination of neurons. I believe it's typically caused by exposure to influenza. I think it's rarely caused by the vaccine, but it's still vexing that there is another possible side-effect.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Are you trying to say the vaccine won't cause issues, since it's the spike protein that causes it? I believe the vaccines use spike proteins as the target; in the case of mRNA vaccines, the cells themselves produce the protein. It looks like the spike protein results in mitochondrial dysfunction and a decrease of ACE2 and NO, which I believe is a signal molecule. This is probably what leads to the inflammation. With that said, I would imagine a vaccine that only produces a fragment of the spike protein would in theory be feasible, but I don't know much about vaccine design. If you're trying to say the vaccine won't have this problem because it generates antibodies that inhibit the spike protein, that also seems wrong, since the spike proteins will potentially have the opportunity to damage the vascular tissue before antibodies are generated.

I thought I also read somewhere that the RNA was also triggering the heart inflammation, but I can't find precisely what I thought I read. I thought it was on the CDC, so maybe they took it down. Do these vaccines use double-stranded RNA? That could cause an immune response. Does anyone else remember anything like this? I kind of feel like I'm losing my mind.

Also, apparently the Johnson & Johnson vaccine can cause Guillain-Barré Syndrome, because of course it can. It's an autoimmune disease that results in demyelination of neurons. I believe it's typically caused by exposure to influenza. I think it's rarely caused by the vaccine, but it's still vexing that there is another possible side-effect.

The study itself, which that schizophrenic retard keeps parroting, even specifically mentions that the vaccine does not cause the issue because it was done in a way so that it wouldn't.

 

[Quiet Guy]

The study itself, which that schizophrenic retard keeps parroting, even specifically mentions that the vaccine does not cause the issue because it was done in a way so that it wouldn't.

Which study is that? I might be looking at a different one.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Which study is that? I might be looking at a different one.

The one linked in OP. See this post where schizOP gets dunked on but tardrages in denial instead

 

[Sanshain]

Which study is that? I might be looking at a different one.

Protip: You won't get anything out of HHH. He's a known troll. Don't engage.

 

[Quiet Guy]

The one linked in OP. See this post where schizOP gets dunked on but tardrages in denial instead

I was looking at SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2. As a note what you linked isn't actually a study; it's a scientist speaking about the vaccine. I see his reasoning, but I'm uncertain about his point regarding the spike protein being in the membrane. It may interact with ACE2 after the membranes fuse as well and downregulate it after the initial interaction. The study I mentioned also indicates that the spike protein can target the lungs and vascular tissue, which could indicate that it's responsible for the myocarditis. Still there is also the possibility of lipids causing the inflammation.

The CDC discusses inflammation of the heart in young people after the mRNA vaccines. It seems likely they're linked given the age group, but have any studies established that yet?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I was looking at SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2. As a note what you linked isn't actually a study; it's a scientist speaking about the vaccine. I see his reasoning, but I'm uncertain about his point regarding the spike protein being in the membrane. It may interact with ACE2 after the membranes fuse as well and downregulate it after the initial interaction. The study I mentioned also indicates that the spike protein can target the lungs and vascular tissue, which could indicate that it's responsible for the myocarditis. Still there is also the possibility of lipids causing the inflammation.

The CDC discusses inflammation of the heart in young people after the mRNA vaccines. It seems likely they're linked given the age group, but have any studies established that yet?

I was referring to this, which schizOP links to in OP and keeps sperging about: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.

So the study literally says the exact opposite of what @EyelessMC says and actually gives more incentive to get vaccinated, and when you point it out, he tardrages and calls you a troll. His anti-vax ass needs to get back on his schizo meds

 

[Thomas Highway]

Still not jabbed pals.

Not proud of it. Just gonna keep wearing my mask.

I have no excuses other than irrational fears of the jab.