Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[hogdogmog]

Agreed. Lets leave the fanfiction writing to Jazz.

Spoiler: WATTPAD USER JAZZ JENNINGS

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Wait, 16-year-old Jazz was writing mother-son sissification fics??? It really looks like this is legit, unless someone went to a hell of a lot of effort. Fuck they really did a number on this kid.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

My God, did they only have enough brains for the other two kids, or are they all this dumb? Actually that's too generous- a person can be kind of a dope while not being this contrived. Dude is turning into a total tryhard with this positivity and allyship thing, and I'm sure people can smell the desperation a mile away.

It's possible that he had the potential to be book smart and squandered it on trying to be a social media influencer. Ari and Griffen are studying medicine and law respectively, those are logical, problem solving disciplines. Sander may have been good at that as well but instead he's trying and failing to be philosophical and socially aware when his brain just doesn't work that way.

Or he's just a dunce.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

in the same way, despite all their reeeeee-ing about how they’re true and honest wamman inside, you’ll never see any troon activists calling for scientific research into any possible biological basis for troonism. Because they know that there is none - it’s all based on fantasy and fetishism.

They never shut up about the brain scans they did on transwomen that totally prove that they have brains similar to actual women. Of course they ignore the studies that show the opposite (there have been a few.) And of course they also kick and scream whenever you point out that people with autism are more likely to transition.

Troons heckin' love a science as long as it suits them. Otherwise it can go away.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

My God, did they only have enough brains for the other two kids, or are they all this dumb?

50% of their kids ended up non-retarded, so I think that's pretty good given how poisonous that family dynamic has been for years.

Are therapists even allowed to be truthful to him because of trans protected status?

Therapy is a hack field filled with woke retards. I'm sure there are therapists that would look at Jazz and say he has legitimate issues stemming back from his parents raising him as a child, but why go through that pain and trouble when they could just find some mermaid fantasizing, trans affirming "therapist"?

 

[Akashic Retard]

Late, but:

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

They never shut up about the brain scans they did on transwomen that totally prove that they have brains similar to actual women. Of course they ignore the studies that show the opposite (there have been a few.) And of course they also kick and scream whenever you point out that people with autism are more likely to transition.

Troons heckin' love a science as long as it suits them. Otherwise it can go away.

also, the brain scans you refer to were bullshit anyway because there was no proper control and the researchers didn’t bother to check which participants were taking estrogen and which weren’t. Also, the “different” brains weren’t actually the same as female brains. They were just a teensy bit different from male brains. In my view, all it really “proved” is that fapping to sissy porn and bronies in a basement 24/7 gives you brain damage.

 

[Marvin]

also, the brain scans you refer to were bullshit anyway because there was no proper control and the researchers didn’t bother to check which participants were taking estrogen and which weren’t. Also, the “different” brains weren’t actually the same as female brains. They were just a teensy bit different from male brains. In my view, all it really “proved” is that fapping to sissy porn and bronies in a basement 24/7 gives you brain damage.

Well and all the transwomen in that study were homosexuals. Males attracted to males might have neural quirks that are similar to straight females, is what that study showed. The jury's still out on if there's anything unique about male-attracted transwomen compared to ordinary cis gay men.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Even in that paper, she claims it was Jeanette who was first freaking out about Jazz "feminine" tendencies.

Yes, because she's totally going to be honest about this: "I saw a boy who liked girl stuff and instead of being professional and telling his mother that it is perfectly normal for children that young to try things from the opposite sex, I gave her the idea of the kid being possibly trans."

The problem wasn't Jeanette freaking out about Jazz's feminine tendencies. Many parents do "fear" that something's wrong with their kids when they do things like this and it's the job of a real professional to tell them this behaviour is fine and expected from children. This is not what happened. In fact, she's trying to blame it on Jeannette when it was HER responsibility to simply let things unfold and let Jazz develop on his own until he was old enough.

We don't know much about what REALLY happened during Jazz's childhood, but if there is something we can get from it is that a lot has been highly romanticised for the cameras and for the audience. There are books and videos of Jazz saying how happy he was being a "girl" when he could barely speak and formulate complex emotions that young. But this is what the family is selling to the world. We really don't know what actually happened and how much it's been pushed for Jazz to act this way. Kids, specially abused kids, look to please their parents so their parents will be in a good mood and love them. An abused kid will accept the abuse as long as "mommy" is happy because that makes them feel "safe".

Late, but:

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That boob really looks like a male pectoral.

 

[all4mom2]

Yes, because she's totally going to be honest about this: "I saw a boy who liked girl stuff and instead of being professional and telling his mother that it is perfectly normal for children that young to try things from the opposite sex, I gave her the idea of the kid being possibly trans."
The problem wasn't Jeanette freaking out about Jazz's feminine tendencies. Many parents do "fear" that something's wrong with their kids when they do things like this and it's the job of a real professional to tell them this behaviour is fine and expected from children. This is not what happened. In fact, she's trying to blame it on Jeannette when it was HER responsibility to simply let things unfold and let Jazz develop on his own until he was old enough.

Debbie DOESN'T try to blame it on Jeanette (that would be this forum). She states that, yes, it's not uncommon for little boys to experiment with girls' clothing and toys, but Jazz was different. She takes credit for the "discovery" in 2002. Have you read the dissertation? It's all about Jazz, by name, from pages 23-38, including her artwork (I mean, "expressive therapy"). I don't see how anyone can deny her role.

http://www.esextherapy.com/dissertations/DeborahEveBabyatskyGraysonCounselingTransgenderYouthUtilizingExpressiveArtTherapies.pdf

 

[KooksandFreaks]

also, the brain scans you refer to were bullshit anyway because there was no proper control and the researchers didn’t bother to check which participants were taking estrogen and which weren’t. Also, the “different” brains weren’t actually the same as female brains. They were just a teensy bit different from male brains. In my view, all it really “proved” is that fapping to sissy porn and bronies in a basement 24/7 gives you brain damage.

Well and all the transwomen in that study were homosexuals. Males attracted to males might have neural quirks that are similar to straight females, is what that study showed. The jury's still out on if there's anything unique about male-attracted transwomen compared to ordinary cis gay men.

It really doesn’t matter what the brains of transgender people look like. We do not determine sex in humans beings according to the way their brains are structured. No doctor can diagnose a patient as trans by looking at an MRI of their brain.

So much of the science surrounding transgenderism is agenda-driven anyway. Even the most biased, “sex is a spectrum,” pro-trans researchers are obliged to rely on an objective and clinical definition of “female" when comparing troon brains to those of actual women in their studies. Pretty ironic, when you think about it.

 

[heathcliff]

Cousin Debbie's dissertation and Jazz's books have been posted as PDF attachments by me.

Combined, they can give you some insight on how Jazz's diagnosis came about.

(The downloads were free: I did not pay for them.)

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Agreed. Lets leave the fanfiction writing to Jazz.

Spoiler: WATTPAD USER JAZZ JENNINGS

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That Wattpad account was debunked as being from the 'real' Jazz Jennings, I believe. The "I Am Jazz" critics on Reddit's now-banned r/GenderCritical did some digging and the conclusion was it was written by an imposter. Perhaps someone with a Wattpadd-account can find out more?

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Late, but:

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Why oh why would Jazz need to learn to love himself?? I thougt his puberty was prevented & his dick multilated into a horrible crotch wound to make him love himself??

 

[Marvin]

It really doesn’t matter what the brains of transgender people look like. We do not determine sex in humans beings according to the way their brains are structured. No doctor can diagnose a patient as trans by looking at an MRI of their brain.

It's not that their sex would be up for dispute (male people with birth defects, even sex related ones, are still male), but it'd give more legitimacy to the idea that some cases of gender dysphoria are more intractable, perhaps justifying more drastic treatments than if it were solely caused by psychological problems. (Not that I personally think that, but it at least raises the question.)

Of course while troons initially jumped on the "neurologically trans" concept, many quickly backed off from it. See, if we start developing better diagnostic criteria, especially involving hard evidence like brain scans, it might turn out that most of them are merely fetishists. (what we on KF already know to be the case)

 

[all4mom2]

Isn't troonism a fairly recent development in human history? I don't think our brains have changed significantly. I vote for the power of suggestion and social contagion.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Isn't troonism a fairly recent development in human history? I don't think our brains have changed significantly. I vote for the power of suggestion and social contagion.

I'm actually about halfway through a thesis about the berdache/"two-spirit" among Native American cultures and it's interesting what it was and what it wasn't.

https://jyx.jyu.fi/bitstream/handle/123456789/7281/URN_NBN_fi_jyu-2005460.pdf?sequence=1

The "two-spirit" term was coined recently because "berdache" translates pretty directly into "catamite" and was borrowed into the French from an Arab word meaning "slave."

The berdache was a person (almost always male) who dressed as the opposite sex, did the work of the opposite sex, and often married someone of the same sex. The cross-dressing may have been complete or partial, and even though they usually did the work of the opposite sex, this appears to have been flexible when needed.

They were uncommon; figures given for some tribes is that maybe 1 in 100 men became berdaches.

It wasn't the same as being gay; there were people who had homosexual sex but who were not berdaches. Some of them were asexual or celibate.

Hermaphrodites/intersex people became berdaches. Non-intersex berdaches almost always "came out" before puberty. They often had dreams about particular goddesses or mythological women, or they went on a vision quest where they had to choose between, say, a bow and a loom.

They often (always?) had a religious or cultural role in the community. Part of this is thought that since men and women had really rigid social roles as far as who was allowed to talk to who, being able to transcend those roles gave someone mystical power. They gave blessings and prophesies and consulted with warriors before a battle.

There is some discussion/debate about which families they came from. Some people apparently came from families that were already wealthy/high status, but some allegedly came from families where there were no sisters to take care of the elderly.

They were considered economically successful and "lucky." Part of this, of course, is that unlike a real woman, they didn't have to deal with having kids, so they could devote themselves full time to women's work.

They were considered a third gender or a mixing of the genders. In some tribes, they were affiliated with councils of post-menopausal women.

In summary, they were more like Jazz Jennings than someone who troons out at age 35. But there was no insistence that they were True and Honest women; they were their own thing and had a culturally proscribed role.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[all4mom2]

Impressive! But I'm not sure that's "true" trooning; more like cross-dressing and role-playing (or gender-bending). As Debbie writes, what made Jazz different was that she (sic) didn't just dress in tutus and plastic heels, she insisted she WAS a girl.

 

[Box of Shame]

Below is one of the oldest articles I've seen about Jazz. He hasn't even been named Jazz yet. Jeanette is called Lauren Anderson and Jazz is called Nicole Anderson in this article. In it, Jeanette tells the author she took Jazz to psychologist Marcia Schultz at age three, and Schultz diagnosed him after one visit. No mention of cousin Debbie, but who knows, cousin Debbie still could have been working in the wings or been a strong influencer.

Not a word out of Jeanette's mouth can be believed, because she invented Jazz for her own selfish reasons and changes his story to suit any given day's situation, whether she's on a talk show, on stage at a transkid rally or writing a book. It's all for fame and money, so the story each day is whatever will sell the audience.

See Tom Be Jane - The Village Voice

It’s a spring break morning, and by 11 a.m. at the Anderson home, chaos is erupting. School is out for the week, and the twin...

www.villagevoice.com

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Debbie DOESN'T try to blame it on Jeanette (that would be this forum). She states that, yes, it's not uncommon for little boys to experiment with girls' clothing and toys, but Jazz was different. She takes credit for the "discovery" in 2002. Have you read the dissertation? It's all about Jazz, by name, from pages 23-38, including her artwork (I mean, "expressive therapy"). I don't see how anyone can deny her role.

http://www.esextherapy.com/dissertations/DeborahEveBabyatskyGraysonCounselingTransgenderYouthUtilizingExpressiveArtTherapies.pdf

Debbie is not remotely a reliable source and neither are all of these whacko therapists who claim children are trans. Any diagnosis on such a small kid is absolute bogus.

 

[all4mom2]

Below is one of the oldest articles I've seen about Jazz. He hasn't even been named Jazz yet. Jeanette is called Lauren Anderson and Jazz is called Nicole Anderson in this article. In it, Jeanette tells the author she took Jazz to psychologist Marcia Schultz at age three, and Schultz diagnosed him after one visit. No mention of cousin Debbie, but who knows, cousin Debbie still could have been working in the wings or been a strong influencer.

"Marcia Schultz" is IRL Marilyn Volker of the hat-wearing, who diagnosed Jazz (I didn't know an Ed.D could diagnose, but anyway), was apparently one of Debbie's sexology professors, and later sat on Debbie's dissertation committee. You can see her signature on the PFD. She appears in the Jazz documentaries/interviews and on the show (as does Cousin Debbie re: the show, albeit rarely).

Debbie recounts hanging out a lot with "the cousins" and counseling Jeanette as to what steps to take (including seeing this "doctor," to whom she had no doubt referred her). I wish everyone pooh-poohing Debbie's role in this would just read the damn thing for themselves...

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Impressive! But I'm not sure that's "true" trooning; more like cross-dressing and role-playing (or gender-bending). As Debbie writes, what made Jazz different was that she (sic) didn't just dress in tutus and plastic heels, she insisted she WAS a girl.

Trooning as we understand it is very much a culturally bound syndrome. Which doesn't mean that people like Jazz don't experience actual distress from it, it just means that looking for what we recognize as troonery in other cultures is not going to prove what troons want it to prove.