Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

So this is a Farms related musing rather than a case related one, but I have been wondering... Once the appeals decision comes in, do the Jannies go through and purge the 100 pages of people wondering if this is the week and cursing the speed of the legal system, so that future readers can skip over the tedious, repetitive, content-less bit? Or is the tedium and aggravation so inherent a part of the process that experiencing it is essential to understanding history?

The Highlight system is already there to assist the weaklings who can't stomach hundred pages of waiting for updates. And you can bet that when the decision comes, the post announcing it will become a highlight.
 
So this is a Farms related musing rather than a case related one, but I have been wondering... Once the appeals decision comes in, do the Jannies go through and purge the 100 pages of people wondering if this is the week and cursing the speed of the legal system, so that future readers can skip over the tedious, repetitive, content-less bit? Or is the tedium and aggravation so inherent a part of the process that experiencing it is essential to understanding history?
I'll post the link in the OP to when the appeal decision comes.
 
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So this is a Farms related musing rather than a case related one, but I have been wondering... Once the appeals decision comes in, do the Jannies go through and purge the 100 pages of people wondering if this is the week and cursing the speed of the legal system, so that future readers can skip over the tedious, repetitive, content-less bit? Or is the tedium and aggravation so inherent a part of the process that experiencing it is essential to understanding history?
Leave as a record for future generations, to learn about the terribleness of the judicial system.
 
The court got another one of their oldest cases off their docket (at 1 year, 4 months) so that's something. They've knocked out 3 in the past month. I believe there are only 2 cases left that have been in limbo longer than this one.

Submitted: 12/10/2019
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00156-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 12/11/2019 (No opinion yet, but a motion for leave was granted based on recent ruling in their Supreme court)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00257-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 02/19/2020

https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-18-00264-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 03/03/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00410-CV&coa=coa02


Submitted: 09/09/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00337-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 09/22/2020 (Vic's case)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00394-CV&coa=coa02

I found a video of Rusty J. O’Kane in his element if anyone wants to watch. He worked on the appeal for Ron and Monica.

 
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Maybe a new thread with an updated OP? Weeb Wars 2: The Weebdom Strikes Back?

Honestly, the spergations will likely be localised to this thread with an OP update. No matter which way it goes, there will be spergening a-plenty.
At this point, if there's a Weeb Wars 2, it would probably involve someone entirely different, like Quinton Flynn and the crazy bitch Krissy.
 
The court got another one of their oldest cases off their docket (at 1 year, 4 months) so that's something. They've knocked out 3 in the past month. I believe there are only 2 cases left that have been in limbo longer than this one.

Submitted: 12/10/2019
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00156-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 12/11/2019 (No opinion yet, but a motion for leave was granted based on recent ruling in their Supreme court)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00257-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 02/19/2020

https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-18-00264-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 03/03/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00410-CV&coa=coa02


Submitted: 09/09/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00337-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 09/22/2020 (Vic's case)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00394-CV&coa=coa02

I found a video of Rusty J. O’Kane in his element if anyone wants to watch. He worked on the appeal for Ron and Monica.

Could be they decided to take this at the pace of a normal appeal and are working their way through a backlog. Would imply the decision is not terribly far off.
 
Would imply the decision is not terribly far off.
I'm going to invoke the Half Life 3 Law. By mentioning the unmentionable you have further delayed it. Repent soon for your deeds or thy release date shall move back 1 more day per F5 for news. May god have mercy on your soul.

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This would be perfect if "Half-Life 3" were somehow roughly replaced by "Mignogna v. Funimation appeal" (or something similar). Not sure whether just crossing out and hand-writing, or pasting something more authentic-looking over the top, is better, though.
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but potentially defamatory statements made privately to, for instance, convention owners might have it start ticking from the moment of discovery, at least if they couldn't have been discovered by reasonable due diligence.
Even then the discovery rule might not apply if there is no other witness to fulfill the "objectively verifiable" part of the requirement. Browning Mfg v. Salisbury, 179 F.3d 197 (5th Cir. 1999). As the appellate court pointed out in John Priester, Jr. v. JP Morgan Chase Bank, 12-40032 (5th Cir. 2013), "The Texas courts have set the “inherently undiscoverable” bar high, to the extent that the discovery rule will apply only where it is nearly impossible for the plaintiff to be aware of his injury at the time he is injured."
 
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The court got another one of their oldest cases off their docket (at 1 year, 4 months) so that's something. They've knocked out 3 in the past month. I believe there are only 2 cases left that have been in limbo longer than this one.

Submitted: 12/10/2019
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00156-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 12/11/2019 (No opinion yet, but a motion for leave was granted based on recent ruling in their Supreme court)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00257-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 02/19/2020

https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-18-00264-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 03/03/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00410-CV&coa=coa02


Submitted: 09/09/2020
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00337-CV&coa=coa02

Submitted: 09/22/2020 (Vic's case)
https://search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=02-19-00394-CV&coa=coa02

I found a video of Rusty J. O’Kane in his element if anyone wants to watch. He worked on the appeal for Ron and Monica.

Is this the asshole that called Vic a pedophile in the appellate breifing or was that Funimations lawyer?

Even then the discovery rule might not apply if there is no other witness to fulfill the "objectively verifiable" part of the requirement. Browning Mfg v. Salisbury, 179 F.3d 197 (5th Cir. 1999). As the appellate court pointed out in John Priester, Jr. v. JP Morgan Chase Bank, 12-40032 (5th Cir. 2013), "The Texas courts have set the “inherently undiscoverable” bar high, to the extent that the discovery rule will apply only where it is nearly impossible for the plaintiff to be aware of his injury at the time he is injured."
Does that even apply in this case?
 
Does that even apply in this case?
Only if there are undiscovered statements by either currently dismissed or previously unknown defendants, and only if they pass the very high bar of the "inherently undiscoverable" rule. There's also any of Ron Toye's incessant chihuahua-like yapping and arfing that's within the year statute of limitations.
 
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I didn't plan to participate here, but since you're projecting so hard on me on your profile, here I am to challenge your message.

Even then the discovery rule might not apply if there is no other witness to fulfill the "objectively verifiable" part of the requirement. Browning Mfg v. Salisbury, 179 F.3d 197 (5th Cir. 1999). As the appellate court pointed out in John Priester, Jr. v. JP Morgan Chase Bank, 12-40032 (5th Cir. 2013), "The Texas courts have set the “inherently undiscoverable” bar high, to the extent that the discovery rule will apply only where it is nearly impossible for the plaintiff to be aware of his injury at the time he is injured."
This is what you reply to a comment about the possible existence of private defamatory statements.

So please enlighten us, you who seems to be at the top of the Dunning-Kruger curve, if this is not enough to reach the high bar of impossible awareness, what is? What is more impossible to be aware of than a private event?
 
So please enlighten us, you who seems to be at the top of the Dunning-Kruger curve, if this is not enough to reach the high bar of impossible awareness, what is? What is more impossible to be aware of than a private event?
The plaintiff already knew of defamatory statements, and that Ron Toye (and probably others) were going around making them in private as well as public, and that other conventions had canceled like Kamehacon, which had been directly interfered with by Toye. It could be inferred that other as-yet-known parties, or Ron himself, had done that to these other parties as well.

I'm not sure how the unavailability of any meaningful discovery in the main case would affect any obligation to show that either discovery or investigation was done, or would have been futile even to try under the circumstances. I know Beard sent out a number of evidence preservation letters, which could very well have been ignored by this pack of scofflaws.
 
The plaintiff already knew of defamatory statements, and that Ron Toye (and probably others) were going around making them in private as well as public, and that other conventions had canceled like Kamehacon, which had been directly interfered with by Toye. It could be inferred that other as-yet-known parties, or Ron himself, had done that to these other parties as well.

I'm not sure how the unavailability of any meaningful discovery in the main case would affect any obligation to show that either discovery or investigation was done, or would have been futile even to try under the circumstances. I know Beard sent out a number of evidence preservation letters, which could very well have been ignored by this pack of scofflaws.
Your setting was that the statement couldn't have been discovered by reasonable due diligence.
To this, Useful_Mistake replied that the bar is high, and that the rule will only apply where it is nearly impossible to be aware of it.
So Useful_Mistake thinks that a private statement that couldn't have been discovered doesn't reach that bar.

I don't want to talk about how hard it will be to prove that it couldn't have been discovered, your setting was that it was, period.
So I want Useful_Mistake to give me an exemple of something more impossible to be aware of than that.
 
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I don't want to talk about how hard it will be to prove.
I want Useful_Mistake to give me an exemple of something more impossible to be aware of than that.
These people do everything online. They could have sued the breaching conventions and done discovery on why from their ISPs. They could have hired private investigators. It wasn't actually impossible to infer the existence of such statements being highly likely. Now, as for practicality and expense, that's another matter entirely.

Almost by definition, something discovered later is going to be private rather than public, but the rule doesn't apply every single time or even near that.

I seriously doubt much new is going to be discovered at least from the current defendants anyway. They were pretty brazen about doing everything on Twitter, acting in concert and planning it on Discord, etc. Maybe some PMs. Assuming anything comes back which is premature.
 
These people do everything online. They could have sued the breaching conventions and done discovery on why from their ISPs. They could have hired private investigators. It wasn't actually impossible to infer the existence of such statements being highly likely. Now, as for practicality and expense, that's another matter entirely.
Yet again, that wasn't the setting in the message Useful_Mistake replied to with his "high bar" citation.

I seriously doubt much new is going to be discovered at least from the current defendants anyway. They were pretty brazen about doing everything on Twitter, acting in concert and planning it on Discord, etc. Maybe some PMs. Assuming anything comes back which is premature.
Same. But someone here seems to have a hard time understanding the concept of hypotheticality.
I saw the "if" in your statement, but someone else didn't and replied to you it as if you were talking likely evolutions for the lawsuit.

This person can't either tell appart my fact statements from my hypothesis, inferences, or conclusions.
For instance, if the laws tells you that the statute of limitation starts when the statement is published unless it's proven it couldn't be known, you can infere that knowledge is assumed when a statement is published unless proven otherwise, and that ultimately, in both case, it's the knowledge itself, either assumed or proven, that actually starts the clock. But apparently, that inference of mine means I'm dumb...

Anyway, the thing that could actually be discovered is the idea of someone using the defendants to attack Vic without exposing themselve.
But I don't actually buy that either, I rather think the defendants were simply dumb enough to gladly do all that on their own, no big mastermind here for me, just some people smart enough to just let the dumb ones do the dirty work.
 
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For instance, if the laws tells you that the statute of limitation starts when the statement is published unless it's proven it couldn't be known, you can infere that knowledge is assumed when a statement is published unless proven otherwise, and that ultimately, in both case, it's the knowledge itself, either assumed or proven, that actually starts the clock. But apparently, that inference of mine means I'm dumb...
It's when you should have known it according to the "nearly impossible" standard. So if you could have discovered it and chose not to, maybe because you had higher priorities, you don't get the benefit of the exception to the rule. Or show that it would have been an act of futility because of the exceptional sneakiness of the defendant. "Nearly impossible" means something more than merely somewhat difficult and expensive.
 
It's when you should have known it according to the "nearly impossible" standard. So if you could have discovered it and chose not to, maybe because you had higher priorities, you don't get the benefit of the exception to the rule. Or show that it would have been an act of futility because of the exceptional sneakiness of the defendant. "Nearly impossible" means something more than merely somewhat difficult and expensive.
Yes, I understand that. I'm using "known" loosely as a substitute for "reasonnable assumption that the plaintiff could/should have known".

However, i'm not so sure that difficult and expensive is not a viable point here. Because of the mere number of potential offenders, he could point out that he couldn't possibly sue the entire VA industry, and had to wait for discovery to happen to find out who was involved in canceling him.
But that's a personnal opinion, and as we saw, judge can be exceptionnal anyway. If anything, the TCPA ruling tells that Chupp himself don't think that mere inferences toward people's involvement are enough to sue them.

EDIT: But then again, I don't think anyone will be later sued for defamation, which is the cause of action this rule applies to here.
If someone else joins the defendants in the court room after discovery, that will be for conspiracy and the tortious interference, not for defamation... if that ever happens...
 
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I didn't plan to participate here, but since you're projecting so hard on me on your profile, here I am to challenge your message
Holy shit, how are you still so butthurt? If my posts make you so angry, just don't read them.
This is what you reply to a comment about the possible existence of private defamatory statements.

So please enlighten us, you who seems to be at the top of the Dunning-Kruger curve, if this is not enough to reach the high bar of impossible awareness, what is? What is more impossible to be aware of than a private event?
Dude, learn to read. None of this would be a problem if you, at least, could read as well as a ten year old kid.

To this, Useful_Mistake replied that the bar is high, and that the rule will only apply where it is nearly impossible to be aware of it.
Like a true angry poster, you managed to miss half of my comment.
So please enlighten us, you who seems to be at the top of the Dunning-Kruger curve
Ironic.
So Useful_Mistake thinks that a private statement that couldn't have been discovered doesn't reach that bar
Like always, that's an inaccurate assessment of my comment. My comment was that to a private conversation, the Discovery Rule might not always apply, and that "objectively verifiable" part of the rule is still an important thing to address while debating on applicability of Discovery rule. Something that was not previously addressed.
Actually, here's a case where the Discovery Rule did not apply to private conversation. Browning Mfg v. Salisbury, 179 F.3d 197 (5th Cir. 1999)
 
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