Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Total Annihilation]

Some of the Taliban’s war crimes

This song is appropriate now

It's not a war crime if you don't abide by the Geneva Convention!

I give us 2 years b4 9/11 [CIA REDACTION] happens and we invade

 

[AnonAutismo]

$2.26 trillion in total costs.
$530 billion in interest.
$88 billion wasted on the ANA.
$36 billion in 'infrastructure projects.'
2,442 US soldiers killed.

+Almost 20,000 wounded, some crippled for life.
+Several thousand (at least) afflicted with severe and incurable trauma for the rest of their life and all the associated problems that entails (substance abuse, suicide, etc)

The war might be ending but for some people it'll never be over.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1415261675809243141

 

[jje100010001]

Gender programs, F35, and surveillance state shit

Or another war.

I guess all that's left for Afghanistan at this point is the stripmining of its remaining human capital as the US retreats from the region and the collaborators (i.e. translators) and more educated follow.

If the Chinese ever get in, I 100% guarantee that they'll be using their own personnel on-site in any mine or factory.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

New control map as of the 13th. I'm dealing with some issues so I can't dump a lot of video and images from the past few days - a major border crossing between Afghanistan and Pakistan was captured, the money images above come from it. The Pakistani government seems to be of the mind that the Taliban have already won this war and is negiotiating the opening of the border crossing. They're firm in their stance that NO REFUGEES will be allowed to cross over into Pakistan, any aid agencies must conduct their business on Afghan soil.

 

[benutz]

This is all so very sad. So much money spent, so many resources squandered, so many lives/limbs lost, and for what. I know that some who served in Afghan really believed they were making a difference. I know they believed that. But how much of a difference long term? To see the country reverting so quickly back to its roots is heartbreaking. It must have been for something, right?

Was it the opium, was it the trans-national-pipeline, was it just geopolitics and hedging your bets for the future with Russia/China? Ooh-ha, was it just a waste of time?

As Mepsi Pax pointed out, it was never really about the opium. The Bush administration is rumoured to have offered the Taliban a carpet of bombs or a carpet of gold, and I guess they chose the bombs for some reason. They did cut off opium production very severely in the adjacent months around and before 9/11. But they didn't burn all that shit, they just stockpiled it to drive prices up. Supply and demand. No big deal. They didn't do it on ideological grounds because allah disapproved, they did it for political and financial leverage. Power, in other words.

Still, it's an interesting timeline and easy to see why a lot of people thought it was just about the poppies. The economics of poppy farming and opium production is pretty complex and sometimes contradictory in a country that can't really grow a lot of other crops anyway. Poppy farming is a very labour intensive endeavour, however. And it is also very water intensive. In a country that doesn't get that much natural rainfall, irrigation has to be built and that is man intensive in terms of hours as well.

Soil also has to be just right, as in, not too hot, not too cold, like the proverbial porridge. I say this from the perspective of the Afghani farmer, of course, big pharma, will have a much easier time of it providing those ideal conditions. The poppy is hard to grow in Afghan, but it's not like it's as difficult as a Crocus, say. This is why Saffron (the spice) is expensive, also the drug Colchicine (for gout) is also expensive. Both derivatives from this particular flower.

The poppy likes a lot of drainage as well and does not grow well in clay packed or otherwise heavy soil, such as a lot of that in Afghan. So someone needs to prepare the fields, before even planting takes place.

And this is all without getting to the stages of preparing it to turn it in to Heroin. A whole other shit show again. Very labour intensive, very resource intensive, but really what else are they going to grow over there? Potatos? Some farmers made enough to feed their families, sure. And some suppliers who bought wholesale and were brave enough to chance the death sentence for trafficking it in to Iran, well, they made a whole lot more. Some of it made its way to Europe as well. Not an insignifcant amount. But not enough to justify the lives/limbs of soldiers and the outrageous amount of resources put in to the area.

And of course let's not forget the Cannabis production over there. Also a very water-thirsty plant, but an order of magnitude easier to grow than Opium. There are several very hardy strains of Weed (and they don't call it 'weed' for nothing). And these people have the best land race genetics going. Make sure it gets watered and the stuff would practically grow itself. Much more lucrative in the long run relative to Opium. Or so you would think. Opium has a much higher price, and already many parts of that region grow weed as well, plus it's de facto decriminalised in many places not that far away.

More people smoke weed than smoke or inject heroin. So there's that as well. I don't know why they don't grow more of it. Plus it's known to be a major exporter of Cannabis as well. Including Hashish, the prepared resin that is made from the leaves by thrashing them and rubbing them. Also labour intensive. But is easier to transport and smuggle than plain old weed leaves. Afghan still grows a lot more opium than it does weed, though.

Afghanistan now world's top cannabis source: U.N.

Long the world's largest producer of opium, the raw ingredient of heroin, Afghanistan has now become the top supplier of cannabis, with large-scale cultivation in half of its provinces, the United Nations said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

I'm still trying to understand it all. It really is a very complex subject.

Known Unknowns and Unknown Knowns: What we know about the cannabis ...

Introduction In recent decades, Afghanistan has become synonymous with opium. Whether it is the annually-increasing quantities harvested, or the much-publicized connections to insurgent groups like...

journals.openedition.org

Spoiler: Résumé

In the past four decades, much of the contemporary narrative of Afghanistan has been defined by opium. However, underneath the veil of the opium economy, the cannabis trade remains an enduring component of Afghanistan’s political economy and culture. Much of this stems from the long history of cannabis cultivation and hashish production in the region. During the 1960s, the growing demand from Western nations for Afghan hashish helped forge key global trafficking networks, as well as significant changes to the cultivation of cannabis and production of hashish. Since then, production and trade evolved, with cultivation of cannabis more widespread. Ultimately, analyzing the cannabis trade and its historical antecedents, reveals how the cannabis trade, like the opium economy, transformed in response to local, regional, and global factors, remaining an important piece of the rural Afghan economy today.

Anyway, enough sperging about stuff I know very little about (more food for thought really).

I remember watching a tv show in the uk where a young teenage lad, tall, good looking, recently enlisted, was going out on patrol in Afghan. He was assigned to bomb-disposal or something like that. Anyway, one day, it was his turn to run the gauntlet. His superiors put him out there at the very fore front. If anyone was going to cop it, it would be him. The others had served their time, taken risks he hadn't, and there was as good a chance of them copping it that day, so out he had to go. I guess that is the nature of soldiering.

It wasn't his lucky day. He had both of his legs blown off. Absolutely horrific what that little IED did to his body. He didn't really get the support he needed long term either. The govt. stuck him in a fucking high rise flat that didn't even have proper wheel chair access. I wonder how he's doing today. Blew a load of his teeth out as well. Thank you for your service.

The documentary showed him and his fellow piss-head mates who had turned up to comfort him by them all getting blind drunk in his squalid little flat. It was beyond sad. I think you've got the picture by now. I hope he's doing well. I keep meaning to track him down, and maybe one day I will just to see how he's doing.

I wonder if anyone asked him, would he say like he felt he really made a difference over there? Would he have said it was all worthwhile, in the greater, grander scheme of things?

Some questions are better not asked. Even if we already know the answers to them.

I don't blame the soldiers, the veterans, the boots on the ground. Braver men than I.

I think most of them did the best job they could, and not forgetting that they all had their hands tied behind their backs somewhat in what the 'rules of engagement' or whatever were, over there, I think they can hold their heads up high.


It seems so petty at this point to argue the finer politics or economics of opium production vs. cannabis production, when looking at the bigger picture.

I'm sure the people that made the war happen though, had their reasons. And that it probably worked out quite well for them.

But for the veterans who chanced their limbs/lives, and for the civvies who never even wanted the war in the first place, what advantage has it brought them?

Let those people sort themselves out and eat their own. They are backward savages.

I'd love nothing better than to go on holiday to Afghan, now the war has been won. Take a decent sized motorbike and drive it over that beautiful sand filled desert I love so much. But nah, I don't think so...

On the lone and level sand stretch far away

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!


The US/UK/OZ/Coalition forces may not have won over there.

But the Afghanis sure as fuck did not win!

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1415446802329899011

 

[Terrifik]

post for posterity before the end of this year Talibaan wil have taken over all of afganastain we will get another terrioist video randomly celebrating the return to normal afghanstan.
amazing all this happpened in few weeks.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Another concern are they planning another you know what from September 20 years ago?

But of update they are planning to evacuate interpreters but not sure where they will be relocated yet

And Canadians lament the Taliban’s advancing

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[AnonAutismo]

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Lmao @ Britain quietly accepting the Taliban resurgence. All that multiculturalism is really showing off.

Memes aside I find it interesting that the Afghan government seems to want to ask India for help. This could turn into a proxy conflict with China-Pakistan on one side and India on the other.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

Pakistan to Host Afghan Leaders for Peace Talks

Pakistan is set to host prominent Afghan political leaders at a conference in a bid to speed up the intra-Afghan peace process as the U.S.-led foreign military withdrawal from the neighboring country nears completion. The Pakistani diplomatic initiative takes place after Taliban insurgents...

www.voanews.com

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Pakistan to Host Afghan Leaders for Peace Talks​

By Roshan Noorzai Tue, 07/13/2021 - 07:10 PM

6-8 minutes

FILE - Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban's deputy leader and negotiator, and other delegation members attend the Afghan peace conference in Moscow, Russia, March 18, 2021. (Alexander Zemlianichenko/Pool via Reuters)

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ISLAMABAD - Pakistan is set to host prominent Afghan political leaders at a conference in a bid to speed up the intra-Afghan peace process as the U.S.-led foreign military withdrawal from the neighboring country nears completion.
The Pakistani diplomatic initiative takes place after Taliban insurgents rapidly made territorial advances by capturing scores of new Afghan districts across the war-torn country since early May, when U.S. and NATO allied troops formally began the withdrawal process.
The ensuing security deterioration has fueled fears the vacuum left by the departure of foreign troops could turn the conflict into a full-blown civil war and enable transnational terrorist groups to find more space on Afghan soil to attack their respective targets in neighboring countries and beyond.



FILE - A plume of smoke rises amid ongoing fighting between Afghan security forces and Taliban insurgeents in the western city of Qala-e-Naw, the capital of Afghanistan's Badghis province, July 7, 2021.

Highly placed official sources in Islamabad told VOA on Wednesday the proposed conference is scheduled for “17 to 19 July” and several Afghan leaders have already confirmed their participation.
Afghan special presidential envoy for Pakistan Mohammed Umer Daudzai and former finance minister Omar Zakhilwal have both confirmed to VOA they will attend the meeting. However, Daudzai, said the meeting “dates are still being debated.”



Hamid Karzai, a former Afghan president, Salahuddin Rabbani, a former foreign minister, Omar Zakhilwal, a former finance minister, Haji Mohammad Mohaqiq, a senior leader of ethnic Hazara minority community, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former warlord-turned politician, and Ahmad Wali Masoud, are among the invitees, the sources said.
Islamabad has proposed to arrange the meeting as months of slow-moving, U.S.-brokered peace negotiations between the Taliban and Afghan government representatives have not met with any success.
Many of the leaders invited to the the Islamabad meeting are also expected to travel to Doha, Qatar, under the leadership of the head of Afghanistan’s national reconciliation council, Abdullah Abdullah, to discuss with Taliban leaders ways to advance the peace process.
Pakistani officials say regional countries are worried and collectively making efforts to press warring Afghans to negotiate an “inclusive political settlement” to prevent the situation from spiraling out of control.

Mansoor Khan, Pakistan’s ambassador to Afghanistan, says his country has maintained across the board engagement with all Afghan stakeholders relevant to the peace process, including the Kabul government and the Taliban.
“We are constructively engaged to use all our influence in a positive manner. But we cannot and we should not be prescribing a solution for Afghanistan,” Khan stressed while speaking to VOA from Kabul earlier this week.
“The responsibility of agreeing on a sustainable future negotiated internal political settlement is of Afghans themselves,” the Pakistani envoy said.
He emphasized that sustaining the Afghan peace process would become more challenging if the escalation of the conflict phase is prolonged.
“If this instability continues, there is an apprehension of mass movements or influx of refugees into the neighboring countries,” Khan said.
Pakistan still hosts nearly three million Afghan refugees fleeing decades of conflict, persecution and poverty in their native country.

Fears grow that millions of Afghans may be forced to flee into neighboring countries if fighting between Taliban and Afghan government forces intensify or deteriorate into civil war
Neighboring Iran also hosts fewer than a million Afghan refugees.
Despite the escalation in violence, Ambassador Khan said he was “optimistic” a political settlement could be reached among Afghan parities to the conflict.
Learning from the past experience of what happened in the 1990s, he insisted, all domestic and external stakeholders, including the United States, have promised to “invest heavily and constructively” in the current peace process.
“The encouraging thing is that all Afghan stakeholders are on the table, all neighboring countries are supporting the peace efforts and the international community wants to assist Afghanistan in bringing an end to more than four decades of conflict and in moving towards an era of peace and stability,” Khan said
The Taliban took control of Afghanistan after emerging victorious in the civil war of the 1990s. The fundamentalist group took power in Kabul in 1996 and ruled the country until late 2001, when the U.S.-led foreign military invasion took place for harboring leaders of the al-Qaida terrorist network.
Only three countries, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirate, had recognized the Taliban government, while the rest of the global community refused to do so, citing the controversial governance and the group’s links with terrorists.
However, after being ousted from power, the Taliban has been waging a violent insurgency against the U.S.-backed Afghan government and has since taken control or extended insurgent influence to more than half of Afghanistan.

General Austin "Scott" Miller was the longest-serving senior US military officer of the Afghan war
The American withdrawal is an outcome of an agreement Washington signed with the Taliban signed in February 2020.
Pakistan played a key role in arranging and facilitating the U.S.-Taliban deal but allegations that insurgent leaders use Pakistani soil to direct attacks in Afghanistan remain at the center of Kabul’s diplomatic tensions with Islamabad.

Afghanistan: Latest updates on Kandahar, 15 July 2021​

2-3 minutes

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Thursday, 15 July 2021 - 20:12

Afghanistan: Latest updates on Kandahar, 15 July 2021

ISWNews Analysis Group: Heavy clashes between the Afghan army and the Taliban continue in the three axes of north, west and south of Kandahar city.

english.iswnews.com

ISWNews Analysis Group: Heavy clashes between the Afghan army and the Taliban continue in the three axes of north, west and south of Kandahar city.

After days of heavy fighting on the fronts of Arghandab, Pasab, Dand and Chineh, the Taliban militants managed to take control of Arghandab city center on the outskirts of Kandahar city.
The government has relocated 240 prisoners to Kabul following an increase in the possibility of the fall of Kandahar and targeted Taliban attacks on the Kandahar prison.
In the south of the province, the Taliban have recently seized the town of Spin Boldak and its border crossing with Pakistan, and clashes have now shifted to the road leading to Kandahar. The Afghan army has also announced its readiness to retake Spin Boldak, but given the army’s past claims and excuses and the ineffectiveness of their attacks, it can be said that the Afghan army is currently unable to retake the lost areas.
In this regard, “Amrullah Saleh”, the first vice president of Afghanistan, said that the Pakistani army has officially informed Afghanistan that any Afghan military attempt to regain control of the Spin Boldak crossing will be met by a reaction from the Pakistan Air Force.
Given the situation of the ground siege of Kandahar and the unpreparedness of the army to face the urban warfare and suicide attacks, it can be said that in the case of a serious Taliban attack on Kandahar city, the army will be the definitive loser of this battle. Despite this military superiority, the Taliban are at a disadvantage in terms of manpower and weapons, And this is evidenced by repeated attacks on prisons (Badghis and Kandahar) to free old fighters and attacks on weapons bases to collect weapons.

 

[LaxerBRO]

+Almost 20,000 wounded, some crippled for life.
+Several thousand (at least) afflicted with severe and incurable trauma for the rest of their life and all the associated problems that entails (substance abuse, suicide, etc)

The war might be ending but for some people it'll never be over.

You forgot the suicides once they get back.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

You forgot the suicides once they get back.

But the Military Arm of the Administrative Industrial Complex getting 1% more Profits for 20 years is priceless.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Former president Bush is saddened

 

[MrJokerRager]

Well what is the consensus on the war, who won?

America has completely changed since 2001 into worshipping gay tranny sheboons and Afghanistan will return to monke under the Taliban plus no niggers.

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Former president Bush is saddened

If he didn't open up a second front in Iraq, Afghanistan would have been under control unless it was all for Israel.

 

[Prester John]

Former president Bush is saddened

It is sad. It's not good news for the "women and girls" in the country. He's not wrong about that.

 

[The Unbecoming]

GW will die of old age and in comfort, never to answer in this plane of existence for the sheer amount of death and despair his admin inflicted upon this world in pursuit of his neocon priorities, as well as saddling the US with the niggertry of the PATRIOT act and it's repercussions.

Fucking gay, tbh.

 

[Random Internet Person]

As an Iranian would say, the country is getting 1979’d. https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/taliban-repression-afghan-women/31358597.html

 

[mr.moon1488]

Well what is the consensus on the war, who won?

America has completely changed since 2001 into worshipping gay tranny sheboons and Afghanistan will return to monke under the Taliban plus no niggers.

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If he didn't open up a second front in Iraq, Afghanistan would have been under control unless it was all for Israel.

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>blue eyed Afghan pussy
I really don't know where this got started, but almost every Afghan has brown eyes. On a rare occasion, you'll see one with kind of greenish-blue eyes.