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Well we don't know both side's story yet so i don't think it proper to judge anything, but i just hope it doesn't ended up in something bad for both of them.
Menhara will be menhara I guess.
And now Matsuri goes on a little break, perhaps to chill the fuck down
She added a few more tweets on that second account. Apologising and saying she kind of jumped the gun and shouldn't have gone off on twitter. To be honest though, after looking at the tweets, and some of the background. . . it wasn't really a whole big thing. . . but it was a bit unprofessional. The initial tweets were vague and not overly emotional, however. . . I think it is the case that those in the know figured the background and started mumbling. Her next tweets were explanations of the time-frame so people wouldn't start muddying the waters any further. Afterwards are the apology and such.

EDIT: I will point out however, Haato didn't do a little talk, hug, etc. . . during the performance. She just appeared and left. . . which is weird. Also note, these two are close enough to have spent Christmas together. I'm not insinuating anything, but these do make me wonder just how busy Haato really is. Maybe her portion of the 3d was a form of pre-recorded and it was done as special favor for a close friend?
The fuck is this Twitter sperg talking about? I've seen no one say anything of that nature here (maybe users on /vt/, but I don't check there).

About that Pippa stream, that was very unexpected for her to talk about lolcowdom in the Build-A-Bear fandom/community(?). If some brave soul wants to dig further to see if there are more stories to be found, then a Community Watch thread is probably warranted.
The only thing I can think of is that some (myself included) have mentioned that it is a surprise some Gachikoi or such hasn't assaulted this guy yet. And judging from his antics he seems like a prime candidate to piss-off the wrong people in more than just that facet of his life. No internet board necessary.

Also, I thought @thhrang and @Cubanodun were digging a bit, the latter checked out the site but couldn't get in if I recall.
 
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Especially when Gen 1's that aren't FBK have really struggled to ride the waves since last year, and you'd expect there to be a semblance of comararderie between them for stuff like this.
A couple of Gen1 members have mentioned that when they were starting out it was unclear what their relationship with each other was supposed to be and they didn't know whether they were supposed to be comrades or competitors. So I don't think they have the same bond that the post-2 gens do.
 
Nobody talking about Matsuri going mental? I'm surprised. Anyway, the Matsuri second tweet account @7216_2nd have been tweeting stuff during Rushia live when Haachama appear on screen. Long story short, she asked Haachama to appear in her live but was ghosted, so she was shocked to see her appear in Rushia's and get quite upset. End up having to clarify it. TL below. Courtesey of the good old Lyger,
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Edit: Here's the extra spicy bit. Her roommate tweet this after the explanation above. Let your rrat run free people. A juicy drama in a while.
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Oh God not Haachama and Matsuri please! I do understand where she's coming from but I do agree with everybody here that airing those out on Twitter probably isn't a smart move. Still, the up side is now we get to know the dynamics between the two.

A couple of Gen1 members have mentioned that when they were starting out it was unclear what their relationship with each other was supposed to be and they didn't know whether they were supposed to be comrades or competitors. So I don't think they have the same bond that the post-2 gens do.
Yeah the Gen Bond really started out with 3rd gen and onwards. The 2nd gen had only 1 or 2 collabs together if I remember correctly, but for the most part they do their own thing.
 
Is it unprofessional? Yeah, probably. Personally, I'll take any act of open, honest discussion about what's really going on behind the curtain than suffer more of this 'Hololive is a family that never has problems uwu' faggotry it's known for. Many V-Tubers have sub channels they sadpost on, and there are probably rules against discussing Hololive internal disputes on your main because it not only confirms the connection between roommates but also implicates the person BEHIND the character they have the problem with.
On top of this, it'd be stupid to even deny that there are cliques that get along better with each other than some other members. Anpontan Sisters, FAMS, OKBR, Noel & Flare, Bakatare, Okayu & Korone, etc. Even though recently the most active ones out of these have only been Bakatare and N & F. But I think this might be partly due to the recent lockdown in Japan again. And there's nothing really wrong with that either, it's also interesting seeing some of these groups interact with others. Like the case with Bakatare who have been collabing quite a bit with Polka (BakatareCircus).

But generally, it's just a sad situation with both of them being at fault. I do hope they can both apologize and make up.
 
Wait, so Pippa wasn't smacked by her management because of her streams, but because of some facebook drama? And here I thought it was fate's irony that they bonked her less than 24 hours after she got mad at Coco's management on Twitch (on that note, I'm sorry for not posting link to her channel in my previous message, it was pretty late in my time zone and I forgot about after I wrote my post).
It was because she put on display facebook drama that included some woman crying to some facebook group in voice messages (with full name) on stream. She mentioned Knudsen and Internet Historian but she basically did a mini-MATI.
 
I was expecting more 3rd gen girls on that Collab that said it seems she went for 1, 2 and 3. Guessing she might not be too close with 4 and 5.

Her cover of Goodbye Sengen is pretty cute but top ones for me are still Kiara because of that music video and Uto for cuteness overload.
 
Nobody talking about Matsuri going mental? I'm surprised. Anyway, the Matsuri second tweet account @7216_2nd have been tweeting stuff during Rushia live when Haachama appear on screen. Long story short, she asked Haachama to appear in her live but was ghosted, so she was shocked to see her appear in Rushia's and get quite upset. End up having to clarify it. TL below. Courtesey of the good old Lyger,
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Someone do the archive thingie.

Edit: Here's the extra spicy bit. Her roommate tweet this after the explanation above. Let your rrat run free people. A juicy drama in a while.
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lol Matsuri is a fucking sperg
 
Nobody talking about Matsuri going mental? I'm surprised. Anyway, the Matsuri second tweet account @7216_2nd have been tweeting stuff during Rushia live when Haachama appear on screen. Long story short, she asked Haachama to appear in her live but was ghosted, so she was shocked to see her appear in Rushia's and get quite upset. End up having to clarify it. TL below. Courtesey of the good old Lyger,
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Someone do the archive thingie.

Edit: Here's the extra spicy bit. Her roommate tweet this after the explanation above. Let your rrat run free people. A juicy drama in a while.
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wait, how many twitter account does this woman have?? Jeesas.
She got 2 for holo, 2 for her roommate?
i see her menhera tendency is kicking in. From her perspective it seemed like her genmate refused to do a live with her but was willing with rushia, so i guess it's kinda understandable she got pissed/frustrated. My only gripe is the fact she decided to air it all out using her hololive acc instead of her roommate's acc or better yet just keep it behind the curtain.

can't say i didn't expect this kind of behaviour from someone as unhinged as her. It just came across as unprofessional sadly.
Thats the menhera mochi cheeks for you.
 
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wait, how many twitter account does this woman have?? Jeesas.
She got 2 for holo, 2 for her roommate?

Thats the menhera mochi cheeks for you.
Correct. @natsuiromatsuri for official Holo stuff. @7216_2nd for Holo bad day. @masimasi0 for official roommate stuff. @nozomi_sabu for roommate bad day.
This is why I told that dude, Matsuri is straight up menhera and to not want her.
But that mochi cheeks and droopy sad eyes, man. She's a landmine, but very cute one.
 
I thought I'd provide summaries of the three OBSYDIA Guerilla streams that they've now all completed, just in case people missed out on them or don't want to watch 6 hours of what is essentially SC readings.

Her laugh is extraordinarily high-pitched. Fans seemed to insist on spamming dolphin emotes when she laughed (which was very, very often) but I think it sounds more like a Seagull or a shopping cart wheel in need of some oil.

She describes herself as a 'bit of a Rage Gamer'. Says that the plays Tekken 7 competitively, and plans to collaborate with Finana next week for some Guilty Gear -Strive-. She says her favourite childhood game is Battletoads which is a +1 in my book.

She says her favourite Nijisanji members are Sanbaka, with her Oshi being Katrina Ange. Another +1.

Ironmouse shows up because of course she does. Rosemi tries to speak Spanish to her. Very clearly not her strongest language but the attempt was pretty admirable. Mousey complimented it. Future collabs are inevitable.

Overall I though this stream was fine. It was only 40 minutes as she seemed to adhere to management's request to keep this one short and get some rest (spoilers: the other two ignored that). I can see people finding her laugh annoying but unique laughs is one of those huge pulls for me when watching new V-Tubers so I'm okay with it. I fully anticipate to lean back into her Yandere ASMR stuff.


Absolute Chad of Chads.

Gave a lot of information on her plans with APEX and collaborations in general. Her smug aura and laugh permeated everything in this 2.5 hour free chat stream.

Selen tip-toes around outright saying her skill level in APEX, stating only that she will 'see how tomorrow's stream goes' and that she'd rather show what she can do rather than talk about it. Mentions she ended up in lobbies with Pro Players after 2-4 games but given APEX's busted as shit matchmaking system this doesn't mean anything to anyone who doesn't already know she's an APEX Predator.

She says her Oshi is Yuuki Chihiro because literally who the fuck else was it going to be. Tells chat that collaborations with her JP senpai won't happen until she can speak better Japanese basically because she doesn't want to put herself or others through the awkward, stilted conversations and just yelling 'Enemy Kochi!!!' for extended periods of time.

Proceeds to say that even though her dream is to play in the CR Cup, states that pros and people in tournament settings 'play like little bitches!' and she'd rather keep her brain as smooth as possible when playing the game. This is supported by the fact that she literally fucking shut down for 10-20 seconds when she mentioned APEX at one point in the stream as a reflex.

She wants to play Crash Bandicoot. I think she implied that it was the game she wanted to play over Shovel Knight but couldn't get permissions in time. Pisses off Rayman fans by calling him ugly and insisting half the chat don't even remember him, though she likes the games and wants to play them.

At multiple points she blasts SusanTube herself, as well as her genmates, her EN senpai, and implies the managers giving her only 20 minutes for a debut wasn't enough. Obviously all in good fun except for the first one.

Overall I think this is the strongest of the three free chats. She's exceptional at talking to her chat and always having something to say. She gave plenty of information about future plans, her feelings on her debut, and got through all her SC readings seamlessly.


This one was...something.

Petra confirms that singing is her primary focus as a member of OBSYDIA, to the shock of approximately 0 people.

She expresses that she absolutely adores Debidebi Debiru, but Sara Hoshikawa and Ryushen are her Oshi. She said that she felt that the choices of JP senpai working with them for their original songs was 'tailored to her' for that reason.

There are a sizeable portion of JP fans in the chat. Petra mentions that she's going to try and find a 'balance' between self-translating, as she feels it'll be exhausting for everyone involved if she spends her stream saying the same thing twice. JP fans are asking her to speak slowly and she says she'll try and find a balance for that, too. It seems many JP fans want to use her as a means of getting better at English, which is nice.

She states she wants to turn her JP-onky streams into a Batsu game if she speaks English, after taking inspiration from LazuLight's noodle challenge.

ID Penguin Amicia Michelle shows up in chat and is given mod status immediately after a little banter. Debiru then shows up and engages with her for a little bit promoting her to freak out. I would find this cringe if not for the fact that Petra is so comfy that I couldn't find the energy to care.

She insists to chat that she will not be a 'gap moe' like Finana and that she is genuinely not going to be secretly lewd. Clarifies that the reason she won't make dirty jokes is because she herself doesn't really understand them.

This is where things start to take a bit of a turn...

Throughout the stream, it has become a running gag that Petra keeps getting distracted from reading her SCs and hasn't done a single one, so when she's about to do them, chat hatched the plan of spamming 'Mamaaaaa!' at her like a bunch of bizrarre manbabies to 'distract' her. This happens a few times in what is about another hour or so of stream. She very clearly doesn't understand and feels like she's missing out on something but it's just autism.

Then the Chinese come and ask her if she can speak Chinese and if/when she will do a CN-only stream. Petra says that her Chinese isn't nearly good enough for something like that yet but she'll leave the door open for in the future. However, because they are retards that don't understand English, whenever she explains this, all they hear is 'Chinese' and flood the chat asking her if she can speak Chinese as if it wasn't mentioned multiple times already and was literally in her debut. This also happens a few times.

Chat then asks her to say all the unfunny catchphrases like 'Hi honey!', 'Sheesh!', 'Noot Noot!' (okay she actually did this one and it was cute) etc. At this point I'm practically begging for a world-ending apocalyptic event to somehow only disappear these particular people like the book 'GONE'.

She starts reading SCs. Absolutely all of them are calling her and/or her voice cute (which they absolutely are, more on that in a moment), which means she can only really thank them and move on. Far less room for her to spark up something to talk about like Selen who just talked shit for 2 hours and went to sleep.

Absolutely anything she says or does is met with both JP and EN communities calling her cute or, in the former's case, Nihongo Jouzu'img her into oblivion. They absolutely LOVE her. Petra can do no wrong. At this point she's gained about 5-6K subs since she started.

Rosemi shows up in chat as Petra is talking about her upcoming cooking stream, stating that she only started cooking 3 days ago. Petra's excitement becomes a look of concern. The stream ends with her saying she's failed to get much sleep and needs to catch up on it.

I think Petra fits snugly into the category of 'Maximum Comfy' streamers alongside the likes of Ina, Claire and Uto. Not the most charismatic personalities, but that in and of itself is a charm point when you're surrounded by fucking manics. The way she handled the absolute autistic carnage that was her chat for 2.5 hours was absolutely masterful: she didn't get upset, or visibly annoyed, or exasperated with repeating herself, she gave them the patience of a Saint, and it worked so, so well in favour of her image as EN's answer to Sister Claire and Ina.

This may not be the 'Gura Killer' that /vt/ touted Shachimu to be, but I think she's fucking fantastic for the people who like that brand of V-Tuber.
 
Nobody talking about Matsuri going mental? I'm surprised. Anyway, the Matsuri second tweet account @7216_2nd have been tweeting stuff during Rushia live when Haachama appear on screen. Long story short, she asked Haachama to appear in her live but was ghosted, so she was shocked to see her appear in Rushia's and get quite upset. End up having to clarify it. TL below. Courtesey of the good old Lyger,
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Someone do the archive thingie.

Edit: Here's the extra spicy bit. Her roommate tweet this after the explanation above. Let your rrat run free people. A juicy drama in a while.
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And now Matsuri goes on a little break, perhaps to chill the fuck down
Correct. @natsuiromatsuri for official Holo stuff. @7216_2nd for Holo bad day. @masimasi0 for official roommate stuff. @nozomi_sabu for roommate bad day.

But that mochi cheeks and droopy sad eyes, man. She's a landmine, but very cute one.
Now this is the rrat that I can get into. The menhera, it's just so...*chef's kiss* I can get high on this stuff, seriously.
Remember, in the immortal word of Sovietwomble, "Don't stick your dick in crazy".
 
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I thought I'd provide summaries of the three OBSYDIA Guerilla streams that they've now all completed, just in case people missed out on them or don't want to watch 6 hours of what is essentially SC readings.

Her laugh is extraordinarily high-pitched. Fans seemed to insist on spamming dolphin emotes when she laughed (which was very, very often) but I think it sounds more like a Seagull or a shopping cart wheel in need of some oil.

She describes herself as a 'bit of a Rage Gamer'. Says that the plays Tekken 7 competitively, and plans to collaborate with Finana next week for some Guilty Gear -Strive-. She says her favourite childhood game is Battletoads which is a +1 in my book.

She says her favourite Nijisanji members are Sanbaka, with her Oshi being Katrina Ange. Another +1.

Ironmouse shows up because of course she does. Rosemi tries to speak Spanish to her. Very clearly not her strongest language but the attempt was pretty admirable. Mousey complimented it. Future collabs are inevitable.

Overall I though this stream was fine. It was only 40 minutes as she seemed to adhere to management's request to keep this one short and get some rest (spoilers: the other two ignored that). I can see people finding her laugh annoying but unique laughs is one of those huge pulls for me when watching new V-Tubers so I'm okay with it. I fully anticipate to lean back into her Yandere ASMR stuff.


Absolute Chad of Chads.

Gave a lot of information on her plans with APEX and collaborations in general. Her smug aura and laugh permeated everything in this 2.5 hour free chat stream.

Selen tip-toes around outright saying her skill level in APEX, stating only that she will 'see how tomorrow's stream goes' and that she'd rather show what she can do rather than talk about it. Mentions she ended up in lobbies with Pro Players after 2-4 games but given APEX's busted as shit matchmaking system this doesn't mean anything to anyone who doesn't already know she's an APEX Predator.

She says her Oshi is Yuuki Chihiro because literally who the fuck else was it going to be. Tells chat that collaborations with her JP senpai won't happen until she can speak better Japanese basically because she doesn't want to put herself or others through the awkward, stilted conversations and just yelling 'Enemy Kochi!!!' for extended periods of time.

Proceeds to say that even though her dream is to play in the CR Cup, states that pros and people in tournament settings 'play like little bitches!' and she'd rather keep her brain as smooth as possible when playing the game. This is supported by the fact that she literally fucking shut down for 10-20 seconds when she mentioned APEX at one point in the stream as a reflex.

She wants to play Crash Bandicoot. I think she implied that it was the game she wanted to play over Shovel Knight but couldn't get permissions in time. Pisses off Rayman fans by calling him ugly and insisting half the chat don't even remember him, though she likes the games and wants to play them.

At multiple points she blasts SusanTube herself, as well as her genmates, her EN senpai, and implies the managers giving her only 20 minutes for a debut wasn't enough. Obviously all in good fun except for the first one.

Overall I think this is the strongest of the three free chats. She's exceptional at talking to her chat and always having something to say. She gave plenty of information about future plans, her feelings on her debut, and got through all her SC readings seamlessly.


This one was...something.

Petra confirms that singing is her primary focus as a member of OBSYDIA, to the shock of approximately 0 people.

She expresses that she absolutely adores Debidebi Debiru, but Sara Hoshikawa and Ryushen are her Oshi. She said that she felt that the choices of JP senpai working with them for their original songs was 'tailored to her' for that reason.

There are a sizeable portion of JP fans in the chat. Petra mentions that she's going to try and find a 'balance' between self-translating, as she feels it'll be exhausting for everyone involved if she spends her stream saying the same thing twice. JP fans are asking her to speak slowly and she says she'll try and find a balance for that, too. It seems many JP fans want to use her as a means of getting better at English, which is nice.

She states she wants to turn her JP-onky streams into a Batsu game if she speaks English, after taking inspiration from LazuLight's noodle challenge.

ID Penguin Amicia Michelle shows up in chat and is given mod status immediately after a little banter. Debiru then shows up and engages with her for a little bit promoting her to freak out. I would find this cringe if not for the fact that Petra is so comfy that I couldn't find the energy to care.

She insists to chat that she will not be a 'gap moe' like Finana and that she is genuinely not going to be secretly lewd. Clarifies that the reason she won't make dirty jokes is because she herself doesn't really understand them.

This is where things start to take a bit of a turn...

Throughout the stream, it has become a running gag that Petra keeps getting distracted from reading her SCs and hasn't done a single one, so when she's about to do them, chat hatched the plan of spamming 'Mamaaaaa!' at her like a bunch of bizrarre manbabies to 'distract' her. This happens a few times in what is about another hour or so of stream. She very clearly doesn't understand and feels like she's missing out on something but it's just autism.

Then the Chinese come and ask her if she can speak Chinese and if/when she will do a CN-only stream. Petra says that her Chinese isn't nearly good enough for something like that yet but she'll leave the door open for in the future. However, because they are retards that don't understand English, whenever she explains this, all they hear is 'Chinese' and flood the chat asking her if she can speak Chinese as if it wasn't mentioned multiple times already and was literally in her debut. This also happens a few times.

Chat then asks her to say all the unfunny catchphrases like 'Hi honey!', 'Sheesh!', 'Noot Noot!' (okay she actually did this one and it was cute) etc. At this point I'm practically begging for a world-ending apocalyptic event to somehow only disappear these particular people like the book 'GONE'.

She starts reading SCs. Absolutely all of them are calling her and/or her voice cute (which they absolutely are, more on that in a moment), which means she can only really thank them and move on. Far less room for her to spark up something to talk about like Selen who just talked shit for 2 hours and went to sleep.

Absolutely anything she says or does is met with both JP and EN communities calling her cute or, in the former's case, Nihongo Jouzu'img her into oblivion. They absolutely LOVE her. Petra can do no wrong. At this point she's gained about 5-6K subs since she started.

Rosemi shows up in chat as Petra is talking about her upcoming cooking stream, stating that she only started cooking 3 days ago. Petra's excitement becomes a look of concern. The stream ends with her saying she's failed to get much sleep and needs to catch up on it.

I think Petra fits snugly into the category of 'Maximum Comfy' streamers alongside the likes of Ina, Claire and Uto. Not the most charismatic personalities, but that in and of itself is a charm point when you're surrounded by fucking manics. The way she handled the absolute autistic carnage that was her chat for 2.5 hours was absolutely masterful: she didn't get upset, or visibly annoyed, or exasperated with repeating herself, she gave them the patience of a Saint, and it worked so, so well in favour of her image as EN's answer to Sister Claire and Ina.

This may not be the 'Gura Killer' that /vt/ touted Shachimu to be, but I think she's fucking fantastic for the people who like that brand of V-Tuber.
Please tel me Petra fans are called Club Penguin
 
Please tel me Petra fans are called Club Penguin

Still undecided to my knowledge. These streams were mostly SC Donation readings for their debut streams, not their official Intro 2.0 streams still forthcoming today.

I don't think she's going to get away with Club Penguin as it's a Disney IP, but it would be top-tier if she does it.
 
well the 3d live were all pre-recorded to begin with, im guessing they were done weeks in advance due to the covid situation there and how hard it is to match schedules between members. Judging from matsuri's sperging, it could be that hers was done before rushia's anniversary live. That's why even if haato suddenly becomes available for matsuri's concert, they can't make the last minute change just for the two of them to share a stage, as the recording session is already over and it'd be a hassle to just redo their part.

Im more concerned on haachama's part as she 's got a lot on her plate right now. Matsuri being the older one here should've known better not to add more mental burden to her young and unstable co-worker. I know matsuri has a soft spot for haato and that's why her sperging came from an emotional place.

I hope this wont stir up anything big though, I really like the Haato-Matsuri pairing.
good times.
 
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31 pages into his diary and about 4k axolotls bred and still no ao uparupa. Pain.
He keep doing it alone, it cant be a coincidence that all the other lupas came as joint efforts (Fubuki) or another player was just nearby minding its own business (Botan)

Edit: Irys adaptation process is going very smoothly

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Hard to believe she just started last week
 
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How far are we from a true AI vtuber-like thing? I'm actually surprised at how so many people use replika as an AI waifu yet nobody has taken that and combined it with a 3D anime avatar to make an app. You can even deepfake a voice now, could easily make a voice synthesizer that sounds like a real anime girl, or pay an imitator to make a taylor swift-like voice or whatever generic celeb idiot its popular right now

Shit would make millions, too bad I dont have the startup capital to get that going. The apps market its all freemium now and for that to work you have to burn through money until you get enough whales paying for premium, in this case probably an unlimited version, or a smarter GPT-4 powered version like with AI dungeon
 
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