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That picture is actually pretty adorable, although hontra made the mistake again of displaying her enormous manhands
and abi just looks like her real self.
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Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.
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and abi just looks like her real self.
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First time poster so bear with me. I did some digging on /lgbt and found some things that might be of interest. PT deleted his now-famous "coming out" tweet. I'm not sure if he did this on purpose and is trying to erase anything that has to do with him being born male and pretend to be a "natural-born cis woman!", or if he just has a bot that automatically deletes posts that are older than a certain period. I don't think that the second option is all that plausible since that tweet probably has the most engagement he's ever gotten on Twitter (271k likes) and sjw types like him love that sort of sappy, attention-whore confessional stuff.
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Some poster also accused PT of sexual assault/inappropriate behavior. It's an anonymous poster on /lgbt so take it with a grain of salt, but seeing as how PT pre-transition perfectly fit the "non-threatening white beta male feminist" who actually turns out to be a sex pest (like that stonetoss comic), it's not really surprising.
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Also, both the Contrapoints archive channels (one called Contrapoints plus and the other called Contrapoints Archive) that have been linked on here have been nuked, presumably by that one rabid white-knight who was also mentioned in here.
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Some poster also accused PT of sexual assault/inappropriate behavior. It's an anonymous poster on /lgbt so take it with a grain of salt, but seeing as how PT pre-transition perfectly fit the "non-threatening white beta male feminist" who actually turns out to be a sex pest (like that stonetoss comic), it's not really surprising.
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Also, both the Contrapoints archive channels (one called Contrapoints plus and the other called Contrapoints Archive) that have been linked on here have been nuked, presumably by that one rabid white-knight who was also mentioned in here.
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He's always used a plug-in that auto-deletes his tweets after a certain amount of time so there's no point in reading into the fact that his coming out tweet is deleted.
As for the rest, why would a random cis bi woman be on /tttt/ when that place is almost entirely misogynistic troons? Why is that where she would post her assault story? And to do so only after Olly trooned out and everyone on 4chan is making up stories about how Olly assaulted Nyk? Go on /tttt/ on any given day and you'll see stories about how Nyk eats neovagina hairballs and tampons and wears diapers. It's all "libelous nonsense" as snl825 put it, and it's annoying how schizos on /tttt/ spread their stupid rape theory onto Olly's subreddit and twitter. Also the Contrapoints archive youtube accounts got termed after they started circulating among Breadtube fans, they likely mass reported it.
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The rapehon avatar is pretty funny.
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That's fair. I didn't see his tweet regarding auto-deletion. I guess it being deleted initially struck me as odd since most youtube personalities use Twitter for marketing and keeping promotional Tweets about your videos would be good for posterity/engagement and because his gushy coming-out drivel is the peak of his whole "stunning and brave!" narcissistic fantasy.
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i’ll say two things for consideration-
one, regarding the livestream that folk reckon could be dead cert proof that PT is not the ‘prominent leftist Metoo suspect’
sexual assault is a helll of a emotionally complicated grey area. victims go backwards and forward about it all the time, keep relationships with people.
part of it is… you once liked that person, a lot- most rapes are between people who know each other, stranger rape is statistically small.
it’s very possible that a relationship can be kept up in the mean time while someone tries to parse out what really happened to them.
it’s difficult, you don’t want to think that happened to you, you feel sorry for the perpetrator (“what kind of sad hurt person is capable of doing that to someone/ maybe i invited it -maybe i feel better thinking this then thinking i was so helpless and stupid- maybe i want to feel in control, maybe this makes me feel better? no, if that’s true why do i feel like this in the first place etc etc etc) backwards and forwards for YEARS. There’s a reason rape is a fucker on the old noggin. it’s cos it’s SO complicated. it’s annoying. it’s surprising. it would be much nicer if it was just like being punched…in the arse or dick or vag.
the april dated stream means very little within the context of metoo flavoured ish, tbh.
i’m not saying it was def relating to PT but the date doesn’t flatly cancel it out.
secondly- though i have no problem imagining PT to be perfectly capable of abusing a romantic partner- just based of some of the people he interacts with on twitter, my own IRL experiences with them, and the fact i had a weird feeling before seeing the @‘s that he might have been involved with them, maybe even a vague memory of him irl years ago; it is extremely likely that if he was in a relationship with one of those girls, he could have been abused.
they are abusive people. trust me. i can’t give any examples as it wouldn’t completely reveal my identity should any of those fuckers be lurking, but those people were severely fucked, in a genuine, “feminism” for the purposes of actual sadism, bullied kid getting a bite of power, tinpot hitler way, and the pathetic beaten down males who were their “boyfriends” who they *openly* abused….. yeah i don’t doubt Olly could well have been so.
someone more crazy than him got the upper hand; and someone as narcissistic as him meeting his sucubus match, followed by the youtube hugbox rewarding his mediocre and display of poorly portrayed, self-inflicted-resulted vulnerability is, in fact, a perfect recipe and about one of the only such that could have combined to produce the extraordinarily sinister minister we now have in our dairy.
one, regarding the livestream that folk reckon could be dead cert proof that PT is not the ‘prominent leftist Metoo suspect’
sexual assault is a helll of a emotionally complicated grey area. victims go backwards and forward about it all the time, keep relationships with people.
part of it is… you once liked that person, a lot- most rapes are between people who know each other, stranger rape is statistically small.
it’s very possible that a relationship can be kept up in the mean time while someone tries to parse out what really happened to them.
it’s difficult, you don’t want to think that happened to you, you feel sorry for the perpetrator (“what kind of sad hurt person is capable of doing that to someone/ maybe i invited it -maybe i feel better thinking this then thinking i was so helpless and stupid- maybe i want to feel in control, maybe this makes me feel better? no, if that’s true why do i feel like this in the first place etc etc etc) backwards and forwards for YEARS. There’s a reason rape is a fucker on the old noggin. it’s cos it’s SO complicated. it’s annoying. it’s surprising. it would be much nicer if it was just like being punched…in the arse or dick or vag.
the april dated stream means very little within the context of metoo flavoured ish, tbh.
i’m not saying it was def relating to PT but the date doesn’t flatly cancel it out.
secondly- though i have no problem imagining PT to be perfectly capable of abusing a romantic partner- just based of some of the people he interacts with on twitter, my own IRL experiences with them, and the fact i had a weird feeling before seeing the @‘s that he might have been involved with them, maybe even a vague memory of him irl years ago; it is extremely likely that if he was in a relationship with one of those girls, he could have been abused.
they are abusive people. trust me. i can’t give any examples as it wouldn’t completely reveal my identity should any of those fuckers be lurking, but those people were severely fucked, in a genuine, “feminism” for the purposes of actual sadism, bullied kid getting a bite of power, tinpot hitler way, and the pathetic beaten down males who were their “boyfriends” who they *openly* abused….. yeah i don’t doubt Olly could well have been so.
someone more crazy than him got the upper hand; and someone as narcissistic as him meeting his sucubus match, followed by the youtube hugbox rewarding his mediocre and display of poorly portrayed, self-inflicted-resulted vulnerability is, in fact, a perfect recipe and about one of the only such that could have combined to produce the extraordinarily sinister minister we now have in our dairy.
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Lol lol more references to libel - naughty 4channers
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The argument isn't as simple as "survivors never interact with their rapists after rape." That would be absurd for all the reasons you mention. But we aren't discussing generalities here; we're talking about a specific case, and none of the details here line up to sustain the theory that PT is the prominent leftist figure Contra called out in Canceling.
January 2020: Contra says she was assaulted in a public video. She doesn't name the person who did it, but neither does she deny the nature of what they did. Whoever it is realizes upon watching that she could cancel them in an instant if she wanted to. This is a warning shot.
Now put yourself in PT's shoes, April 2020. You're an image-obsessed YouTuber who wants desperately to be loved/admired/worshipped/seen as good and righteous by a certain subsection of Twitter. Say you're also the person who sexually assaulted Contra. Would you hop on a stream with her right after she called you out?
(Remember too that you're a terrible actor, so good luck acting normal like the person you're streaming with doesn't have the power to kick you clean off the Internet.)
Interesting. But I don't believe the ex-girlfriend he referenced in his abuse video mixed with his present day Twitter crowd. IIRC someone revealed her identity way back in the ContraPoints thread, and she wasn't an online type at all.
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Just to add on: The April 24th, 2020 stream was originally just a birthday stream for Olly (with Mia Mulder as a guest) and then Contra popped in the chat to say hi and joined in. Olly and Contra then spent the next hour lightly flirting with one another while Mia was a third wheel. As @Tombigbee said earlier in the thread: "Olly is clearly AMPED to be interacting with Contra. He’s literally constantly smiling in the beginning and fighting to suppress it. There’s lots of flirty banter between the two of them. Contra says that Olly’s shirt always becomes unbuttoned during his streams, Olly says no no that’s not true and Contra says “I’m not complaining. “Mia” is such a third wheel throughout, you can tell that Olly and Contra are tuned in to one another. Olly keeps reaching to bring up past hangouts with Contra. “This port reminds me of that time we went to the bar in….” etc. "
People respond to rape in different ways but going on a stream with your rapist to flirt with them for an hour, 5 months after you publicly acknowledged that you were raped, seems incredibly unlikely. It's still a possibility, but so is absolutely anything. Also I don't think anyone actually considers Olly a 'prominent leftist figure'. Keep in mind Contra has ties to actual liberal/lefty figures.
As far as the allegedly abusive girlfriend, all I could find in the Contrapoints thread was @Nykysnottrans saying he watched Olly's video on his abusive relationship and Olly claimed that his abusive ex is "very not online", and that they were dating in 2018. Olly mentioned he was dating an actress in June 2018, and that they did scenes together. June 2018 was also when Nyk and Olly met up in person for the first time at vidcon, and they started their relationship later that year.
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Contra also tells Olly during that stream that his hair looks great and something like “it’s sexy disheveled.” Something like that.
Olly was definitely acting different towards Contra in that last shared livestream. Trying to suppress his glee that Contra was there. He doesn’t act like that so much in their previous streams. If anything Contra seems to be the more smitten one in those. It’s funny seeing Olly pre-troon. Yea he seems douchey at times but to think that he went from garden variety beta SJW simp to the absolute monstrosity that is Abighoul…. It’s such a bizarre train wreck.
Funny that Olly was dating “a really wonderful actor,” whereas he misses no opportunity to refer to himself as an actress.
That Contraplus channel that got nuked had a Jan 2021 AMA where I thought Contra was obliquely referring to Abighoul. Contra said something about validity but then added with a smirk, “well SOME people are just confused and they think they’re trans when they aren’t…”. And also he spoke at length about people copying him and doing characters etc. Maybe they were general statements but maybe not.
Olly was definitely acting different towards Contra in that last shared livestream. Trying to suppress his glee that Contra was there. He doesn’t act like that so much in their previous streams. If anything Contra seems to be the more smitten one in those. It’s funny seeing Olly pre-troon. Yea he seems douchey at times but to think that he went from garden variety beta SJW simp to the absolute monstrosity that is Abighoul…. It’s such a bizarre train wreck.
Funny that Olly was dating “a really wonderful actor,” whereas he misses no opportunity to refer to himself as an actress.
That Contraplus channel that got nuked had a Jan 2021 AMA where I thought Contra was obliquely referring to Abighoul. Contra said something about validity but then added with a smirk, “well SOME people are just confused and they think they’re trans when they aren’t…”. And also he spoke at length about people copying him and doing characters etc. Maybe they were general statements but maybe not.
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When thinking about the PT/CP thing, I think I get most confused making the distinction between the person Contra mentions in the January 2020 Cancelling video, the "fairly prominent figure in leftist politics" that he could #MeToo, and the person he mentions in the February 2020 Shame video, the oh-so-doting and loving chad boyfriend. I don't think these two people mentioned are the same person. Based on the paper trail— and this is hardly an original assumption or anything— I'm far more inclined to believe that PT is the person mentioned in the Shame video than CP's rapist, mainly because I'm more convinced of the possibility of them dating and then having a falling out because CP got weirded out about PT's transition and his other skinwalker behavior. Also because the whole PT raped CP thing has been beaten to death on 4chan but nobody has managed to come up with any proof (screenshots of thread posts or discord hearsay) that wasn't already discussed here.
In the Shame video, CP refers to how Chad was "the gigachad fantasy" or whatever.
PT is your typical posh, hasn't worked a day in his sheltered life champagne "socialist", but it wasn't uncommon to see all of these comments on his pre-transition videos and in his subreddit about how he was just such a chad and an example of how real men/male feminists/male allies should act. His chad characterization seems to be pretty prominent among Breadtube fans. ("In the kingdom of the blind" or whatever they say.)
I'm also still stuck on CP referring to the person in Cancelling as "a prominent figure in leftist politics". I think if he was referring to PT, he would have said something about it being a fairly prominent youtuber since most of the video talks about youtube personalities (James Charles) and I think it would have made more sense narratively to keep in line with that theme.
Either way, PT is a narcissistic and delusional freak who is obsessed with Contrapoints.
In the Shame video, CP refers to how Chad was "the gigachad fantasy" or whatever.
I'm also still stuck on CP referring to the person in Cancelling as "a prominent figure in leftist politics". I think if he was referring to PT, he would have said something about it being a fairly prominent youtuber since most of the video talks about youtube personalities (James Charles) and I think it would have made more sense narratively to keep in line with that theme.
Either way, PT is a narcissistic and delusional freak who is obsessed with Contrapoints.
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i dunno.
she said ‘i could Metoo’
that could mean a great variety of different things.
you could ‘metoo’ someone by deliberately misrepresenting a consensual (though not specifically vocalised- who does that anyway?) sexual encounter, like ‘if i framed something this way it could fuck someone up’.
she could have also meant like, something that maybe she had given more consideration to and decided was a bit fucked and had already had a discussion with that person about.
i’m still not sold that flirting with someone means that something didn’t happen. like i say soemtimes it takes ages, new information, distance and new context (ie, the birth of abigoul) to make pieces fit in to place.
whatever, i hate olly and am happy to think he did whatever.
actually i wonder if it’s not this, and it’s probably not, what dumbass thing might have happened.
maybe just after the love bombing and surface level charm gets old she just went right off him, but it’s amusing to imagine some stupid big event he managed to stumble into.
something that keeps occurring to me with the timeline is maybe his whole ‘i’m trans’ thing is like an extreme accrue reverse Glinner!
Glinner got called transphobic and instead of just taking it on the chin, saying yeah the comedy series i made nearly thirty years ago probably had some iffy stuff with today’s lense, hands up to it, move on with my life- rather than dedicate every second of the next eight years to twitter while his family and career fell to bits around him.
Olly got called out and instead of saying yeah maybe that was a bit of an ill considered thing to say, my bad, i did sort of use trans ppl as a punch line..
(which for the record, it doesn’t seem he gave any sort of apology- his sock puppet was all over the place telling people he was ‘legit too crazy busy’ to even know there was any criticism, and probably too busy worthily ‘weaving trans issues into his content’ to even know! ‘gasp’)
so yeah he panic decided to just be trans lmao.
Glinners voyage took longer, lost him everything, Abigouls was a crash course and has gained herself a bit of work.
But Glinners still gonna have a dick at the end of the day. He looked monstrous to begin with so that’s a moot point of comparison.
two peas in an awful, awful pod.
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Speaking of Glinner, just thought I’d throw a bit of levity back into the thread.
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To be honest the main thing that made me suspect he might troon out were his changes in dress and appearance. Shaving his face and growing his hair longer combined with more frequent crossdressing in his videos. It was a pretty simple assumption to make
More likely trying to be sexy, he loves being seen as a sex object both pre- and post-troonout, maybe especially post-troonout.
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Seems far more likely that Olly just got plain old friendzoned by Contra, even if they did bang a couple of times. Guys like Olly think a slap on the arse is BDSM, whereas Contra is more into opiate fuelled 12 hour mansion orgies (in Minecraft). Probably goes something like: Olly confesses his love, Contra freaks out. Olly continues to worship m'lady and Contra can't handle it - they agree to stop contact. Heartbroken and dejected Olly decides to be more sexual like his oneitis idol, but can't do it as a man without feeling rape-y (plus all the gym time) so he does the stunning and brave thing of transitioning, and in doing so receives all of the applause he never got on the stage.
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Is PT the figure in leftist politics that Hontra mentioned in her canceling video, that she could #metoo? Most likely not. All evidence points to the contrary, as highlighted above.
Did PT fuck Hontra in the butt and came buckets at one time? Probably.
Did Hontra trans PT? Most definitely.
Are Hontra and PT ‚friends’ at this point? No.
Is PT creepy and empty inside, even if she’s not Hontras rapist? Oh absolutely!
Any more questions babes?
Did PT fuck Hontra in the butt and came buckets at one time? Probably.
Did Hontra trans PT? Most definitely.
Are Hontra and PT ‚friends’ at this point? No.
Is PT creepy and empty inside, even if she’s not Hontras rapist? Oh absolutely!
Any more questions babes?
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Recap of the Social Constructs livestream, which can be found here. Nothing that interesting really happened aside from what looked like a bad attempt at a raid from /lgbt. Someone close to the 56 minute mark sends in a superchat asking PT to "address the situation between him and contra," to which he says that he doesn't know what the chatter is talking about. People in the chat react pretty negatively to this and bitch about prying into someone's private life.
Note the spelling of Contra with a 0, since all mentions of Contrapoints or Contra were automatically getting filtered in the chat. Someone archived the clip here since it wouldn't surprise me if he deleted it.
Other stuff that I'm too lazy to find the official timestamps for
And dutiful work from PT's jannies.
Edit: I wrote that initially, the stream was uploaded so that you couldn't see the live chat replay, but now when you click on the link the chats are visible.
Note the spelling of Contra with a 0, since all mentions of Contrapoints or Contra were automatically getting filtered in the chat. Someone archived the clip here since it wouldn't surprise me if he deleted it.
Other stuff that I'm too lazy to find the official timestamps for
- PT mentions that he has an upcoming job doing an audiobook that people in the chat will be happy about/might have some knowledge about. I'm assuming this is Lindsay Ellis's upcoming book, as she's writing a sequel. This leads me to believe that whatever happened between CP and PT wasn't rape/assault but probably something closer to petty bullshit. I doubt if PT was CP's rapist, CP would be cool with Lindsay having him in her audiobook.
- Someone mentions Baltimore ("please come to Baltimore") and PT says that he's open to it since he has friends that live there and has visited before.
- In a section about parasocial relationships, he talks about being friends with "fellow creators" and how he tries to not let that person's public face as a creator/internet personality affect his relationship with them. He also mentions that he has close friends who are creators but he doesn't even follow them on twitter. Seems like a CP reference, since I'm fairly sure that most of the other Breadtube clique people follow one another on Twitter and interact with one another pretty frequently.
And dutiful work from PT's jannies.
Edit: I wrote that initially, the stream was uploaded so that you couldn't see the live chat replay, but now when you click on the link the chats are visible.
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I will say that this is probably the best post-transition outfit Olly has. The dress hides his ginormous shoulders and doesn't look too awkward when he stands up. It looks like the sort of Zimmermann dress Nyk would wear (just a bit cheaper), although I know someone earlier compared it to Theryn's dresses.
Livestream wasn't too exciting, @extremely online covered some of the more important moments.
18:05 & 36:45- Chivalry is the TV gig he was talking about the other day, where he will have a LA accent. As for other acting gigs: he might have an audio play coming up, he's voicing an audiobook, and he'll be going back to Romania to continue filming for Django next month. He has also met with directors in order to see if he could put on his play, which he plans on doing next year. He also did an interview with Insider that will be out this week.
1:10:52- Someone asked if any public trans figures helped inspire him during his transition, he doesn't name Contra but he says "some friends inspired me, some close friends, some dear old friends" and smiles. He's probably read the 'dear old friend' quote dozens of times by now so it seemed like an intentional reference/self-aware joke.
43:40- He seems like he's about to say that he'll be moving? He cuts himself off after "I've also moved. I'm going to be mo-" and then says he can't say that because he signed a NDA.
16:10- He went a bit into the process behind putting together the costumes for the video, which I appreciate. Olly says he knew what he wanted for the main outfit for this video (jumpsuit, gloves, big shiny belt, baseball cap). His stylist then brought over a few outfits to choose from (he usually brings over 6-7 different outfits). The first costume was supposed to be the only one (the black leather jumpsuit), but they ended up using the backup outfits as well. The tan look in the car with the white lace gloves was the backup-backup look, which might explain why it looks like that. His stylist was the one that brought Olly the Pleasers, since Olly asked for 'ridiculous boots'. Olly knew they were associated with strippers but wore them anyway, he actually wore them for parts of the video where he was standing and walking. I didn't think he would be able to walk around in them, but I guess he powered through it to satisfy his autogynephilia.
34:50- He has started to do research for his next video, which will likely be a bit special since he's close to hitting one million subscribers. This is the one he's hoping to collab with someone on, but it may not work out. He calls them an "icon".
He still has plans to shoot the underwater/scuba diving video.
Lots of "whoops i'm such a lil bimbo" moments this video, as always.
He still has plans to shoot the underwater/scuba diving video.
Lots of "whoops i'm such a lil bimbo" moments this video, as always.
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Has Contra ever elaborated on or even mentioned the alleged incident since his cancel culture video or has he conspicuously forgotten all about it? If not, you could argue he's basically complicit in covering it up. Rape is not just some cancellable offence, its an actual crime, and Contra absolutely has the wealth and media connections to put the guy away or at least destroy his reputation forever. Perhaps if people keep openly speculating that PT is the rapist Contra will feel obligated to come out and clarify that it wasn't him. Or maybe Contra likes the speculation even if it isn't true because he has some grudge against PT and letting the rumor spread is a way for him to get back at PT without even having to do anything.
I'm still not convinced the alleged rape even happened. Contra has many reasons to justify making the whole thing up whether its for sympathy points, or to add to the lore of the "character" of Contrapoints, or maybe he just needed it as a narrative set piece for his Cancelling video, etc. My theory is that its a self validating thing where he's basically saying "I'm such a beautiful true-and-honest passing woman UwU that I too must now worry about lady issues like rape. That damn patriarchy UwU!"
I always found it a bit odd that in a video about cancel culture Contra uses rape as an example. Obviously there is a difference between, say, someone being fired from their job for a mildly racist joke they made as a teenager on facebook 10 years ago and, you know, actual sexual assault, which, again, is a crime. Its possible that it was some weird sex thing that he ended up regretting/made him feel slightly uncomfortable that he then recontextualized as full blown rape for his video (kind of like the allegations made against Aziz Ansari or even Louie CK) and will never bring it up again.