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Menotaur said:
On first glance the statement seems sound from Josh, but it is full of holes that I've come to expect from persons who deal with off the wall stuff and who detract generally from regular information.

The idea of total distrust - and that "they all lie" is just the same type of soundboard used by cults to let you know that their information is real, and all else is fake.

The idea that you can get scientists over a period of 200 years to agree on general principles and many things through tireless experimentation and documentation - but that all else who read their work should "not trust it" unless "they can personally verify it" is practically and in all reasonableness, absurd. I'm not going to go out and build by own CERN because Josh says I shouldn't trust it because I can not personally verify it - even if every scientists who has gone to CERN has verified the result.

There is a difference between being skeptical and then just flat out taking a position everything is a lie unless you can verify it is the route of a fool.
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I think what he was getting at is that government agencies, journalists, and social media companies have an axe to grind against us, and they should always be assumed to be hostile unless proven otherwise.
 
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Menotaur said:
I'm not going to go out and build by own CERN because Josh says I shouldn't trust it because I can not personally verify it - even if every scientists who has gone to CERN has verified the result.
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I wonder what results derived from CERN methodology would ever be relevant enough to the general public to be in question by popular media?

Also, science should be questioned. That's the point. If it doesn't, you get some dude writing a shit paper on vaccines in the 80s and today Karen still believes her son's autism is caused by jabs instead of her shit genetics.
 
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Menotaur said:
The idea that you can get scientists over a period of 200 years to agree on general principles and many things through tireless experimentation and documentation - but that all else who read their work should "not trust it" unless "they can personally verify it" is practically and in all reasonableness,
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The 'tireless experimentation and documentation' has nothing to do with the pseudo-sciences taught in school. You can't pretend to build a bridge, it would collapse. You can, however, pretend to engage in psychological "science" for 60 years and have your random fetishes and bullshit thrown into a textbook.
 
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Sexy Senior Citizen said:
I think what he was getting at is that government agencies, journalists, and social media companies have an axe to grind against us, and they should always be assumed to be hostile unless proven otherwise.
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Yes, I totally agree with you, and with your interpretation.

The statement if you can't verify it then it is conjecture is demonstrably false and I ask others to beware of that.

No one here on KF has ever done a detailed study on the moon and no one on here has been there - but to say that the moon is round and 300,000 KM away is conjecture is false. Simply because we have not done a detailed proof - and what every person on Earth is going to need to do their own study to verify the moon is round?

Shall we all decide that the Element chart, too is entirely conjecture because none of us have seen a Helium or uranium atom?

And as for motivations there are many who have motivations that include simply releasing their findings as with archeology studies etc. etc. etc. without a motivation other than to simply release the findings.

I'd suggest people chose their data sources more wisely and have some standard of trust associated with it. There has never been a story on CNN, MSNBC or Fox News that I have ever taken at face value, but there are some journalists out there that have looked deeply into things and have proof of their work, so I am inclined to go with their data over a broadcaster handed a piece of paper.

Always skeptical is healthy, but to entirely distrust everything every expert in every field says because you haven't verified it is the route of the damned.
 
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Prince Vegeta said:
I wonder what results derived from CERN methodology would ever be relevant enough to the general public to be in question by popular media?

Also, science should be questioned. That's the point. If it doesn't, you get some dude writing a shit paper on vaccines in the 80s and today Karen still believes her son's autism is caused by jabs instead of her shit genetics.
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As you say - shit paper. That went through peer review and was shitted all over.

But we do not all need to become virologists or immunization experts to verify the position held in the shit paper, rather a scientific approach to the paper reveals it's flaws. So perhaps the session here is how to think rather what to read.
 
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Yes, critical thinking is good. “Critical” theory is crap w/ an agenda. I don’t see that as the point of what Null was saying. I see another big batch of bloat being added to a thread, Japanese obits, think for yourself, etc etc.

Main thing, that USA Today midden-heap, was more of the same, nothing.
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It'll be interesting to see the reaction of journos if/when undeniable proof comes out that Near is alive and the whole thing was a badly-disgused hoax. If it's been this long without any actual proof he's dead I think even the most gullible person should get suspicious.

Journalists for these major, mainstream publications are refusing to do basic fact-checking like trying to make sure this dude is actually dead. This shit is why even someone as left-leaning as me doesn't trust the media anymore.
 
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Also..
Japs neck themselves over anything. Dishonored the shogunate? Flip. Dropped two points in your GPA? Flip. Lost the big promotion to Yoshi? Flip. Out of stock at the anime girl soiled panty vending machine? Flip.
Geez USAToday.. way to shame a rich cultural tradition.
 
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When people talk about how much they hate and distrust journalists or “the media,” they’re usually only referring to the people and organizations that don’t pander to them. I’m certain that most of the people in this thread applaud equally inaccurate and slanted journalism when it confirms their beliefs rather than attacking them.
 
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Disgruntled Pupper said:
The people like this journalist who support the idea that we should not be allowed to speak or face punishment if we do because some unhinged piece of shit might off themselves because they can't handle the fact that not everyone sucks their ass are abusive, no diffrent than the nobility of old, and should be shot in the head and their offices burnt to the ground.
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Nobility of old you say?
I know a good friend from the past that would be more than glad to come back now that his haircut services are at an all time high demand
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