Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Francis York Morgan]

Really sucks since apparently Drizzt's old man is enough of a chad to make sure he's the one in charge of family affairs, despite being stuck in a literal wheelchair, probably as some sort of drow punishment. Also, the drow not being raging assholes ruins the whole point of Drizzt. "Yeah, fuck you you evil, spider-worshipping assholes, Imma head out and go kick some ass because you fuckers piss me off so badly I'd rather hang out with people likely to murder me in my sleep out of a sense of self-preservation. At least they'll have an actual fucking reason to try and do it, you cunts."

Ruins the whole point of Eilistraee, the tragedy of Selvetarm, basically anything and everything involving Lolth. If you're addressing the imagined racism in drow portrayals, are you going to do anything to address the real sexism in their portrayal? What about them being so buddy-buddy with demons that there's a couple of special demon hybrids that come from the drow? How about that elder evil motherfucker who has such an active following with drow that he's part of their pantheon?

 

[Brain Problems]

despite being stuck in a literal wheelchair

Not sure if ya heard but that ain't an issue anymore son. The underdark spent several thousand platinum making everything accessible in case any handi-capable adventurers came by. The altar to LOLth has a nice ramp now.

You know, now that I think of it, I'm developing the sneaking suspicion they're trying to pin this on non-existent "racial coding" (there are no coal-black, Asian-looking black people anywhere in the US or Africa) but their actual problem with the drow is that they're an oppressive matriarchal society. According to the woke, such a thing should not be possible. So if they change drow society to be all-accepting and wonderful and perfectly fine with males pretending to be females (or if they suddenly get retconned as always having had genderbending rituals), we'll know that's the case.

Matriarchies are okay because #TimesUpUnderdark the #ForgottenRealmsIsFemale

I don't completely blame Salvatore for this. It's a mercenary gig and Hasbro/WOTC might have enough attack-lawyers a button-press away behind a secret wall to Disney his ass to hell and back and make residuals a nightmare. But I'm not a long-time fan and haven't read of his novels so I come at this from a different angle and again, fully appreciate people who have a history with the material to be rightfully pissed off at such an obviously political move.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Ruins the whole point of Eilistraee, the tragedy of Selvetarm, basically anything and everything involving Lolth. If you're addressing the imagined racism in drow portrayals, are you going to do anything to address the real sexism in their portrayal? What about them being so buddy-buddy with demons that there's a couple of special demon hybrids that come from the drow? How about that elder evil motherfucker who has such an active following with drow that he's part of their pantheon?

It's okay, none of that is canon anymore.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

You know, now that I think of it, I'm developing the sneaking suspicion they're trying to pin this on non-existent "racial coding" (there are no coal-black, Asian-looking black people anywhere in the US or Africa) but their actual problem with the drow is that they're an oppressive matriarchal society. According to the woke, such a thing should not be possible. So if they change drow society to be all-accepting and wonderful and perfectly fine with males pretending to be females (or if they suddenly get retconned as always having had genderbending rituals), we'll know that's the case.

Not true, Madagascar was originally settled by ancient Indonesians, but Leftists don't consider history and science to be real things.

I feel bad for Salvatore. Must suck to see decades of work getting binned and set ablaze because a few of mentally stunted weirdos who don't even read your books are having a temper tantrum on the Internet.

It's worse for Ed Greenwood. He was brought back in during 4th Edition as a consultant only to watch as they didn't listen to a word he said and burned his creation to the ground. He was only brought in to give credence to the product.

Not sure if ya heard but that ain't an issue anymore son. The underdark spent several thousand platinum making everything accessible in case any handi-capable adventurers came by. The altar to LOLth has a nice ramp now.

Matriarchies are okay because #TimesUpUnderdark the #ForgottenRealmsIsFemale

I don't completely blame Salvatore for this. It's a mercenary gig and Hasbro/WOTC might have enough attack-lawyers a button-press away behind a secret wall to Disney his ass to hell and back and make residuals a nightmare. But I'm not a long-time fan and haven't read of his novels so I come at this from a different angle and again, fully appreciate people who have a history with the material to be rightfully pissed off at such an obviously political move.

Knowing the things that work at WotC now, they would have canceled him if they didn't do as they said.

From Drow of the Underdark 1991 by Ed Greenwood
"Moreover, in the other worlds where they are found, drow may vary in
customs and details from the information given herein."
If WotC was smart they would just make their own campaign world instead of butchering others. Hell, every name the Drow race
go by in the Forgotten Realms means the accursed.

It's okay, none of that is canon anymore.

Most of stuff printed during and after 4th Edition I don't consider canon.

 

[You Bastard Guy]

I grew up being called a retard, fag, or loser for liking D&D.

Now I’m calling the people who like D&D retards, fags, troons, and/or losers.

Whatta world

 

[Francis York Morgan]

If WotC was smart they would just make their own campaign world instead of butchering others.

They've been trying for years and never come up with anything people are drawn to for any real period of time.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Maybe late but fuck me this is bullshit that hurts like a motherfucker

It hurts because it finally hit me D&D is dead and since it was what got me into tabletop rpgs so this a sad moment for me
Fucking assholes

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

+++++

Maybe late but fuck me this is bullshit that hurts like a motherfucker
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It hurts because it finally hit me D&D is dead and since it was what got me into tabletop rpgs so this a sad moment for me
Fucking assholes

I realize that about two years after 5th Edition. Great edition for what it is though I don't get that Epic Fantasy feel I got with the other three editions. Then you started to see the flies start to roost. Celebrity streams on Youtube and Twitch, articles on how D&D is problematic and you're a bad person for liking it, modules and splat books that tell you the same thing, rules getting over simplified or removed to make the game dumber. fan favourites told to toe the line or else, campaign settings which are older than the people working at WotC being ruined and rewritten to suit the Leftist Agenda.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Welp, that's it.

Crazy Uncle Johnny's out of the RPG game.

Fuck 'em.

Everyone's bending the knee, kissing the girlcock ring, and then telling me to take my turn.

They've decided to destroy 40 years of canon with their genderspecial bullshit from bandwagon jumpers who are trying to push out everyone who, you know, kept these hobbies afloat for the 35+ years before they saw Big Bang Theory and Critical Role.

They're busy telling everyone that what they enjoyed is stupid.

The Forge people are overrunning the battlements.

They'd rather put out a sourcebook on genderspecial prom rather than do something cool like buff martial classes.

They'd rather just rape old settings and blacklist all the old guard than come up with anything new.

Fucking.

Done.

I know it isn't much, and kind of screaming into the void, but I said fuck it and nuked my TTRPG accounts on forums and the like. I'm not buying any new stuff, not even as a gift for my friends and family who play, and will advise them to just stick to older editions.

They don't get one more red cent. Not one. No support, no recommendations, no input, no nothing.

Here's some advice for any of you planning or trying to get into the TTRPG industry, be it joining a 3rd party publisher, one of the alternate publishers, or trying to get with one of the mainline companies.

Don't. Just... don't.

If you think gamedevs are fucking autistic weirdos and a pain in the ass, they've got nothing on the neurotic messes that are TTRPG developers. You've got motherfuckers waving the male feminist flag that I wouldn't trust alone with a Raggedy Anne doll pulled from a garbage can. You've got women that hide behind being a woman in gaming to hide complete incompetence and toxic personalities. You've got people with the 'usual suspects' on speed dial to help do the whisper and twitter networks against anything that gets popular that isn't touching the danegeld of paying off troons and SJW dangerhairs with positions that just let them collect a paycheck.

If something gets popular, there is ALWAYS at least one person that thinks that their contribution and their contribution alone is what made the product great. They demand more of the cut, then when you refuse, they demand their IP back and throw a fit if you tap the 'all submissions, accepted or rejected, are property of [COMPANY] LLC' and tell them they gave up any ownership. When that happens, they take to Twitter, FB, and the whisper networks to push all kinds of dumb shit. You've got the hangerons who demand their cut for good reviews or to keep from using their 'review bomb networks' on shit. You have obvious competitors allowed to use their company accounts and personal accounts to review bomb shit.

It's full of grand-standing and narcassistic assholes that are worse than a crab bucket.

So, fuck this.

I'm out.

I know, I know, mad on the internet. Except I'm not mad.

 

[Ghostse]

I realize that about two years after 5th Edition. Great edition for what it is though I don't get that Epic Fantasy feel I got with the other three editions.

I like 5e for what it tried to do mechanically. I like advantage, I like they kept Ritual & Combat casting separate, I liked they tried keep the bonus stacking from getting out of hand. I like the "Stat boost OR feat" (I dislike they have feats are a stat boost + something). I like that there was an actual SRD available instead of the useless one for 4e. I like accept the necessity of Investigate as a player skill for groups in CURRENT YEAR, with current systems.
There is a lot promising ideas in 5e that just don't quite come together.

I dislike the number of subclassses since they are not even close in equality/utility. I dislike they partly returned to word-based and not mechanics-based definitions for abilities. I dislike how the system just feels completely soulless as you read it. And I don't care how you felt about 4e, their monster and power blocks were uniform, easy to read, and everything else is complete garbage by comparison.

But I checked out on running 5e when D&D Beyond brought back vancian casting they had the Tranny Passage in the Player's Handbook. No one in the history of ever has taken issue with "cross play" except the sweatiest of LARPers. The reason you are told you can't be the opposite gender is probably because of how you play them or it anticipated you play them. (Nearly blew up a group because I forbid the resident fugoshi from playing men because they kept making characters that behaved the exact way you'd expect a faghag playing a male to behave. No I don't care if your character is gay. I would care if a player made their character straight in the same way you are making yours gay.)

I hate that it assumes everyone is a socially retarded simpleton and infantilizes the GM; I was doing that shit anyway.

It like this latest stupid announcement about Canon from Wizards. I don't think anyone expected the adventures of Drizz't to be canon for the FR source books. The GM might crib from them or put maybe allude to events in the campaign, or even have a prequel or 100 years later sort of thing. But we didn't need big daddy wizards to offer up an official pronouncement as they get on the 'canon is gatekeeping' shit going on the woketards ruin Star Wars.

Spoiler: Full Disclosure

I picked up black friday sale 5e box set & curse of strahd (pre-cucking) because I read reviews saying Strahd was worth it, and it was the OG couple doing Strahd. got the box set for like $40 so I'd have source material to convert Strahd. I also picked up the 5e overland adventures box because the DM screen art is the best I've ever seen and intend to just tape printouts over the inside.

Welp, that's it.

Crazy Uncle Johnny's out of the RPG game.

Fuck 'em.

Everyone's bending the knee, kissing the girlcock ring, and then telling me to take my turn.

They've decided to destroy 40 years of canon with their genderspecial bullshit from bandwagon jumpers who are trying to push out everyone who, you know, kept these hobbies afloat for the 35+ years before they saw Big Bang Theory and Critical Role.

They're busy telling everyone that what they enjoyed is stupid.

The Forge people are overrunning the battlements.

They'd rather put out a sourcebook on genderspecial prom rather than do something cool like buff martial classes.

They'd rather just rape old settings and blacklist all the old guard than come up with anything new.

Fucking.

Done.

I know it isn't much, and kind of screaming into the void, but I said fuck it and nuked my TTRPG accounts on forums and the like. I'm not buying any new stuff, not even as a gift for my friends and family who play, and will advise them to just stick to older editions.

They don't get one more red cent. Not one. No support, no recommendations, no input, no nothing.

Here's some advice for any of you planning or trying to get into the TTRPG industry, be it joining a 3rd party publisher, one of the alternate publishers, or trying to get with one of the mainline companies.

Don't. Just... don't.

If you think gamedevs are fucking autistic weirdos and a pain in the ass, they've got nothing on the neurotic messes that are TTRPG developers. You've got motherfuckers waving the male feminist flag that I wouldn't trust alone with a Raggedy Anne doll pulled from a garbage can. You've got women that hide behind being a woman in gaming to hide complete incompetence and toxic personalities. You've got people with the 'usual suspects' on speed dial to help do the whisper and twitter networks against anything that gets popular that isn't touching the danegeld of paying off troons and SJW dangerhairs with positions that just let them collect a paycheck.

If something gets popular, there is ALWAYS at least one person that thinks that their contribution and their contribution alone is what made the product great. They demand more of the cut, then when you refuse, they demand their IP back and throw a fit if you tap the 'all submissions, accepted or rejected, are property of [COMPANY] LLC' and tell them they gave up any ownership. When that happens, they take to Twitter, FB, and the whisper networks to push all kinds of dumb shit. You've got the hangerons who demand their cut for good reviews or to keep from using their 'review bomb networks' on shit. You have obvious competitors allowed to use their company accounts and personal accounts to review bomb shit.

It's full of grand-standing and narcassistic assholes that are worse than a crab bucket.

So, fuck this.

I'm out.

I know, I know, mad on the internet. Except I'm not mad.

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I wouldn't say I'm done, but I'm pretty much done. But in my case that's more because I'm realizing just how much better the older stuff was, and has the advantage of 30-50 years of wisdom from people trying to sand down the rough bits and how that turned out. Wizards might get a few more bucks out of me for 2eAD&D, but likely I'm going to be looking for other systems to homebew.

Also I do enjoy when they say fuck novels and comics and games, but leave off podcasts. Especially with all the Critical Role source books they're bringing out.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Welp, that's it.

Crazy Uncle Johnny's out of the RPG game.

Fuck 'em.

Everyone's bending the knee, kissing the girlcock ring, and then telling me to take my turn.

They've decided to destroy 40 years of canon with their genderspecial bullshit from bandwagon jumpers who are trying to push out everyone who, you know, kept these hobbies afloat for the 35+ years before they saw Big Bang Theory and Critical Role.

They're busy telling everyone that what they enjoyed is stupid.

The Forge people are overrunning the battlements.

They'd rather put out a sourcebook on genderspecial prom rather than do something cool like buff martial classes.

They'd rather just rape old settings and blacklist all the old guard than come up with anything new.

Fucking.

Done.

I know it isn't much, and kind of screaming into the void, but I said fuck it and nuked my TTRPG accounts on forums and the like. I'm not buying any new stuff, not even as a gift for my friends and family who play, and will advise them to just stick to older editions.

They don't get one more red cent. Not one. No support, no recommendations, no input, no nothing.

Here's some advice for any of you planning or trying to get into the TTRPG industry, be it joining a 3rd party publisher, one of the alternate publishers, or trying to get with one of the mainline companies.

Don't. Just... don't.

If you think gamedevs are fucking autistic weirdos and a pain in the ass, they've got nothing on the neurotic messes that are TTRPG developers. You've got motherfuckers waving the male feminist flag that I wouldn't trust alone with a Raggedy Anne doll pulled from a garbage can. You've got women that hide behind being a woman in gaming to hide complete incompetence and toxic personalities. You've got people with the 'usual suspects' on speed dial to help do the whisper and twitter networks against anything that gets popular that isn't touching the danegeld of paying off troons and SJW dangerhairs with positions that just let them collect a paycheck.

If something gets popular, there is ALWAYS at least one person that thinks that their contribution and their contribution alone is what made the product great. They demand more of the cut, then when you refuse, they demand their IP back and throw a fit if you tap the 'all submissions, accepted or rejected, are property of [COMPANY] LLC' and tell them they gave up any ownership. When that happens, they take to Twitter, FB, and the whisper networks to push all kinds of dumb shit. You've got the hangerons who demand their cut for good reviews or to keep from using their 'review bomb networks' on shit. You have obvious competitors allowed to use their company accounts and personal accounts to review bomb shit.

It's full of grand-standing and narcassistic assholes that are worse than a crab bucket.

So, fuck this.

I'm out.

I know, I know, mad on the internet. Except I'm not mad.

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One word, dude: piracy.

They don't want my money, fine. They won't get my money.

But it won't stop me from stealing their shit and modifying it as I need to.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Also, how the shit do you have Jungle Drow? I mean, I don't know how the Drow could be racist given I don't know of any real human races that live underground and worship a spider goddess. But then you went and put them in the literal fucking jungle, holy hell, talk about about racist.

Sooo...other things Eberron did.

Not only were the drow jungle dwellers but the giants who used to rule the jungle continent actually used to keep elves as slaves. Just to double down on the analogy.
However it was interestingly done and we also got scorpion versions of driders out of the setting.

 

[wetcarpet]

So who here plays these? Some of us here on the forums have a D&D game, I also play Pathfinder on weekends and this weekend we will be playing Call of Cthulhu. I might post some stories later.

Just came across this post (sorry I'm so late), but do y'all still get together?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I don't have the time currently to play anything since the twins were born. The hour I get here or there for free time I spend working on my CoC campaign.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

So some good news for /tg pdf share thread. Current place to share files is Mega.nz and they're only keeping files up for 48 hours. Similar to Vola. This makes it a little harder for people to DMCA files which is extremely easy to do with Mega as they don't care who sends the DMCA notice. They'll get rid of the account. I haven't herd of any permanent location yet though.

 

[knightlautrec]

Sooo...other things Eberron did.

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Not only were the drow jungle dwellers but the giants who used to rule the jungle continent actually used to keep elves as slaves. Just to double down on the analogy.
However it was interestingly done and we also got scorpion versions of driders out of the setting.

I knew jungle drow was something they had done before! Thank you! I feel vindicated.

Also original Ebberon fucking rocks as a setting and I only played that awful original DnD Online because it was Ebberon.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I knew jungle drow was something they had done before! Thank you! I feel vindicated.

Also original Ebberon fucking rocks as a setting and I only played that awful original DnD Online because it was Ebberon.

Yep, they 100% did it. The drow also were not as default evil aligned and indeed had a spread of cultures similar to what they seem to be planning for the rewrite.

The default drow are more of a tribal culture and worship a scorpion god that may be a form of one of the evil gods of the setting. Despite that they are not as default evil. The next lot kind of follow some of the lessons of their giant masters, believing it will lead them to a better class of afterlife, and may have been the original source of the elemental binding magic found through much of the setting. The last ones are maybe the closest to the original ones being dwellers in the underground realm of Khyber and big into dark magics though in their case these are literal dark magics and I think might be the source of shadowcaster magic (might have the name wrong, the one in Tome of Magic) in setting. They're also getting their assess kicked in setting because aberrations have been in the down under longer and are a bigger metaplot threat.

And yes it does.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Yep, they 100% did it. The drow also were not as default evil aligned and indeed had a spread of cultures similar to what they seem to be planning for the rewrite.

The default drow are more of a tribal culture and worship a scorpion god that may be a form of one of the evil gods of the setting. Despite that they are not as default evil. The next lot kind of follow some of the lessons of their giant masters, believing it will lead them to a better class of afterlife, and may have been the original source of the elemental binding magic found through much of the setting. The last ones are maybe the closest to the original ones being dwellers in the underground realm of Khyber and big into dark magics though in their case these are literal dark magics and I think might be the source of shadowcaster magic (might have the name wrong, the one in Tome of Magic) in setting. They're also getting their assess kicked in setting because aberrations have been in the down under longer and are a bigger metaplot threat.

And yes it does.

Nothing was default evil or good in Eberron. That's why I'm so irked with the whole WotC 'look how diverse and sensitive we are' line of bullshit where 'oh orcs and drow aren't always evil'.

One, Eberron already did that, and better.
Two, a GM can do what the fuck he wants. He can make orcs like fire-aspected oni-kin. He can make them like World of Warcraft orcs. Or he can make them something like 40k orcs where they're not really people or even alive.

The faggotry is real and even worse, it's not even fucking competent.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I can only think of two worlds where races were hardcoded with alignments, Oerth and Abeir-Toril (which by the way, also has an Africa like continent where humans first appeared). That's because the gods mean more in those two worlds and have more of a hands on approach with their followers and the world as a whole more consistently (unlike in the Dragonlance series where you get a war every so often, or the gods leaving because Chaos decided to destroy everything because the gods of that world are huge fuck ups).

If you weren't part of the status quo you were hunted down like Drizzt and Liriel, that also meant you have to follow the one god of their species (Lloth for the Drow), or be executed or worse. Orc never got much love in novels due to their low intellect. The smart ones tend to set up Hordes every few decades. I can think of at least one tribe that were more civilized and that's the Too Many Arrows tribe and why is that? This is due to WotC slowly making their races neutral so that Evil doesn't truly exist. That shit started in 2008 just as 4th Edition was hitting store shelves.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Nothing was default evil or good in Eberron. That's why I'm so irked with the whole WotC 'look how diverse and sensitive we are' line of bullshit where 'oh orcs and drow aren't always evil'.

One, Eberron already did that, and better.
Two, a GM can do what the fuck he wants. He can make orcs like fire-aspected oni-kin. He can make them like World of Warcraft orcs. Or he can make them something like 40k orcs where they're not really people or even alive.

The faggotry is real and even worse, it's not even fucking competent.

I personally don't like Eberron, I feel it tried too hard to be "unique" and stopped feeling like D&D. And that was in 3.5e, back when "feeling like D&D" was important. But I won't call it a bad setting. It's just a setting I don't like.

But Eberron has one big problem: it never caught on. There are a few people who love Eberron, but despite a couple big pushes to make it a flagship product it could never compete against Forgotten Realms. If even an old and established setting like Greyhawk, which was picked to be the default setting for 3.5e and therefore something everybody should be familiar with at least in passing (and which I personally think is easier for beginners to grasp), couldn't beat Forgotten Realms, a "quirky" newcomer like Eberron didn't stand a chance. The Realms are just that popular, even if you discount every other reason for its popularity, simply due to inertia.

Make no mistake, the guys ordering all these changes to established settings, characters and races would want nothing more than to drop Forgotten Realms like a hot potato and go all-in on a new setting they could build up from scratch following their current "standards" for acceptable content. Maybe even buy the rights to Critical Role's Tal'Dorei setting, just to capitalize on CR's status as introductory content for D&D. But they can't do it yet. They can't drop Forgotten Realms, it's too popular for it, so instead they'll just continue butchering the setting until its mangled corpse more or less fits inside the case they want to display it in.