US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[X Prime]

Uh, isn't Empire widely considered the best Star Wars movie?

 

[Jordi El Nino Polla]

Uh, isn't Empire widely considered the best Star Wars movie?

It is a masterpiece.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

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Mark, will you shut the fuck up. Literally no one cares about you, stop trying to be relevant.

 

[tehpope]

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Just STFU Hamill.

 

[JohnDoe]

Mark, will you shut the fuck up. Literally no one cares about you, stop trying to be relevant.

And to think how inspiring his portrayal of a hero was to multiple generations, all ruined by TDS. Disgusting.

 

[Compositesludge]

No but MAGA/Right Wing/Conservative is.

1-3 - the 2016 election.
4 - "deplorables".
5 - Facebook and Twitter doing the bidding of the government openly to erase anything against the narrative, "report your friends and family for wrongthink", etc.
6 - Look around you, look at the media, look at the ADLol.
7 - You are here.

Hmm. All right, so here's how I'm looking at things.

Step One, Classification: Everybody gets classified innately as a part of how society operates. The second "Democrat" and "Republican" existed as labels was the moment that this happened. The big thing about this step is that there must not exist a cultural connection between the two. So if you hear rhetoric about one group being "un" or "anti" American for vaguely defined reasons, watch out, but we're not at the point where this could credibly be considered a step toward genocide. The 2016 (and 2020) election(s) were definitely caustic, but we haven't hit this point.

Step Two, Symbolization: See above. The closest thing I can think of for this would be the creation/implementation of vaccine cards, but you could also argue the same thing about social security numbers or, say, needing to make an account to discuss something on an online forum. Much like step one, there's a lot to be concerned about when it comes to people applying this vaguely. Just because you're unpopular doesn't mean you're being dehumanized in a way that would promote genocide.

Step Three, Discrimination: This hasn't happened at a national level. You're still capable of petitioning the government for a redress of grievances, and while some political actors have more of a claim than others (I'm thinking of Russell Greer's PAC here), I'm not seeing anything explicitly barring conservatives from seeking protection from discrimination. (You may also want to rethink this considering how a majority of the highest court in the land identifies as conservative.)

Step Four, Dehumanization: I've heard this argued about "soy boys" and "antifa" before. I'd argue that this is a sign of unfortunate political polarization rather than an attempt to create concentration camps.

Step Five, Organization: The stuff we're seeing with section 230 and Facebook is worrying! However, it's worrying in a very different way from what genocide entails. Gregory H Stanton's writings on the subject are particularly illuminating here:

Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility. (An example is the Sudanese government’s support and arming of the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants during Indian partition) or decentralized (jihadist terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Arms are purchased by states and militias, often in violation of UN Arms Embargos, to facilitate acts of genocide. States organize secret police to spy on, arrest, torture, and murder people suspected of opposition to political leaders. Special training is given to murderous militias and special army killing units.

When I read this, I think about the Muslim Surveillance Program before I think about anything more contemporary. (Although evidently Tucker Carlson's claiming that the government did something with regards to his recent encounter with a heckler? Does anybody have more information on that?) Yes, Facebook and Twitter are private companies who censor voices and are subject to political whims, and that's a problem we should confront sooner rather than later, but they aren't complicit in any domestic genocidal acts.

Step Six, Polarization: This inarguably is happening in the United States. Anybody who claims it isn't is lying to you or trying to sell something to you, and probably deserves their own thread if they double down on it enough. But it's not happening in line with explicit, nationally directed attempts to exterminate populations. And wouldn't this be easy now? Just withhold vaccines and medical support from red states. Heck, this has arguably already happened!

Step Seven, Preparation: I haven't seen President Biden call for a final solution to the conservative problem yet, and I'm sure Senator Manchin wouldn't be an ardent supporter.

And evidently we're not at steps eight through ten yet so I'll stop at seven. The thing is, with some of the steps leading up to genocide, they're bits and pieces of what we consider inherent to our modern system. Nobody's demanding that we stop calling ourselves Republicans or Democrats because that might lead to genocide. Everybody's supposed to get a driver's license, that doesn't symbolize anything. And fiery political attacks against the other major political wing are bog standard for all politicians. I understand that we live in frightening times. It's good to have a community that will support and protect you, inarguably so. But while polarization has hit a point where some of us are considering violence against one another, it's nowhere near as bad as conditions in, say, Rwanda circa 1994 or Germany circa 1941. It's important to see the parallels and do our part to prevent things from getting that bad, and only by understanding what happened and how things developed can we uphold our promises to never forget and to never again another genocide and/or Holocaust to occur.

 

[Jaimas]

Hmm. All right, so here's how I'm looking at things.

Step One, Classification: Everybody gets classified innately as a part of how society operates. The second "Democrat" and "Republican" existed as labels was the moment that this happened. The big thing about this step is that there must not exist a cultural connection between the two. So if you hear rhetoric about one group being "un" or "anti" American for vaguely defined reasons, watch out, but we're not at the point where this could credibly be considered a step toward genocide. The 2016 (and 2020) election(s) were definitely caustic, but we haven't hit this point.

Step Two, Symbolization: See above. The closest thing I can think of for this would be the creation/implementation of vaccine cards, but you could also argue the same thing about social security numbers or, say, needing to make an account to discuss something on an online forum. Much like step one, there's a lot to be concerned about when it comes to people applying this vaguely. Just because you're unpopular doesn't mean you're being dehumanized in a way that would promote genocide.

Step Three, Discrimination: This hasn't happened at a national level. You're still capable of petitioning the government for a redress of grievances, and while some political actors have more of a claim than others (I'm thinking of Russell Greer's PAC here), I'm not seeing anything explicitly barring conservatives from seeking protection from discrimination. (You may also want to rethink this considering how a majority of the highest court in the land identifies as conservative.)

Step Four, Dehumanization: I've heard this argued about "soy boys" and "antifa" before. I'd argue that this is a sign of unfortunate political polarization rather than an attempt to create concentration camps.

Step Five, Organization: The stuff we're seeing with section 230 and Facebook is worrying! However, it's worrying in a very different way from what genocide entails. Gregory H Stanton's writings on the subject are particularly illuminating here:



When I read this, I think about the Muslim Surveillance Program before I think about anything more contemporary. (Although evidently Tucker Carlson's claiming that the government did something with regards to his recent encounter with a heckler? Does anybody have more information on that?) Yes, Facebook and Twitter are private companies who censor voices and are subject to political whims, and that's a problem we should confront sooner rather than later, but they aren't complicit in any domestic genocidal acts.

Step Six, Polarization: This inarguably is happening in the United States. Anybody who claims it isn't is lying to you or trying to sell something to you, and probably deserves their own thread if they double down on it enough. But it's not happening in line with explicit, nationally directed attempts to exterminate populations. And wouldn't this be easy now? Just withhold vaccines and medical support from red states. Heck, this has arguably already happened!

Step Seven, Preparation: I haven't seen President Biden call for a final solution to the conservative problem yet, and I'm sure Senator Manchin wouldn't be an ardent supporter.

And evidently we're not at steps eight through ten yet so I'll stop at seven. The thing is, with some of the steps leading up to genocide, they're bits and pieces of what we consider inherent to our modern system. Nobody's demanding that we stop calling ourselves Republicans or Democrats because that might lead to genocide. Everybody's supposed to get a driver's license, that doesn't symbolize anything. And fiery political attacks against the other major political wing are bog standard for all politicians. I understand that we live in frightening times. It's good to have a community that will support and protect you, inarguably so. But while polarization has hit a point where some of us are considering violence against one another, it's nowhere near as bad as conditions in, say, Rwanda circa 1994 or Germany circa 1941. It's important to see the parallels and do our part to prevent things from getting that bad, and only by understanding what happened and how things developed can we uphold our promises to never forget and to never again another genocide and/or Holocaust to occur.

It helps that the administration that's behind this is the same one that has had at least three gigantic fucking embarassments per week since it got in office and has all the credibility of a fucking Vox journalist.

 

[Compositesludge]

It helps that the administration that's behind this is the same one that has had at least three gigantic fucking embarassments per week since it got in office and has all the credibility of a fucking Vox journalist.

This too! One good thing about our polarization is that any serious attempt to foment genocide is gonna lead to a civil war. The day Biden tries it will be the day he's 25thed, and God willing nobody's going to try it. As always, stay vigilant, and don't be afraid to call it out when you see it. The first line of defense against genocide is us.

 

[CrentistMcMahon]

Step Seven, Preparation: I haven't seen President Biden call for a final solution to the conservative problem yet, and I'm sure Senator Manchin wouldn't be an ardent supporter.

Hitler never called for a final solution to the Jewish problem.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1419748944394035204

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1419749560575004673

 

[MrJokerRager]

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The sequel was originally was supposed to be Revenge of the Jedi and had a different planned story ending, which all got fucked up when they brought in a different director that gave us the fucking ewoks.

I guess kind of like the 2020 election.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Hmm. All right, so here's how I'm looking at things.

Step One, Classification: Everybody gets classified innately as a part of how society operates. The second "Democrat" and "Republican" existed as labels was the moment that this happened. The big thing about this step is that there must not exist a cultural connection between the two. So if you hear rhetoric about one group being "un" or "anti" American for vaguely defined reasons, watch out, but we're not at the point where this could credibly be considered a step toward genocide. The 2016 (and 2020) election(s) were definitely caustic, but we haven't hit this point.

Step Two, Symbolization: See above. The closest thing I can think of for this would be the creation/implementation of vaccine cards, but you could also argue the same thing about social security numbers or, say, needing to make an account to discuss something on an online forum. Much like step one, there's a lot to be concerned about when it comes to people applying this vaguely. Just because you're unpopular doesn't mean you're being dehumanized in a way that would promote genocide.

Step Three, Discrimination: This hasn't happened at a national level. You're still capable of petitioning the government for a redress of grievances, and while some political actors have more of a claim than others (I'm thinking of Russell Greer's PAC here), I'm not seeing anything explicitly barring conservatives from seeking protection from discrimination. (You may also want to rethink this considering how a majority of the highest court in the land identifies as conservative.)

Step Four, Dehumanization: I've heard this argued about "soy boys" and "antifa" before. I'd argue that this is a sign of unfortunate political polarization rather than an attempt to create concentration camps.

Step Five, Organization: The stuff we're seeing with section 230 and Facebook is worrying! However, it's worrying in a very different way from what genocide entails. Gregory H Stanton's writings on the subject are particularly illuminating here:



When I read this, I think about the Muslim Surveillance Program before I think about anything more contemporary. (Although evidently Tucker Carlson's claiming that the government did something with regards to his recent encounter with a heckler? Does anybody have more information on that?) Yes, Facebook and Twitter are private companies who censor voices and are subject to political whims, and that's a problem we should confront sooner rather than later, but they aren't complicit in any domestic genocidal acts.

Step Six, Polarization: This inarguably is happening in the United States. Anybody who claims it isn't is lying to you or trying to sell something to you, and probably deserves their own thread if they double down on it enough. But it's not happening in line with explicit, nationally directed attempts to exterminate populations. And wouldn't this be easy now? Just withhold vaccines and medical support from red states. Heck, this has arguably already happened!

Step Seven, Preparation: I haven't seen President Biden call for a final solution to the conservative problem yet, and I'm sure Senator Manchin wouldn't be an ardent supporter.

And evidently we're not at steps eight through ten yet so I'll stop at seven. The thing is, with some of the steps leading up to genocide, they're bits and pieces of what we consider inherent to our modern system. Nobody's demanding that we stop calling ourselves Republicans or Democrats because that might lead to genocide. Everybody's supposed to get a driver's license, that doesn't symbolize anything. And fiery political attacks against the other major political wing are bog standard for all politicians. I understand that we live in frightening times. It's good to have a community that will support and protect you, inarguably so. But while polarization has hit a point where some of us are considering violence against one another, it's nowhere near as bad as conditions in, say, Rwanda circa 1994 or Germany circa 1941. It's important to see the parallels and do our part to prevent things from getting that bad, and only by understanding what happened and how things developed can we uphold our promises to never forget and to never again another genocide and/or Holocaust to occur.

Very true, it can be read multiple ways. I just dropped the first thing in mind, your take has me thinking.

 

[Compositesludge]

Hitler never called for a final solution to the Jewish problem.

Technically true! It's more that he was entirely okay with the people under him doing everything they could to find a "complete solution of the Jewish question."

On July 17, 1941, four weeks after the invasion of the Soviet Union, Hitler tasked SS chief Heinrich Himmler with responsibility for all security matters in the occupied Soviet Union. Hitler gave Himmler broad authority to physically eliminate any perceived threats to permanent German rule. Two weeks later, on July 31, 1941, Nazi leader Hermann Goering authorized SS General Reinhard Heydrich to make preparations for the implementation of a "complete solution of the Jewish question."

So I suppose my hypothetical example would be more like General Milley calling for it, and President Biden accepting and committing to it.

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

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Well of course Mark would shill for Biden.

They both have loser sons who may or may not have fathered bastards they pretend don't exist.

 

[BubbleButt]

Mark, will you shut the fuck up. Literally no one cares about you, stop trying to be relevant.

I care about him forcing his son's girlfriend to have an abortion.

 

[LaxerBRO]

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Mr. Hamil,

Do you think that it was courageous to drone strike an American teenager?

 

[Compositesludge]

Very true, it can be read multiple ways. I just dropped the first thing in mind, your take has me thinking.

I agree! And I'm sorry if I presented myself like I was attacking you for posting your information. I'm still working on having a less caustic tone, and I'm not sure how successful I am. And in all honesty, I can't say that I'm objectively correct or the end all be all - I was, for example, outright wrong about Hitler calling for the Final Solution. It's a complicated subject, and all I can say for sure is that nobody has the right to make you feel bad for wanting to keep yourself safe.

 

[Confused Doggo]

The sequel was originally was supposed to be Revenge of the Jedi and had a different planned story ending, which all got fucked up when they brought in a different director that gave us the fucking ewoks.

I guess kind of like the 2020 election.

Not a 1:1 though; the originally planned ending fight with the emperor (with Yoda and Ben coming to help Luke with the fight) sounds a bit shit. Also gives Vader the shaft.

I care about him forcing his son's girlfriend to have an abortion.

Cougared by a few seconds. Though I knew he tried, I didn't know he suceeded.

 

[Gehenna]

@Gehenna your thoughts on Baris and Barnes?

I find them pretty informative other than the once in a while simping for Israel.

Solid analysts, a bit ideologically blinded, their publicness is itself a risk though since it can lead to a surplus of arrogance that eventually the skill can't match.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

I agree! And I'm sorry if I presented myself like I was attacking you for posting your information. I'm still working on having a less caustic tone, and I'm not sure how successful I am. And in all honesty, I can't say that I'm objectively correct or the end all be all - I was, for example, outright wrong about Hitler calling for the Final Solution. It's a complicated subject, and all I can say for sure is that nobody has the right to make you feel bad for wanting to keep yourself safe.

Oh no, it wasn't caustic in the least imo. Like I said, I just went with the most current and quickest example so I appreciate a deeper take.