I mean, even in case of someone like Zen, while I can't get into them because of just how shit the TTS setup works, on top of the risk of them doing a Mana and sperging about politics, I can at least understand why someone would like them. The physical jokes with the model do work IMO, and they're not that common to see out there, even if it is basically a necessity to make up for lost ground with the TTS. Also, kudos for at least working towards those massive collabs, if that part's true. Definitely not a fan of Zen, but I can see why someone would be. In comparison, what does Artemis even have?