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A mask comeback is not enough to sway Trump voters: It's time to start imposing vaccine mandates​

Coddling and cajoling the Trumpers isn't working: Mandates give them a chance to save face while avoiding COVID​

By AMANDA MARCOTTE

PUBLISHED JULY 27, 2021 12:59PM (EDT)​

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Vaccinated America is fed up with the unvaccinated, and the mainstream media is finally starting to pay attention.

"As Virus Cases Rise, Another Contagion Spreads Among the Vaccinated: Anger," declares a Tuesday morning New York Times headline. "'Patience has worn thin': Frustration mounts over vaccine holdouts," read a similar headline from Friday's Washington Post.

This anger is completely understandable. While some vaccine holdouts are people who are sincerely scared or misled by misinformation, people are noticing both the geography showing hotspots are in Republican-heavy areas and polls showing the stark partisan divide on inoculation. Vaccinated Americans lived through the past year, including Donald Trump's failed coup and the pandemic surging due to Republican disinformation. They know full well that it's Republicans who are refusing vaccines and that they're doing it out of pure spite. Of course, vaccinated Americans are angry. They should be angry.

Yet even though Republicans are operating out of spite so pure that they'll risk their own health just to "own the liberals," the rest of us are being scolded to be endlessly gentle, placating, and understanding of them, most recently in a widely panned Washington Post column by Gary Abernathy. So with COVID-19 cases rising and Republicans continuing to run interference for Trump after he tried to overturn our democracy, skepticism mounts for the theory that just a little more hand-holding and hair-stroking is going to bring these people back to reason.

"[E]nough with the bogus Snowflake Syndrome narratives already," Greg Sargent of the Washington Post wrote in a rebuttal to the calls for more coddling.

The problem is that these calls for sympathy and accommodation only flow one way. Liberals are expected to do all the sacrificing, on the grounds that they have the capacity for empathy, and nothing is asked of conservatives.

This deep and persistent unfairness is now starting to crop up in public health responses to rising COVID-19 cases. Los Angeles has re-imposed a mask mandate, even though science guiding the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) shows vaccinated people are safe to go without. (As President Joe Biden's top health advisor, Dr. Anthony Fauci said in May, science shows vaccinated people "become a dead end to the virus.") Now the CDC is backtracking a bit, recommending all people wear masks inside in some parts of the country, as the delta variant spreads. Other cities are considering similar mandates or are already putting forward "mask recommendations."

These new mask mandates and recommendations are less about threats from vaccinated people and much more about unvaccinated people being free riders running around without masks. Unfortunately, the result is that vaccinated people must endure a minor but very real inconvenience in order to protect the unvaccinated from their own bad decisions. Helaine Olen of the Washington Post rightfully criticized Los Angeles County, pointing out that, "instead of punishing the people who did it right, give them positive reinforcement, while making it clear to the wrongdoers their actions come with consequences — for themselves."

In other words: Forget the mask mandates. Time instead for vaccine mandates.

To begin with, vaccines simply work better than masks. Masks work, but inadequately, as demonstrated by the 200,000-plus cases a day in January, when mask mandates were standard. Vaccines, however, work really well, which is why case rates started to plunge in the spring as vaccine rates went up. As CDC director Rochelle Walensky said earlier this month, this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Just as importantly, vaccine mandates work, which is why, prior to COVID-19, they have been widespread and, outside of the complaints of a minority of anti-vaccination people, broadly popular. Diseases like measles, whooping cough, and polio that were once common are now incredibly rare due to vaccine mandates.

It's a peculiar trick of human psychology, but often small but certain frustrations better motivate people to make better decisions than the threat of disease and death. For instance, bans on indoor smoking led to a decline in smoking rates, suggesting that at least some people who were unmoved by fears of lung cancer were stopped by the inconvenience of having to step outside to smoke. The threat of dying horribly in a car accident didn't convince many people to wear seatbelts, but the threat of getting a ticket caused them to buckle up, saving lives.

A lot of people are able to convince themselves they're safe from the worst consequences of bad choices. Consider podcast host Joe Rogan telling his audience that a "healthy person" is safe from COVID-19. It's the kind of logic that right-wing anti-vaxxers are using to justify their choice to skip the shot to spite the left. But if they couldn't board a plane or go to their favorite bar or attend a child's wedding or they had to get a Q-tip shoved up their nose every day to go to work? Well, that inconvenience might be enough to convince them that this particular Trumpist tantrum isn't worth it.

Frank Luntz, a Republican pollster who has been focused heavily on researching anti-vaccine Republicans in recent months, recently reaffirmed that vaccine mandates, not coddling, is what refusers need in order to get the shot.
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There's been hesitation on the part of the Biden White House to push more aggressively for mandates, out of fear of seeing a repeat of some of the protests from last year, when right-wingers flipped out over lockdowns and mask mandates. No doubt that such protests would happen, just as they happened in France after French President Emmanuel Macron announced plans for vaccine mandates for travel, eating out, and other use of public areas. But while 160,000 people protested the mandates in France, far more — over 4 million people — finally sucked it up and got shot appointments.

The politics are different in the U.S., where refusing vaccination has become an identity marker for conservatives. Still, there's a good reason to believe that there'd be a similarly high ratio of people who quietly get vaccinated to people who protest. After all, what vaccine mandates would do is give Republicans a way to save face. No doubt many of them are harboring secret worries about getting COVID-19, but they keep refusing to get the shot, out of the perception that doing so would be disloyal to the conservative cause. But if they were "forced" to, they could have it both ways. They could both get the protection while still claiming to oppose the vaccine in the abstract. It's a win-win for most conservatives, even if they would publicly whine about it. (And, in fact, having something to whine about is a bonus for them!) It's the same dynamic we see with taxes — conservatives pay them and then get the pleasure of complaining about it.

There are some legal complications to mandates, of course, as Biden doesn't have the official powers to impose a nationwide mandate. But as Max Boot of the Washington Post pointed out, "Biden can set an example by using his authority to mandate vaccinations for airline travel and Amtrak travel and for federal employees or those who enter federal buildings," as well as "issue an executive order mandating military vaccinations as a national security priority." This would help normalize mandates, making it easier for state and local governments, as well as businesses, to require vaccines for people to work, be customers, or simply enter public spaces.

This week, there were baby steps in the right direction.

On Monday, the Department of Veterans Affairs announced that front-line workers would be required to vaccinate. The states of New York and California are imposing similar mandates on employees, as did the Mayo Clinic. And the rising anger from vaccinated people is starting to be heard. It's time for political and business leaders to start rewarding people who did the right thing, instead of bending over backward to accommodate people who are refusing basic medical care to spite the rest of us. The good news is that a decentralized approach to vaccine mandates would be much harder for conservatives to rage against, since the targets would be diffuse. Right now, too many places are operating in photonegative space from common sense, imposing on those who did the right thing while coddling those who refuse to do the bare minimum. It's time to shift gears and start embracing the basic principle of rewards for good behavior, frustrations and consequences for bad behavior. It's time for vaccine mandates.
 
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First they came for the White Supremacists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a racist.

Then they came for the anti-covid vaxers, and I did not speak out, because I got my vaccine.

Then they came for the Republicans, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Republican.

Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me.
 
The black population is by far the least vaccinated and the most resistant to pro-vax efforts. Solve that and then we can talk about your one size fits all policy bullshit.
Yep. Have fun trying to convince that black community that the government should just inject medications into them no questions asked.

 
I can't decide whether these people just don't realize, or if they simply don't care that the more they beat this drum, the more hesitant they make people like myself to even consider taking the jab.

There was actually a period after the initial rounds of vax started going out where I thought to myself that maybe if it was convenient enough and people weren't dying off en masse I might go ahead and get it, because while I don't think it's particularly safe or effective I also didn't think it's the mark of the beast or some shit like that.
The period of that style of thinking has long since faded away. Every time I see another article like this from some high minded, self righteous "journalist" trying to take a moral high ground and lecture people about this shit, when this isn't even a vaccine that a non-pozzed FDA was willing to give its stamp of approval to this quickly, shielding the makers from any liability or responsibility, it makes me more resolved in my stance.
I'm not going to shit up the thread with my own theories of what the vaccine is or isn't, I'm just going to state, this "take the jab or else" attitude that has been adopted by the science cult has hardened my resolution to the point where these faggots will have to forcibly hold me down to get me to take that shit in my body. If Jesus Christ told me to take it I might reconsider. But as it is, I simply distrust it, because they have tried pushing this vaccine harder on me, more than any drug dealer ever tried to sales pitch me into buying drugs, they have become so rabidly desperate to push it into people. I cannot bring myself to believe they care about my health or well being that much, I can only suspect they wish for my death and to hasten it.
 
Yep. Have fun trying to convince that black community that the government should just inject medications into them no questions asked.

On top of that, have fun convincing flyover states that it's safe when it comes from the same industry that claimed Oxycontin wasn't addictive.
 
Biden's moving quickly to mandate the jab.


President Joe Biden will announce on Thursday a requirement that all federal employees and contractors be vaccinated against Covid-19, or be required to submit to regular testing and mitigation requirements, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.
The announcement will come in remarks where Biden is also expected to lay out a series of new steps, including incentives, in an attempt to spur new vaccinations as the Delta variant spreads rapidly throughout the country. It will also follow the decision by the Department of Veterans Affairs to require its frontline health care workers to be vaccinated over the course of the next two months.
Biden alluded to the looming announcement on Tuesday.
"That's under consideration right now," Biden said, when asked if he would impose a vaccination mandate on federal workers.
 
On top of that, have fun convincing flyover states that it's safe when it comes from the same industry that claimed Oxycontin wasn't addictive.
You know, that is actually a great point that they apparently haven't even given mind to.
Trump already got the vax and told his followers to get the jab, yet as every one of these articles loves to beat us over the head with, a lot of vax hesitant areas are "Trump country"
Gee, what a coincidence that "Trump country" as they identify it lines up almost 1:1 with "places with large rural populations that were utterly ravaged by the opioid epidemic which was kickstarted by the pharmaceutical industry under the allowance of a corrupt administration"
 
Biden's moving quickly to mandate the jab.

Poll numbers must have came in.

The US will be under mask mandates for as long as needed to force mail in voting and ballot harvesting for 2022. Expect even further expansion of the government and spending under the guise of Co-Vid response.

Shit is about to get Soviet Tier
 
But if they couldn't board a plane
Most don't travel that often.
or go to their favorite bar
Biden cannot mandate that. It's in the hands of the local health department and business owner.
Who is going to check?
You mean like drug tests that are considered hours worked? Where the employer has to pay for the test too?

I have to mention that thier needs to be a proper scientific basis to daily testing and the employer is responsible for any harm.

Just by the author's language, we can see that she intends on use testing to inconvenience or harass those into getting a vaccine. That is illegal.
The politics are different in the U.S.,
Why have 300 million guns and too many journalists that are still breathing.
 
What if I want to wait another few months to get a vaccine that will have gone through more testing and be better equipped to deal with the new variants the media is saying are lurking around the corner? Why should I waste my time and money on something that will be out of date in a few months when I could wait for the better version? Either I'm a bad consoomer who deoesn't get enough dopamine rushes from Twitter or I'm not a hack journo living off my family's trust fund whining about how everyone who doesn't think like them is a big meanie.
 
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