🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[booklover]

An incessantly screeching retard isn't a "kid" it's a monster.

Back in my table-waiting days, I'd prefer an incessantly screeching retard over a "karen" who orders something that isn't remotely on the menu, or a drunk, any day of the year.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

It's the life they chose.

The kid in the example has CP. You know that's not something that gets diagnosed before birth, right? And it's not incompatible with life. The only way someone is "choosing" to raise a kid with CP is by declining to suffocate the toddler with a pillow. Plus people with CP alone are intellectually normal, so it's not like you could just leave him home all the time and he'd never know any different. Obviously she needs to take steps to be as non-disruptive as possible, but some vocalizing from someone who has a disability so the can't control the sounds they make, when you're at Olive Garden, is part of the social bargain.

 

[AnOminous]

Obviously she needs to take steps to be as non-disruptive as possible, but some vocalizing from someone who has a disability so the can't control the sounds they make, when you're at Olive Garden, is part of the social bargain.

I'm assuming the person in the OP of this was describing things accurately, and I know that's risky with retarded Karens, but she described people, not just one person, but multiple people, coming up to her and complaining about her tard baby's incessant shrieking. This is not something that happens with normal levels of noise. This is a shrieking demon. And the bitch is obviously okay with this and probably even actually enjoys inflicting this monster on people.

 

[Anstiv]

I'm assuming the person in the OP of this was describing things accurately, and I know that's risky with retarded Karens, but she described people, not just one person, but multiple people, coming up to her and complaining about her tard baby's incessant shrieking. This is not something that happens with normal levels of noise. This is a shrieking demon. And the bitch is obviously okay with this and probably even actually enjoys inflicting this monster on people.

Exactly. The average person's reaction to a kid screaming isn't to confront the parents. Most people grit their teeth and bare through it. Maybe you'll get 1 person who confronts them.

An average restaurant has like 8-20 tables, let's say an Olive Garden has 15. We can presume that if someone goes to confront, they are likely representing the whole table/familiy/party (as it's very unlikely multiple people from the same party will go to confront, as you already have one person representing the party's interests). So if a few means say, 3 or 4, that means 20-30% of the people told you to get the fuck out.

Getting even 10% of people in an room on board with something that breaks strong social norms (like confronting a family and telling them to leave) is hard, but if 20-30% are openly throwing away that social norm to tell you to get the fuck out, maybe you should get the fuck out because your child is an incredible nuisance and you are a massive asshole for bringing them out in public.

Sorry you got stuck with a fucking demon baby, but it's no one else's responsibility to deal with their screaming. You don't have the right to enter into a private space, and if the people tell you to leave then you aren't welcome.

 

[AngelOfNoMercy]

I wonder if the kid is even actually screaming because he's happy and not because hes overstimulated. Wouldn't expect a Warrior Mom to know the difference.

Even if she's telling the truth, she should have called ahead of time to make sure to be seated far away from everyone else so other people aren't disturbed by the noise. But I have a sneaking suspicion the screaming isnt because hes happy, but because hes stressed out and getting sensory overload.

What bothers me is the mom who is mad because someone didn't want to hear her kid scream. I don't want to hear her kid scream through an entire meal Or hear the loud drunk person being an asshole. You can take your kid out but you can't expect everyone to be happy hearing them scream.

 

[Android raptor]

Tbh kids screaming is annoying no matter what kind of kid is doing it, and plenty of perfectly healthy non-disabled kids scream like something unholy they second the enter a building. That's part of why I don't like babies, screaming is pretty much the only thing they do besides projectile shooting bodily waste.

Treat this kid the same way you would a screaming baby. Though like I said, I strongly suspect the screaming is an attempt on the kids part to try and get his retarded mom to stop dragging him to places that are unbearable sensory-wise.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

The kid in the example has CP. You know that's not something that gets diagnosed before birth, right? And it's not incompatible with life. The only way someone is "choosing" to raise a kid with CP is by declining to suffocate the toddler with a pillow. Plus people with CP alone are intellectually normal, so it's not like you could just leave him home all the time and he'd never know any different. Obviously she needs to take steps to be as non-disruptive as possible, but some vocalizing from someone who has a disability so the can't control the sounds they make, when you're at Olive Garden, is part of the social bargain.

But extra conditions like mental retardation are common with CP. No one should assume just bc someone has CP that they are retarded but if the kid is screaming so much everyone wants it to leave, it's probably mentally retarded because it cannot understand it's screaming is disturbing others.

 

[Peaches Demure]

But extra conditions like mental retardation are common with CP. No one should assume just bc someone has CP that they are retarded but if the kid is screaming so much everyone wants it to leave, it's probably mentally retarded because it cannot understand it's screaming is disturbing others.

Cerebral palsy isn't one condition. It literally translates to "palsy (paralysis) that originates in the cerebrum", so it doesn't really specify anything. Sometimes only the motor cortex and/or the parts involved in motor functions are affected. These people tend to have normal IQs but historically they have been thought to be retarded as well because the motor deficits also affect their speech. Other kids with CP that have extensive whole-brain damage are just potatoes that will never advance or learn anything. For example, the Hartley hooligans had CP as a "side diagnosis" but the cause for their condition was genetic.

 

[booklover]

There are actually on average 2-3 babies born with DS in Iceland every year and they have a great quality of life. There just aren’t as many of them thanks to testing and parents who chose not to have a DS child who can never grow up to be independent. Given it’s the responsibility of a parent to care for a child, a have a lifetime commitment to it, it seems very reasonable to let them decide if they want to take that on or not.

In China and India however DS infants do regularly go into the dumpsters.

Here's another report, from 2018.

Global Down Syndrome Foundation Responds To Shocking Report – Shares Translated Prenatal Testing Information With Iceland | Global Down Syndrome Foundation

DENVER | The Global Down Syndrome Foundation announced today that it has translated important prenatal testing information into Icelandic and provided the resource to the Icelandic Down Syndrome Association. The translation is a first step to support the association’s efforts in providing...

www.globaldownsyndrome.org

I was surprised that only 5% of American women have amniocentesis, but then again, it isn't done casually and it is also done for reasons other than prenatal genetic screening (testing the baby's lung maturity in preterm labor, for instance). Also, many people who choose to terminate for fetal abnormality are not doing it because of the baby, but because she is experiencing serious complications that are threatening her own health or life.

Another example: I did not know until recently that Down's pregnancies have a higher than background rate of the most feared pregnancy complication, hyperemesis gravidarum, and in fact HG is considered a risk factor suggesting it. For "normal" babies, it's about 1 in 200, but is common enough in Down's to raise a red flag. And of course, my source had people telling their stories, and exceptions like "I had HG for my two normal children, but for my Down's pregnancy, I never had any morning sickness." There are too many variables.

 

[Jeep1971]

You know there's a multiquote function, right? Click the +Quote button for each you want to do, then down in the message box, there's a button that says "Insert Quotes" that opens an element that shows you the quotes you chose where you can re-order or remove them. Do whatever there, then hit Insert Quotes on that element. Then you can reply to each, all in one message.

Thanks.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Here's another report, from 2018.

Global Down Syndrome Foundation Responds To Shocking Report – Shares Translated Prenatal Testing Information With Iceland | Global Down Syndrome Foundation

DENVER | The Global Down Syndrome Foundation announced today that it has translated important prenatal testing information into Icelandic and provided the resource to the Icelandic Down Syndrome Association. The translation is a first step to support the association’s efforts in providing...

www.globaldownsyndrome.org

I was surprised that only 5% of American women have amniocentesis, but then again, it isn't done casually and it is also done for reasons other than prenatal genetic screening (testing the baby's lung maturity in preterm labor, for instance). Also, many people who choose to terminate for fetal abnormality are not doing it because of the baby, but because she is experiencing serious complications that are threatening her own health or life.

Another example: I did not know until recently that Down's pregnancies have a higher than background rate of the most feared pregnancy complication, hyperemesis gravidarum, and in fact HG is considered a risk factor suggesting it. For "normal" babies, it's about 1 in 200, but is common enough in Down's to raise a red flag. And of course, my source had people telling their stories, and exceptions like "I had HG for my two normal children, but for my Down's pregnancy, I never had any morning sickness." There are too many variables.

Pretty stupid of them to call themselves global ds but didn't already have stuff translated into Icelandic.

• Low Government Funding – Despite being the leading cause of developmental delay in the U.S. and the world, Down syndrome is one of the least funded genetic conditions by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and has been since 2001.

I'm skeptical of this. There are tons of genetic conditions where pretty much nothing is known. As far as I know, DS is one of the best understood genetic conditions.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Pretty stupid of them to call themselves global ds but didn't already have stuff translated into Icelandic.

I'm skeptical of this. There are tons of genetic conditions where pretty much nothing is known. As far as I know, DS is one of the best understood genetic conditions.

Yes and no. I've said this before and I'll say it again, because this is my job: DS has a very high rate of dementia. This is a rather new phenomenon because until somewhat recently, DS adults weren't living long enough for this to be an issue.

But if you ask people if they knew that, most will say no because they dont associate DS with this complication.

 

[booklover]

Considering that only about 300,000 people speak Icelandic, and most of them also speak English and/or other more common languages, I don't think it's unreasonable that their documents weren't fully translated into Icelandic.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Pretty stupid of them to call themselves global ds but didn't already have stuff translated into Icelandic.

Are you being facetious? Almost all Icelanders speak English, as mentioned above, and coupled with the notorious difficulty of learning the Icelandic language, much less of translating technical information about a genetic condition in a way that is understandable for the layperson, this complaint, if genuine, is baffling and seems like one of those lame "but ACKSHYUALLY" arguments people make when they can't come up with a good point. It's akin to the stereotypical deathfat who is upset that an apparel retailer proclaims "size inclusivity" when their clothing stops at size 8X.

If you are indeed being glib, forgive me. I am, ironically, a retard.

Yes and no. I've said this before and I'll say it again, because this is my job: DS has a very high rate of dementia. This is a rther new phenomenon because until somewhat recently, DS adults weren't living long enough for this to be an issue.

Yup. In fact, by age 40, the brains of almost all people with DS show deposits of amyloid beta plaques and neurofibrillary tangles/tau inclusions, which are misshapen variants, or "isoforms", of the same proteins that are found in normal brain tissue. Aggregation of these abnormal isoforms is considered a diagnostic hallmark of Alzheimer-type dementia. By age 60, half of all people with DS will have been diagnosed with Alzheimer disease.

Spoiler: Dementia and DS sperg

Scientists are still working to figure out why dementia happens in DS patients. Of particular interest is a gene called APP, which encodes (or, "gives instructions for the production of") a protein called amyloid precursor protein. The function of this protein is not well understood yet, but it is present on the outside of many types of normal healthy cells, including neurons. The amyloid precursor protein is the molecule that generates both normal amyloid beta polypeptide and the misfolded isoform that comoposes the amyloid plaques in Alzheimer-affected brains.

The APP gene happens to be located on chromosome 21, which is also the chromosome that is duplicated in DS (trisomy 21). So, people with DS have an extra copy of APP, and this appears to give them an extra "dose" of amyloid precursor protein, which affords more chances for misfolding to occur.

Edited for clarity.

 

[KrewlKween]

How the fuck could anyone think this potato is enjoying itself? This is cruel. I'm sure I'm late af though.

 

[SpiceyHuman]

I was surprised that only 5% of American women have amniocentesis

Its fairly invasive, tbh. Also from what I understand, by the end of the first trimester you can do a blood test that tests for downs syndrome and a few other chromosomal issues. If that tests comes back with red flags, then a woman may follow up with an amniocentesis to be sure, but the amniocentesis is generally not the first go to and not done unless needed

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Its fairly invasive, tbh. Also from what I understand, by the end of the first trimester you can do a blood test that tests for downs syndrome and a few other chromosomal issues. If that tests comes back with red flags, then a woman may follow up with an amniocentesis to be sure, but the amniocentesis is generally not the first go to and not done unless needed

They can do the NIPT (dna blood tests) at like 6 weeks now and the newest ones are super accurate. The older generation of blood tests were shitty and gave odds (I.e. you have a 1 in 20 chance on DS) so amnio was the only way to be sure, but these new tests are almost as accurate as amnio.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Are you being facetious? Almost all Icelanders speak English, as mentioned above, and coupled with the notorious difficulty of learning the Icelandic language, much less of translating technical information about a genetic condition in a way that is understandable for the layperson, this complaint, if genuine, is baffling and seems like one of those lame "but ACKSHYUALLY" arguments people make when they can't come up with a good point. It's akin to the stereotypical deathfat who is upset that an apparel retailer proclaims "size inclusivity" when their clothing stops at size 8X.

If you are indeed being glib, forgive me. I am, ironically, a retard.


Yup. In fact, by age 40, the brains of almost all people with DS show deposits of amyloid beta plaques and neurofibrillary tangles/tau inclusions, which are misshapen variants, or "isoforms", of the same proteins that are found in normal brain tissue. Aggregation of these abnormal isoforms is considered a diagnostic hallmark of Alzheimer-type dementia. By age 60, half of all people with DS will have been diagnosed with Alzheimer disease.

Spoiler: Dementia and DS sperg

Scientists are still working to figure out why dementia happens in DS patients. Of particular interest is a gene called APP, which encodes (or, "gives instructions for the production of") a protein called amyloid precursor protein. The function of this protein is not well understood yet, but it is present on the outside of many types of normal healthy cells, including neurons. The amyloid precursor protein is the molecule that generates both normal amyloid beta polypeptide and the misfolded isoform that comoposes the amyloid plaques in Alzheimer-affected brains.

The APP gene happens to be located on chromosome 21, which is also the chromosome that is duplicated in DS (trisomy 21). So, people with DS have an extra copy of APP, and this appears to give them an extra "dose" of amyloid precursor protein, which affords more chances for misfolding to occur.

Edited for clarity.

You know how certain organizations promote certain things? For example right now there is a supposed Alz drug designed to help slow down or halt progression? Yeah well the Alzheimer’s Association of America is doing this. Except where I am and at other associations, we are completely against it. Aside from it costing 56k a year per patient , there really is no evidence to justify it. But to get back on topic..(btw Alz.org is a terrible organization to support)

i have a suspicion that the equivalent to whatever Downs Syndrome (National Association for Downs Syndrome) is, is hiding the dementia/DS link on purpose, because if people really knew those stats they may think twice about wanting a DS baby. Those are absolutely terrifyingly high rates of dementia.

 

[Sparklepants]

Its fairly invasive, tbh. Also from what I understand, by the end of the first trimester you can do a blood test that tests for downs syndrome and a few other chromosomal issues. If that tests comes back with red flags, then a woman may follow up with an amniocentesis to be sure, but the amniocentesis is generally not the first go to and not done unless needed

Plus it has a chance to cause miscarriage, I know some people refuse amnio because they would rather a potato than a dead baby.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

The NIPT is done much earlier and it's a blood test. It will give you a very accurate answer on T21. There's also CVS, which can be completed before the amnio is possible. Amnio is invasive, unpleasant, and does carry a small miscarriage risk, so it's generally used to confirm things suspected because of other signs.