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Not to PL, but I have friends who work in adult group homes and many of the DD clients lived at home with at least one older parent/caregiver until that person died of old age.
They leave behind very confused and heartbroken adult children. Some may not even understand death, they just know their mother is gone. It sucks but it's something people should consider before starting a family.

If you are lucky, there have someone close to the them who does visit. As they get older, this is rarer.

My mother knew someone who moved near the group home her sibling moved into because she could no longer provide the care the sibling needed.

I am not sure how it is everywhere, but where I am one of the things talked about is what should happen if the caregiver dies. What are their and the caretakers wishes are. And there are people who need more care who will not be able to make those decisions.
 
One of my favorite blogs to read is skeptical raptor. I know blogs are not as popular as they used to be but the writers break down medical lies/issues/problems in an understandable way. (The avastin thing reminded me of it-a friend was taking avastin at the time and while I don’t remember if they wrote about it, that’s about when I got hooked on that sort of content.).

There were several in the same vein, including one that focused on medical ethics that helped with the Jahi case, but finding them is hard now since it all seems to be Healthline (haha) and Mayo Clinic -if you want to delve deeper those are not the places to do so.
 
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Not to PL, but I have friends who work in adult group homes and many of the DD clients lived at home with at least one older parent/caregiver until that person died of old age.
They leave behind very confused and heartbroken adult children. Some may not even understand death, they just know their mother is gone. It sucks but it's something people should consider before starting a family.
One day my mom and I saw a very old woman (late 70's at the very youngest) and her adult son that was obviously a tard. It was very sad and we wound up talking about how she must worry about what'll happen to him when she's gone. We felt that the best solution would be to get them in a group home (if at all possible of course) when they're younger so it'll be a lot less shocking for them compared to when they're older. Pre-Covid times families could freely visit so for involved families it's not like they're abandoning their child. Costs aside though for parents/families that care there is a lot of shame involved, and it definitely holds people back, sadly.
 
One day my mom and I saw a very old woman (late 70's at the very youngest) and her adult son that was obviously a tard. It was very sad and we wound up talking about how she must worry about what'll happen to him when she's gone. We felt that the best solution would be to get them in a group home (if at all possible of course) when they're younger so it'll be a lot less shocking for them compared to when they're older. Pre-Covid times families could freely visit so for involved families it's not like they're abandoning their child. Costs aside though for parents/families that care there is a lot of shame involved, and it definitely holds people back, sadly.
He may already be in one, and she took him out for a visit.

The kid in the example has CP. You know that's not something that gets diagnosed before birth, right? And it's not incompatible with life. The only way someone is "choosing" to raise a kid with CP is by declining to suffocate the toddler with a pillow. Plus people with CP alone are intellectually normal, so it's not like you could just leave him home all the time and he'd never know any different. Obviously she needs to take steps to be as non-disruptive as possible, but some vocalizing from someone who has a disability so the can't control the sounds they make, when you're at Olive Garden, is part of the social bargain.
This story is paywalled, but regardless, this woman's mother wrote two best-selling books about her in the 1950s and 1960s. The earlier one is the best-known, and actually may still be in print.


Here's a non-paywalled obit.


She was born 3 months early, weighing less than two pounds, and totally beat the odds by surviving in the first place. Her family knew she was not mentally disabled, and her physical disabilities improved with therapy, and successfully fought to send her to school. Later, her mother founded the precursor to United Cerebral Palsy.
 
She was so funny. She was in the documentary called crip camp. She helped get the frame work in motion as well.
All of the Killilea children kept an extremely low profile as adults. In fact, Gloria lost her two young daughters (and one of little Marie’s) in a house fire. Big Marie’s plan to write a book about the tragedy caused a huge family rift.
 
All of the Killilea children kept an extremely low profile as adults. In fact, Gloria lost her two young daughters (and one of little Marie’s) in a house fire. Big Marie’s plan to write a book about the tragedy caused a huge family rift.
Ah, thank you!

I am not sure how I managed to mix the two of them up.
 
I believe the controversy revolves around the fact that the fda fast tracked it for breast cancer use and then revoked it.

I was referring to the enormous cost versus the extremely modest survival benefit. It's marketed at desperate people, but it's not a curative treatment and will only buy most eligible patients a few miserable weeks.
 
He may already be in one, and she took him out for a visit.


This story is paywalled, but regardless, this woman's mother wrote two best-selling books about her in the 1950s and 1960s. The earlier one is the best-known, and actually may still be in print.


Here's a non-paywalled obit.


She was born 3 months early, weighing less than two pounds, and totally beat the odds by surviving in the first place. Her family knew she was not mentally disabled, and her physical disabilities improved with therapy, and successfully fought to send her to school. Later, her mother founded the precursor to United Cerebral Palsy.
I had a copy of the book "Karen" from my grandparents' house. I remember the part about the institutions vividly. I'm so happy to know she lived to be 80 years old.
 
I had a copy of the book "Karen" from my grandparents' house. I remember the part about the institutions vividly. I'm so happy to know she lived to be 80 years old.
I also vaguely remember that while she never married, two men did ask her, and either of them would have been candidates for marriage, except that they also wanted children, and while her doctors said they saw no reason why she couldn't have them, she didn't think she could safely care for them. Like, what if they ran into the street and she couldn't get to them in time? If she had gotten pregnant, they would have had to be delivered by cesarean section but that's not a huge obstacle any more. Anyway, she felt it was wrong to knowingly deprive good men of something they really wanted.
 
Not to PL, but I have friends who work in adult group homes and many of the DD clients lived at home with at least one older parent/caregiver until that person died of old age.
They leave behind very confused and heartbroken adult children. Some may not even understand death, they just know their mother is gone. It sucks but it's something people should consider before starting a family.


Thank you for clarifying because I did not know that and I'm sure other people don't either. During my childbearing years, the only reliable predictor was Amniocentesis, but it came with more risks.
Fundies like to seize upon those "near miss" stories and use them as half-assed "proof" that "doctors are wrong". It's just more ammo in their efforts to pressure women into having children who are not compatible with life.
This is why I think group homes before parents dying is so important. They can get used to it before the loss of their parents.
 
He may already be in one, and she took him out for a visit.
Doubtful because this was last September, and I know through work that all group homes had all family visits on hold then. To try to prevent their residents from getting Covid, especially since many of them don't understand good hygiene, refuse to wear a mask (sometimes due to lack of understanding), and have medically fragile roommates. It's not entirely impossible, but the majority of families didn't want their family member to have to quarantine in a separate quarantine house for 14 days when possible.
 
Very poor. It's actually quite incredible that he's survived as long as he has. The cause of death in patients like this is often respiratory failure as a result of infection or aspiration pneumonia, or status epilepticus (a constant seizure that cannot be stopped or controlled by medication) which causes cardiac arrest. Also, sometimes patients with epilepsy, even if their seizures are well controlled, just die without apparent cause. It's a phenomenon called Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy Patients (SUDEP), and it actually accounts for 10-20% of all epilepsy-associated deaths. It usually happens during sleep; the person is feeling fine, just goes to bed as usual but never wakes up. At autopsy, there are no indications of a seizure immediately preceding death, and other findings are noncontributory: microscopic abnormalities in brain cells (which is a common finding in all epilepsy patients, not just those who die from SUDEP), pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs), and mild but non-fatal changes in the cells of the heart are the most frequent. It happens, and it happens to people in way better shape than this poor kid. If his ultimate cause of death is epilepsy-related, though, I don't think it could be properly called SUDEP. There's so much other stuff going on with his brain alone that it's not accurate to call it "unexpected". There's a thing called SUDEP+ which accounts for epilepsy patients who do not die of a seizure but have another condition that could have contributed.

Matthew Nel, who died recently, was another child with a similar condition who lived much longer than doctors predicted, despite his best efforts. Mind you, this isn't really a good thing. The quality of life of children affected by such devastating neurological disorders is basically nil. At some point, all of the drastic interventions become something that caregivers are doing to a child, not for them. Matthew tried to die on a near daily basis, and was resuscitated by his parents every time.



Exactly. If they're high functioning enough (which is not at all a given), people with DS are at least aware of the dementia connection. Most will have even watched friends or acquaintances with DS slip away as a result of Alzheimer disease.

Alzheimer disease isn't the only condition associated with Trisomy 21, either. Children with DS have higher risk of congenital heart defects, including types that are unfixable/will kill them, and unfortunately, it can be very difficult to get an organ transplant for someone with an intellectual disability. A particular subtype of pediatric leukemia (cancer of the blood cells), called acute myeloid leukemia, is 150 times more common in children with DS than in unaffected children. Interestingly, though, their prognosis appears significantly better.

It's not just the intellectual disability. I don't blame parents who don't want to possibly have to grapple with putting a kid through treatment for cancer or a severe heart defect. Serious illness like that are traumatic and life-changing for children who are intellectually normal.
I've only seen heart cancer once in a body, and it was a younger woman with DS. There's a lot of comorbidities, and people are poorly informed about it.
 
This one of the better youtubers and she does a pretty good post on how to appropriately speak to intellectually delayed and why she speaks "down" to some of her disabled children:
Ngl that baby voice shit sped teachers do is fucking obnoxious and as a kid I would absolutely cuss out teachers for doing it.

I get making sure to simplify shit so ID ppl can understand, but the fucking baby voice shit is just the most obnoxious and patronizing thing ever to deal with day in and day out especially the older you get.

Just talk to people in the same tone you would use for anyone else their age and simplify words/explain shit as needed, dont get why that's so hard.
 
Do you have any good links on this? I'm only familiar with intraocular Avastin (off-label for macular degeneration) being much cheaper than Lucentis (on-label), but that's only status quo angrymaking for the economics of healthcare.
Here is a decent starting point.

"Bevacizumab has not provided OS benefit in metastatic pancreatic cancer, metastatic renal cancer, metastatic gastric cancer, glioblastoma, non–small cell lung cancer, and in five of seven colorectal cancer trials. (The two exceptions are metastatic cervical cancer and unresectable pleural mesothelioma, for which it has shown an OS benefit)."
 
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