Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

If his circumstances did change and he no longer has money coming in, I'd be willing to bet something happened to trigger a review of whether or not he qualifies for SSDI and he got denied.
He never qualified for SSDI. He does not have the necessary work history. If he is on anything it's SSI.

(This is assuming we are correct about him having no substantial work history and that he didn't somehow get on SSDI like Chris based on his father or mother's SSDI then grandfathered in as an adult. So it's possible but not based on anything we know.)
 
He never qualified for SSDI. He does not have the necessary work history. If he is on anything it's SSI.

(This is assuming we are correct about him having no substantial work history and that he didn't somehow get on SSDI like Chris based on his father or mother's SSDI then grandfathered in as an adult. So it's possible but not based on anything we know.)
From the info we have the only job he's ever had is McDonalds and he didn't last long, got fired. If I'm remembering right when Cyril came on the thread he said the Lucas's mental illness diagnosis happened at some pt. after Lucas had moved out of Cyril's house. Since Lucas was already an adult, he would not have qualified for SSDI under his mother or father.
 
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He never qualified for SSDI. He does not have the necessary work history. If he is on anything it's SSI.

(This is assuming we are correct about him having no substantial work history and that he didn't somehow get on SSDI like Chris based on his father or mother's SSDI then grandfathered in as an adult. So it's possible but not based on anything we know.)

Hell if I know if he did, that was only going off of what he said and it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks SSDI and SSI are the same thing. He didn't have substantial work history, as far as I'm aware he just had one job at McDonalds for awhile, but if he was declared around the time he got onto whatever he was on as being profoundly disabled (again this is his recounting of it and he's not a reliable narrator and often doesn't understand shit that's told to him anyway) due to his bipolar (once again, this is what he says he was diagnosed with at that time, let's not go down the stupid rabbit hole of arguing about what's actually wrong with his brain) disorder and around the time he got on whatever he got on it was significantly easier to make that happen.

It's a hell of a lot harder now, and people who are legitimately disabled to the point that they can't work routinely get denied multiple times despite mountains of actual evidence in their favor before they get approved.

IF Lucas got pulled up for review it'd be next to difficult for him to qualify as the bar for getting it now is so much higher than it was in 2000.

But, since none of us knows what actually is going on or if Lucas was just throwing out a sob story to see if it got him free shit or a zoomer to fuck, that's all pure speculation and based on things Lucas has said in the past.
 
IF Lucas got pulled up for review it'd be next to difficult for him to qualify as the bar for getting it now is so much higher than it was in 2000.
The burden in a CDR is actually on SSA to prove you can work, not the other way around. It's way more common to get revoked because they catch you having too many assets. IMO it's not worse than in 2000 but about as shitty as it was then. There have been a couple "reforms" since then which have, IMO, done jack and shit.
 
The burden in a CDR is actually on SSA to prove you can work, not the other way around. It's way more common to get revoked because they catch you having too many assets. IMO it's not worse than in 2000 but about as shitty as it was then. There have been a couple "reforms" since then which have, IMO, done jack and shit.

I might have a minor stroke from laughing so hard if it turns out his Biden Bux or his "I'm saving up for an apartment!" funds pushed him over the SSI limit and it got revoked.
 
I might have a minor stroke from laughing so hard if it turns out his Biden Bux or his "I'm saving up for an apartment!" funds pushed him over the SSI limit and it got revoked.
I doubt he was doing that for his own benefit. He probably wouldn't get disqualified for his payee doing that.
 
From the info we have the only job he's ever had is McDonalds and he didn't last long, got fired. If I'm remembering right when Cyril came on the thread he said the Lucas's mental illness diagnosis happened at some pt. after Lucas had moved out of Cyril's house. Since Lucas was already an adult, he would not have qualified for SSDI under his mother or father.
Lucas's breakdown that led to his first trip to the psych ward and his diagnosis happened in january 2000. he mentioned it in his reflections

I remember lucas said something about doing some minor work for some job his parents had prior to mcdonalds but he didn't say much about it and it doesn't seem like it was a thing for very long. probably washing dishes or something on that level

That said, while its certainly possible lucas could have been put under investigation (and that can cause payments to be suspended temporarily during the investigation if its serious enough, i've seen it happen), if that had happened I doubt he would have been silent about it. He would have been absolutely livid and reeing to the world about it and how its all the bigot republican greybeards fault or whatever. He also likely would have tried solicitating donations again as a result
 
I doubt he was doing that for his own benefit. He probably wouldn't get disqualified for his payee doing that.

Pretty sure his 'savings' are 100% managed and done by the payee and likely don't count against the limit in the bank for SSI.

Though, I kind of wonder about that as he's never talked about having more than $1200 or so saved up, which is well below the limit for SSI in most cases. It's more likely that he just has no damned idea what's in that account unless he thinks to ask the payee now and again.

Fun LA Catfish Saga memory from something I was told: Someone asked him if he could contact his payee to get money for a bus, train, or plane ticket back to Spokane and his response later that day was that he contacted his payee and they told him they couldn't release that money for him.

Given that it's Lucas, there's a 50% chance he was lying about getting in contact with his payee but it's honestly so funny to think that he did and that poor person had to hear about what the dumbass did then go with, "...this money isn't for getting you a fucking bus ticket back to Spokane what's wrong with you?"
 
I do not say this lightly, but I now believe that Lucas Werner is better than Chris Chan.
Nah.
I'm not defending Chris, but Lucas being too much of a pussy to enact his pedophile anal fisting fantasies on some poor teenage girl against her will doesn't mean Lucas is better than Chris.
He's still a rotten piece of perverted shit to the core, he's just comically inept and a giant pussy on top of it.
 
Nah.
I'm not defending Chris, but Lucas being too much of a pussy to enact his pedophile anal fisting fantasies on some poor teenage girl against her will doesn't mean Lucas is better than Chris.
He's still a rotten piece of perverted shit to the core, he's just comically inept and a giant pussy on top of it.

ehh, if Lucas had access to a 13 yr old girl who was in his home and had the mental capacities of a 5 yr old, he would go full ChrisChan.

and Lucas has some pretty sick mommy thoughts.
 
I do not say this lightly, but I now believe that Lucas Werner is better than Chris Chan.
I was at a party a few weeks ago and met some random on the smoker’s porch who is also on the Farms. He’d never heard of Lucas and when he asked if he’s got the potential to be the next Chris Chan I gave an answer that made me sound like I’m evaluating baseball prospects-“He’s got a Chris Chan upside.”
 
and Lucas has some pretty sick mommy thoughts.

This, 100%.

Lucas's habit of describing his female family members as "gorgeous", (and his intonations give the word a very wet, lustful, heavy-breathing quality) extends to his mom. As Bermuda has reminded us, Lucas's mom was the pattern, the forerunner for the smart pretty interesting girl that Lucas sought for the rest of his life, unsuccessfully. Lucas has described both his blood mother, and his stepmother in terms that one generally wouldn't expect a son to describe their mother with.

I don't think Lucas is likely to physically commit incest with his mother, obviously distance and reality make that unlikely, but I think Lucas has the same sort of unhealthy psychological attachment to the concept a "sexual mommy" figure, which he got from his mother.

He sees nothing wrong with telling the world at Large: "what good are girls to him, if they can't even feed him and comfort him like his mother?" He doesn't realize how this sort of comparison shows him to be the arrested infant that he is, and most girls wouldn't want to enter into the oedipal nightmare that such a relationship would necessarily be. One of the most interesting things about Lucas, to me, is how he says these sorts of things, then seems to momentarily realize how horrible they sound, and say he's not expecting a woman to mother him, and that he would take care of the woman because of how well his mom raised him, but.... he's still unable to stop himself from making that sort of comparison. He does have some residue of a social conscience, however minute, it's just massively drowned out by all of his lusting, gorging, rutting impulses.

So yes, physically I don't think it would happen, but psychologically, I think Lucas and Chris are coming from a very similar position.

Changing the subject a bit, I've been thinking a lot about how someone in a therapy setting would approach fixing lucas, and trying to compare where he ended up before this recent hospitalization compared to when he came out of his longest therapy that we know of.

Lucas, in the past few months before he disappeared, had commented on how good anger was, and how useful the anger impulse was as an impetus for energy.

When he was fat and sedated, and he had just come out of hospital, the therapist had managed to internalize the idea within Lucas that his anger was something to struggle against, but anger is such a big part of lucas, and it's connected with his mania, the "high" part of his bipolar cycle, that I think separating him from these concepts is the first part of detuning his freak-out reflex.

I imagine this would be quite difficult, because Lucas repeats ideas to himself, to others, and to no one at all, until he makes them reality. In this way he's very similar to Chris: he repeats the reality of the world the way it makes him the least culpable for his negative situation, and drills it into his own head until it becomes his everyday reality. In this sense, he stirs up his own anger, because I imagine he, probably correctly, realizes that anger is preferable to sadness and shame.
 
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I'm sure this is a total coincidence, as its incredibly unlikely lucas would have had the chance to play any recent PC games but has anybody else noticed that in skyrim theres a whole thing involving greybeards that go on about 'the way of the voice?'

I mean maybe its just confirmation bias and total coincidence but the instant I came across that stuff I immediately wondered if lucas had played it or heard about it from someone and somehow got it all twisted around in his head and feeding into his own insanity, cause it sounded weirdly like his greybeards and voices on the wind

I mean it HAS to be a weird coincidence, right? I mean it could have been some dev who happens to have heard about lucas at some point just throwing that in there to fuck with people, I mean hell i've done that myself a few times and its not exactly uncommon in the industry, but I have to believe its some kind of amusing coincidence that happens to fit eerily well with lucas's main delusions
 
I'm sure this is a total coincidence, as its incredibly unlikely lucas would have had the chance to play any recent PC games but has anybody else noticed that in skyrim theres a whole thing involving greybeards that go on about 'the way of the voice?'

I mean maybe its just confirmation bias and total coincidence but the instant I came across that stuff I immediately wondered if lucas had played it or heard about it from someone and somehow got it all twisted around in his head and feeding into his own insanity, cause it sounded weirdly like his greybeards and voices on the wind

I mean it HAS to be a weird coincidence, right? I mean it could have been some dev who happens to have heard about lucas at some point just throwing that in there to fuck with people, I mean hell i've done that myself a few times and its not exactly uncommon in the industry, but I have to believe its some kind of amusing coincidence that happens to fit eerily well with lucas's main delusions
Eh skyrim is on literally everything so mayhap he has played it before
 
Eh skyrim is on literally everything so mayhap he has played it before
Lucas doesn't play games. Goldie gave him a 3DS with a bunch of games on it, and he ended up trading it for a pot of pasta and cheese. His mind is too scattered, and his focus is always himself, he doesn't have the ability to project himself into an entertainment realm that requires a suspension of disbelief and a focus on another protagonist.
 

You wearing a mask? Lucas thinks this is a pickup line

Speaking of Skyrim Lucas’s pickup lines sound like Oblivion NPC dialogue. Just needs the oblivion soundtrack behind it.

I'm sure this is a total coincidence, as its incredibly unlikely lucas would have had the chance to play any recent PC games but has anybody else noticed that in skyrim theres a whole thing involving greybeards that go on about 'the way of the voice?'

I mean maybe its just confirmation bias and total coincidence but the instant I came across that stuff I immediately wondered if lucas had played it or heard about it from someone and somehow got it all twisted around in his head and feeding into his own insanity, cause it sounded weirdly like his greybeards and voices on the wind

I mean it HAS to be a weird coincidence, right? I mean it could have been some dev who happens to have heard about lucas at some point just throwing that in there to fuck with people, I mean hell i've done that myself a few times and its not exactly uncommon in the industry, but I have to believe its some kind of amusing coincidence that happens to fit eerily well with lucas's main delusions
It’s making me think of Chris Chan’s Cursyee Hamee Ha shout.

I was thinking this myself but thought it was just coincidence the connection between greybeards and voices on the wind. Someone who thinks they can hook up the honeys with magical shouts is going to get the wrong kind of attention that’s for sure. Fus Ro-Move Braaaa! Nope but the greybeards on the mountain said...
Lucas doesn't play games. Goldie gave him a 3DS with a bunch of games on it, and he ended up trading it for a pot of pasta and cheese. His mind is too scattered, and his focus is always himself, he doesn't have the ability to project himself into an entertainment realm that requires a suspension of disbelief and a focus on another protagonist.

Wow! He really has no conception of anything long term to trade a game system for a pot of pasta and cheese. How does he not understand something that basic it’s a level of infantile understanding. I wonder if some brain damage simply prevents him from grasping the difference between receiving $100 a day for life vs receiving $1000 today. He would definitely choose the $1000 so he could blow it on food. Right now, right now, right now.
 
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Lucas doesn't play games. Goldie gave him a 3DS with a bunch of games on it, and he ended up trading it for a pot of pasta and cheese. His mind is too scattered, and his focus is always himself, he doesn't have the ability to project himself into an entertainment realm that requires a suspension of disbelief and a focus on another protagonist.
Lucas basically has no hobbies (entertainment) because his basic needs (both real needs like shelter or food) and fantasy needs (new mother figure, et c) are not met. Maslow might not be a perfect analogy for the observed behavior where Lucas traded something that might brighten his day for a baser satisfaction, but even when he was semi-stable and hoarding board games both his interest and self-proclaimed expertise were purely performative. he barely understood the concepts of game theory or entertainment design. he instead saw board games as a means to an end - an end to possibly meet women. he didn't care if they made sense, had intriguing concepts, were fun or funny - that wasn't the point for Lucas. the point for Lucas was using them as a vehicle to attract (passively, since he's an incredibly narcissistic coward) a woman's attention in a romantic way.

that this is in inherently kind of a broken train of thought is irrelevant. Lucas sees everything as a vehicle towards this end and if it isn't, either he isn't interested, or will twist it into that vehicle.

because Lucas lacks any hobbies and is constantly in a state between panic and disordered needy thinking, he has "no room" to entertain himself or others. his ego refuses to allow any separation between himself and his impulses far enough to seek simple amusement. about the closest he might get to that is anything that would satisfy his baser impulses like food or pornography.

Someone who thinks they can hook up the honeys with magical shouts is going to get the wrong kind of attention.

this is the same guy that is trying to attract women with "nigga".
 
I do not say this lightly, but I now believe that Lucas Werner is better than Chris Chan.
Taking Nick Bate out of the equation, I’ve long held the belief that Lucas was the worst person who’s chronicled on this forum. I sincerely believe he’d molest a child if given the opportunity.

With the recent revelations about Chris, I’m calling it a tie (maybe with a slight lead given to Chris given that we actually have confirmation that he violated someone vulnerable).
 
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Lucas basically has no hobbies (entertainment) because his basic needs (both real needs like shelter or food) and fantasy needs (new mother figure, et c) are not met. Maslow might not be a perfect analogy for the observed behavior where Lucas traded something that might brighten his day for a baser satisfaction, but even when he was semi-stable and hoarding board games both his interest and self-proclaimed expertise were purely performative. he barely understood the concepts of game theory or entertainment design. he instead saw board games as a means to an end - an end to possibly meet women. he didn't care if they made sense, had intriguing concepts, were fun or funny - that wasn't the point for Lucas. the point for Lucas was using them as a vehicle to attract (passively, since he's an incredibly narcissistic coward) a woman's attention in a romantic way.

that this is in inherently kind of a broken train of thought is irrelevant. Lucas sees everything as a vehicle towards this end and if it isn't, either he isn't interested, or will twist it into that vehicle.

because Lucas lacks any hobbies and is constantly in a state between panic and disordered needy thinking, he has "no room" to entertain himself or others. his ego refuses to allow any separation between himself and his impulses far enough to seek simple amusement. about the closest he might get to that is anything that would satisfy his baser impulses like food or pornography.



this is the same guy that is trying to attract women with "nigga".
I suspect lucas's mode of thinking can be boiled down into one simple sentence: if he sees something he tries to fuck it, if he can't fuck it he eats it, if he can't eat it he pisses on it
 
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