Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[NSA]

This might be a dumb question but is there a reason none of the CG guys are using Alterna? I get it that EVS is building his own publishing label, and the big names can get their six figure campaings, but what does the rest of them have (besides dying campaigns)? There's a small publisher right there willing and able to publish CG works, if they meet Peter's standards of course, and nobody has to worry about shitty or months delayed shipping. I mean if you want to "build a platform" getting a few indie published one shots that people can look at is hardly anything to sneer at.

Short answer is, some in fact are:

Down Cast by Clint Stoker is right on the front page.

But a large portion of CG don't have a product, only promises & excuses. IndiGoGo is seen as the place where quick bucks are collected. Selling overpriced "collector editions" to the brainwashed outrage cult fanboys is a high priority for CG, not just selling comics.

 

[Mister Dongs]

This might be a dumb question but is there a reason none of the CG guys are using Alterna?

There's less money in publishing with Alterna to local comic shops than there is with indie crowdfunding (hence why Alterna, along with Dynamite, Avatar, Boom Studios, Top Cow, etc are shfting into crowdfunding). The sales to comic retailers nationwide are around the same, except they're charging $2-$3 instead of $25. To keep prices low and appealing Alterna uses cheap newsprint and cuts costs in every other way they can. In other words the business model combines both low profit margins and low volume in sales. If Nasser Rabadi was a publishing company, he would be Alterna Comics.

 

[FROG]

Hey @FROG, I saw you name show up on the "thank you" list at the end of the new Suicide Squad flick. How does that work?

I dunno, but if that's true, it'll sure be fun.

 

[Least Concern]

This might be a dumb question but is there a reason none of the CG guys are using Alterna? I get it that EVS is building his own publishing label, and the big names can get their six figure campaings, but what does the rest of them have (besides dying campaigns)? There's a small publisher right there willing and able to publish CG works, if they meet Peter's standards of course, and nobody has to worry about shitty or months delayed shipping. I mean if you want to "build a platform" getting a few indie published one shots that people can look at is hardly anything to sneer at.

What others have said, plus poor Peter Simeti has taken enough grief for being "CG-adjacent" already. Remember when he was swatted on stream? I don't think that's happened to anyone else in CG even though some of them stream a whole hell of a lot more than Simeti ever did. In fact I'd be surprised if Simeti really were all that interested in bringing on board some of the more outspoken creators and painting a bigger target on his back.

But yeah, the more substantial answer is probably the money. No need to introduce a middleman into the grift if you already know how to print your own, and Alterna books are intentionally down-market price-wise to begin with.

 

[A nameless trool]

ALSO a reminder that Tim Lim; an outspoken Trump fan; who literally made Trump-themed comics; has run 5 successful Kickstarter campaigns without getting kicked off. That kind of screws up the victim narrative CG likes to trot out.

Just incase anyone is still believing the "Zack got kicked off Kickstarter" narrative: Allow Ya Boi to set the record straight:

Time stamp: 2:17

Damn that Kickstarter! Their approval process takes too long! How dare they!

Some time after that video he said he was banned and too embarassed to say it, so this sets no record straight.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Some time after that video he said he was banned and too embarassed to say it, so this sets no record straight.

Hard to believe anything he says then. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[NSA]

Some time after that video he said he was banned and too embarassed to say it, so this sets no record straight.

Here is a FROG stream where this is discussed at length: (This is also the origin of the anti-Kickstarter CG blood-oath)

At around 6:08 They start to discuss the leaked Kickstarter appeal screenshot, which really just proves my original point, that Zack was not kicked off yet, but he was afraid he was about to be, so he listened to FROG and switched to IndiGoGo. He then lied about this for a while to his fans, then when it was leaked by some literally who on twitter, it was spun into the current victim narrative. The retarded SJW on twitter posted a screenshot showing the book was in review and then claimed Zack was kicked off for being a big mean racist...so that's an SJW talking point that CG just ran with.

Meanwhile Doug TenNappel and Tim Lim have been successfully Kickstarting while being giant Trump & God mouthpieces, so I'm thinking that Ya Boi's situation was a great marketing tool for his book, but not much more.

 

[FROG]

Here is a FROG stream where this is discussed at length: (This is also the origin of the anti-Kickstarter CG blood-oath)

At around 6:08 They start to discuss the leaked Kickstarter appeal screenshot, which really just proves my original point, that Zack was not kicked off yet, but he was afraid he was about to be, so he listened to FROG and switched to IndiGoGo. He then lied about this for a while to his fans, then when it was leaked by some literally who on twitter, it was spun into the current victim narrative. The retarded SJW on twitter posted a screenshot showing the book was in review and then claimed Zack was kicked off for being a big mean racist...so that's an SJW talking point that CG just ran with.

Meanwhile Doug TenNappel and Tim Lim have been successfully Kickstarting while being giant Trump & God mouthpieces, so I'm thinking that Ya Boi's situation was a great marketing tool for his book, but not much more.

No, Zack decided that his first best option was to not admit that he'd been kicked from Kickstarter. Not once, but twice. He appealed, they denied his appeal.

He didn't want SJWs to celebrate.

But somehow...SOMEHOW, an SJW got an image of the email from Kickstarter to Zack, telling him to fuck off. Zack showed a few CGers and so it was probably a low level OG-CGer who leaked it to SJWs, I can't remember. I have a few guesses.

The idea was that if SJWs knew they had the power to kick us off of crowdfunding platforms, we wouldn't be safe anywhere. So Zack made up a story about how slow they were to approve him, etc, while we moved over to IGG.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Maybe they aren't buying your new stuff because they realised how "good" your old stuff is.

I'd put my worst stuff up against your best stuff.

 

[SargonF00t]

Shane Davis, Art Thibert, the Diaz brothers,

 

[Pilule Noire]

Look out everybody, there's Trouble in the Badlands!

But lo, a Shining Knight hath cometh to the rethcue:

@TheCosmicWarrior!

 

[Rupin]

I'm not sure if Smiller was exaggerating the "25k subs before you launch" bit, but I do remember Malin proclaiming some kind of sub threshold you needed to have before you could launch a successful campaign. I thought it was 10k, but I don't recall exactly what number he pulled out of his ass. Let's say it's the low end and you must have 10k subs before you launch. What CG creators have more than 10k YouTube subs?

That would be Ethan, Zack, and Cecil. I'm sure there's got to be more but I can't seem to think of one.
Anna doesn't really create shit but she's in the CG inner circle and has over 200k subs.
Zack doesn't even acknowledge the existence of CG but is still revered as its patron saint and the entire reason behind the anti-Kickstarter aspect of it.
Cecil is a sad, mentally challenged drunk, his book is late and gay but he still manages to have almost twice as many subs as Jon Malin.

That's right, Coach Malin doesn't even have 10k subs.
Shane Davis, Art Thibert, the Diaz brothers, Andy Smith, Kelsey Shannon, Graham Nolan, Charlie's London and pretty much everyone else that enjoys promotion from the CG big dogs are well below Malin's magic sub number yet most seem to have launched some successful campaigns (yes, success is relative here but they still got exposure from the big table). It's almost as if Jon Malin is full of shit and likes to hear himself bluster.

Woe betide the small CG creator who dares cross the picket line trying to expand his audience and make money on KS. Coach Malin is just not going to use his immense influence in CG to help you promote your project. Good luck getting those Magic Cop numbers without going on his channel!

Making Malin mad at you won’t mean a thing when it comes to selling comics. What’s he gonna do? Go on a tirade to his small audience and cus you out? It’s when Ethan gets mad at you, that‘s when you have problems. Financial ones anyway. Smiller and Warcampaign found that out the hard way.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Look out everybody, there's Trouble in the Badlands!

But lo, a Shining Knight hath cometh to the rethcue:

@TheCosmicWarrior!

@FROG is on, too, around the 25 minute mark. Always amusing to see him and Doug crossing rapiers. Although Doug seemed like a beaten man for much of this.

 

[Orson Raygun]

No, Zack decided that his first best option was to not admit that he'd been kicked from Kickstarter. Not once, but twice. He appealed, they denied his appeal.

He didn't want SJWs to celebrate.

But somehow...SOMEHOW, an SJW got an image of the email from Kickstarter to Zack, telling him to fuck off. Zack showed a few CGers and so it was probably a low level OG-CGer who leaked it to SJWs, I can't remember. I have a few guesses.

The idea was that if SJWs knew they had the power to kick us off of crowdfunding platforms, we wouldn't be safe anywhere. So Zack made up a story about how slow they were to approve him, etc, while we moved over to IGG.

wasn't Zack rejected from Kickstarter because he hadn't fulfilled the original Jawbreakers campaign from years before and not for political reasons?

JAWBREAKERS- Book One (Sketch Reward at every tier)

What happens when you cross THE AVENGERS with THE EXPENDABLES? You get JAWBREAKERS, former superheroes who take on real evil like ISIS

www.kickstarter.com

 

[NasserRabadi13]

It was a great stream. Doug was awful and had no answers for any of the questions we asked.


He and Smiller did a cope stream after. Only watched a couple minutes of it, might efap it later after work.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I didn't watch it. Probably Doug was fumbling everything, he seems to have backed his youtube career and reputation into a corner. But - throw your top hats at me - you digging yourself ever deeper into your new job as the RL Salacious Crumb maybe isn't the win you think it is.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Doug, if you're reading this... come join ComixxxGUNT!

Work to be a winner!

 

[A nameless trool]

@FROG is on, too, around the 25 minute mark. Always amusing to see him and Doug crossing rapiers. Although Doug seemed like a beaten man for much of this.

@FROG had an iconic line on that stream.
"Jesus never said Eat Me. Oh, wait, he did"
*mic drop*

Overall, Doug is either an oblivious gaslighter or a narcissist boomer that has zero understanding of how the internet works.
His six banned channels probably point to the former.

 

[KingofNothing]

wasn't Zack rejected from Kickstarter because he hadn't fulfilled the original Jawbreakers campaign from years before and not for political reasons?

No or that would have been included in the leaked email instead of making up nonsense implying his GI Joe monkey book was bigoted. Honestly they're stupid for not doing that since it would have been hard for Zack to argue against and I doubt even EVS could have spun that into a rallying cry for CG. But they just had to pretend they were ousting a monster because some boomer was saying "lol these books suck" in a way that was too mean for them.

No, Zack decided that his first best option was to not admit that he'd been kicked from Kickstarter. Not once, but twice. He appealed, they denied his appeal.

He didn't want SJWs to celebrate.

But somehow...SOMEHOW, an SJW got an image of the email from Kickstarter to Zack, telling him to fuck off. Zack showed a few CGers and so it was probably a low level OG-CGer who leaked it to SJWs, I can't remember. I have a few guesses.

The idea was that if SJWs knew they had the power to kick us off of crowdfunding platforms, we wouldn't be safe anywhere. So Zack made up a story about how slow they were to approve him, etc, while we moved over to IGG.

I recall that it was pretty much agreed that HP Collage was the culprit who leaked it to Richard Pace

 

[Mecha]

Congrats to Jon Malin for the launch of Godlike. It did numbers.

$79,175 and 697 backers as of this posting

GODLIKE- THE ROMULUS SAGA

10,000 years from now the Galactic Wars have ended and a new Dark Age has begun. | Check out 'GODLIKE- THE ROMULUS SAGA' on Indiegogo.

www.indiegogo.com

More interesting is the discussion of Caanan White when the search for Eric July's artist came up.

Have to agree with Frog on this one. SuperBurgerMan was one of the worst things to happen to indie comics of all time.

Eric having never heard of Caanan offers up rather plainly "Ill pay you more than whatever the weirdos are paying" And considering Eric July's platform, clout and influence I believe that. I would love to see Caanan get a project worthy of his skills.

Speaking of Caanan It seems he's not doing DeathShroud #2 a project I wrote about before involving some big names in the mainstream such as Brett Booth and Ryan Stegman

This is the guy who is doing issue two of that book

https://twitter.com/VKMarion

V Ken Marion (@VKMarion) | Twitter

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I have no idea what happened there, but it was one of Caanan's higher profile projects. It seems now would be the perfect time for Eric July to make him an offer he shouldn't refuse. Especially since it seems Caanan's commissions are closed. Hear that Jon?

Caanan_White (@Cap_White) | Twitter

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Once Eric sees Caanan's artwork it's pretty much an immediate, "Come on wit it obviously right up the alley of what we're lookin' for, let's make it happen...let's make some money"

The Chat is also very receptive to the idea

Mike S. Miller was in the chat offering to text Caanan about the Eric July project.


Frog says NO! I'll reach out to Caanan.

Sketch Therapy at some point spergs out in the chat


Anyway Jon then publicly disparages Caanan's work Ethic "He's not going to deliver" In front of someone who is potentially interested in hiring him. A Guy who has over 400k subs on youtube, 11k followers on twitch and a band. He's known outside of comics for his political work even. This could be the big break that Caanan needs.

I won't Jspit myself here and cover the entire stream, but being Caanan's biggest fan on the farms I have to question Jon over his comments. ComicsGate was about being able to make money in comics without being cancelled. Now we have one of the most prominent figures in the movement publicly lambasting an artist over his ability to make a book. While that is definitely a concern, Jon is drinking and angry. It almost comes off as a personal grudge.

This is one of those conversations you either don't have in the first place, or one on one instead of in the public eye. Maybe Eric does need to know that's been Jon's experience with Caanan, but live on air, drunk and angry is probably not the answer either.

If Caanan's issue is he is so strapped for cash that he takes commissions Eric July's offer would hopefully take care of that issue anyway right?

"Eric, hire this guy but keep him busy" would be a lot better than publicly taking a shit on his ability to deliver a book on time.

I've been shit on before for supporting Mike and his CG constitution, but one golden rule of ComicsGate to consider should go without saying...

Don't fuck with someone else's ability to make money. That's for SJWs.


I for one would love to see Caanan work with Eric July on his book. He's too good of an artist to remain in the obscurity of SuperHamburgers. Caanan was one of the reasons I got excited about ComicsGate in the first place. It's not only free of political agendas in entertainment, there's some really fantastic artists doing their best work in CG.