Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[Gravityqueen4life]

get money first THAN bltches. or just buy a hooker.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Stop making excuses for your own personal failings.

Stop projecting your values and assign said values absolute values.

People with an aggressive attitude like yours knock up 18-year old girls and then remain being terminally angry and grumbling for the rest of their lives.
Sexual liberalization is the root of the incel problem in its' current incarnation. Sex isn't supposed to be the shining beacon of your capacity as a male human being.

 

[TheShedCollector]

Stop projecting your values and assign said values absolute values.

People with an aggressive attitude like yours knock up 18-year old girls and then remain being terminally angry and grumbling for the rest of their lives.
Sexual liberalization is the root of the incel problem in its' current incarnation. Sex isn't supposed to be the shining beacon of your capacity as a male human being.

6 Months

Able to identify primary carer. Face lights up when they see primary carer.
Reacts to other peoples emotions (smiles when other people smile)
Able to turn head to see who is talking
Plays with their hands and fingers
Shows interest in new experiences (eg getting a new toy)
Shows anticipation and enjoyment of familliar activities

12 Months

Shows affection to special people. Get's distressed when they aren't around
Follows simple instructions (eg "look at the bus", child's eyes follow the bus)
Expresses themselves by pointing at things.
Capable of leaning forward to pick up small things
Actively co-operates with certain tasks (lying still for a minute for nappy changes)
Basic problem solving skills (Finding something to stand on to reach things)

18 Months

Is aware of other peoples feelings. (Will become concerned if they hear crying, excited by familiar faces and friends)
Has a vocabulary of about five words
Recognises and identifies by pointing and able to ask basic questions (Where's the ball?)
Takes their first steps
Able to identify if their nappy needs changing
Engages in simple pretend play with soft toys (cuddling toy bears, puts doll to bed by putting a blanket on them)

2.5 Years

Begins to become curious about their environment. Starts to explore but will quickly become anxious if separated from their carer
Demonstrates and expresses themselves when parents ask questions (Do you want pizza for dinner? Child can independently answer yes/no and understand the consequences of what they say)
Understands rules and routines
Able to form their own extremely short sentences (teddy sleeping, bus driving, kick ball)
Recognises familiar rhymes (the wheels on the bus) although maybe unable to sing along themselves
Able to help with basic dressing and hygiene routines
Shows control in holding and using basic tools (hammer, screwdriver)
Able to organise and categorise objects (red toys, blue toys etc)
Operates mechanical toys (pull back toys, jack in the box)
Able to complete simple puzzle toys


3.5 Years

Recognises self in mirror. Able to understand if there is food or dirt on their face and wipe it off
Shows independence in selecting and carrying out activities
Listens eagerly to stories. Able to request to hear favourite stories over and over again
Able to start using tenses in sentences (play, playing, will play, played)
Able to catch balls
Able to wash and dry hands
Makes and completes simple plans (Child wants to play soccer. They will collecting the soccer ball and something to make a goal before they start playing)
Able to draw a person with a head, body, arms and legs.

5 Years

Is curious about others and adapts behaviour to fit in (Removing shoes and socks before going on a slide because other children do it first)
Works as part of a group or class, taking turns and sharing fairly. Understands the need for agreed codes of behaviour to work together.
Able to express complicated thoughts by stringing multiple sentences together (We went to the shop, then we went to the park and watched the ducks.)
No longer requires assistance dressing or undressing
Able to concentrate and listen for more than 10 minutes on an adult led activity that they enjoy (cooking a meal, cleaning the house)
Shows flexibility in approaching different ways of tackling problems

6 Years

Fully toilet trained during daytime, bedwetting at night may be a problem
Play reflects typical gender roles (mothers and fathers)
Develops friendships with peers. May develop dislike of individuals
May show signs of sibling rivalry
Can comfortably perform more complicated ambulatory skills (standing on one foot, tiptoing, hopping)
Starts to ask questions about life/death
Starts to understand right/wrong at a very basic level
Able to identify by name colours and shapes
Begins attempting to imitating parents

8 Years

Has good finger control
Almost able to converse at an adult level
Wants to understand how things work
Understands opposites
Develops a close circle of same-gender friends.
Becomes susceptible to peer pressure
Prone to mood swings
Extremely impatient. Has a hard time waiting for special occasions (Christmas / Birthday presents)

10 Years

Capable of participating in demanding sports (bicycling, soccer, hockey etc)
Fully developed motor planning
Shows revulsion to having friends of the opposite gender
Can comfortably and quickly tell lies to get out of things they don't want to do

11 Years

Rapid gain of height and strength
Begins to understand other people may not hold similar beliefs to them
Critical of others. Stubborn.
Expresses anger through violence (slamming doors, punching walls, throwing things)
Cares what other people think and how they come across to others (don't want to be dressed differently)

13 Years

Male puberty starts.
Growth spurts
Voice deepens
Peach fuzz facial hair
Extremely insecure about their bodies (penis size, lack of chest hair, overweight)
Argumentative with adults

16 Years

Circle of friends is expanded and includes both genders
Male puberty finished. Fully developed testes. Massive gain in testosterone
Thicker facial hair starts to grow
Well established and comfortable boundaries with parents
Strong interest in sexual relationships. May develop intense crushes


Conclusion

Sorry that your father wasn't around to help you grow into an adult male at the appropriate age but normal young adults are fully interested in having sex at age 16. Two years is enough time for the overwhelming majority of young men to identify that flirting and pursuing a sexual relationship with a woman requires a different set of social skills and aggressively pursue those skills. If your post-puberty brain, that is swimming in hormones and where your sex drive is at it's peak for your entire life, is incapable of learning the social skills required to pursue an adult sexual relationship then that's your problem. But do not project your failures onto other people.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Sorry that your father wasn't around to help you grow into an adult male at the appropriate age but normal young adults are fully interested in having sex at age 16. Two years is enough time for the overwhelming majority of young men to identify that flirting and pursuing a sexual relationship with a woman requires a different set of social skills and aggressively pursue those skills. If your post-puberty brain, that is swimming in hormones and where your sex drive is at it's peak for your entire life, is incapable of learning the social skills required to pursue an adult sexual relationship then that's your problem. But do not project your failures onto other people.

The projections are strong in this one. Also, lol.

 

[Mr Snek]

6 Months

Able to identify primary carer. Face lights up when they see primary carer.
Reacts to other peoples emotions (smiles when other people smile)
Able to turn head to see who is talking
Plays with their hands and fingers
Shows interest in new experiences (eg getting a new toy)
Shows anticipation and enjoyment of familliar activities

12 Months

Shows affection to special people. Get's distressed when they aren't around
Follows simple instructions (eg "look at the bus", child's eyes follow the bus)
Expresses themselves by pointing at things.
Capable of leaning forward to pick up small things
Actively co-operates with certain tasks (lying still for a minute for nappy changes)
Basic problem solving skills (Finding something to stand on to reach things)

18 Months

Is aware of other peoples feelings. (Will become concerned if they hear crying, excited by familiar faces and friends)
Has a vocabulary of about five words
Recognises and identifies by pointing and able to ask basic questions (Where's the ball?)
Takes their first steps
Able to identify if their nappy needs changing
Engages in simple pretend play with soft toys (cuddling toy bears, puts doll to bed by putting a blanket on them)

2.5 Years

Begins to become curious about their environment. Starts to explore but will quickly become anxious if separated from their carer
Demonstrates and expresses themselves when parents ask questions (Do you want pizza for dinner? Child can independently answer yes/no and understand the consequences of what they say)
Understands rules and routines
Able to form their own extremely short sentences (teddy sleeping, bus driving, kick ball)
Recognises familiar rhymes (the wheels on the bus) although maybe unable to sing along themselves
Able to help with basic dressing and hygiene routines
Shows control in holding and using basic tools (hammer, screwdriver)
Able to organise and categorise objects (red toys, blue toys etc)
Operates mechanical toys (pull back toys, jack in the box)
Able to complete simple puzzle toys


3.5 Years

Recognises self in mirror. Able to understand if there is food or dirt on their face and wipe it off
Shows independence in selecting and carrying out activities
Listens eagerly to stories. Able to request to hear favourite stories over and over again
Able to start using tenses in sentences (play, playing, will play, played)
Able to catch balls
Able to wash and dry hands
Makes and completes simple plans (Child wants to play soccer. They will collecting the soccer ball and something to make a goal before they start playing)
Able to draw a person with a head, body, arms and legs.

5 Years

Is curious about others and adapts behaviour to fit in (Removing shoes and socks before going on a slide because other children do it first)
Works as part of a group or class, taking turns and sharing fairly. Understands the need for agreed codes of behaviour to work together.
Able to express complicated thoughts by stringing multiple sentences together (We went to the shop, then we went to the park and watched the ducks.)
No longer requires assistance dressing or undressing
Able to concentrate and listen for more than 10 minutes on an adult led activity that they enjoy (cooking a meal, cleaning the house)
Shows flexibility in approaching different ways of tackling problems

6 Years

Fully toilet trained during daytime, bedwetting at night may be a problem
Play reflects typical gender roles (mothers and fathers)
Develops friendships with peers. May develop dislike of individuals
May show signs of sibling rivalry
Can comfortably perform more complicated ambulatory skills (standing on one foot, tiptoing, hopping)
Starts to ask questions about life/death
Starts to understand right/wrong at a very basic level
Able to identify by name colours and shapes
Begins attempting to imitating parents

8 Years

Has good finger control
Almost able to converse at an adult level
Wants to understand how things work
Understands opposites
Develops a close circle of same-gender friends.
Becomes susceptible to peer pressure
Prone to mood swings
Extremely impatient. Has a hard time waiting for special occasions (Christmas / Birthday presents)

10 Years

Capable of participating in demanding sports (bicycling, soccer, hockey etc)
Fully developed motor planning
Shows revulsion to having friends of the opposite gender
Can comfortably and quickly tell lies to get out of things they don't want to do

11 Years

Rapid gain of height and strength
Begins to understand other people may not hold similar beliefs to them
Critical of others. Stubborn.
Expresses anger through violence (slamming doors, punching walls, throwing things)
Cares what other people think and how they come across to others (don't want to be dressed differently)

13 Years

Male puberty starts.
Growth spurts
Voice deepens
Peach fuzz facial hair
Extremely insecure about their bodies (penis size, lack of chest hair, overweight)
Argumentative with adults

16 Years

Circle of friends is expanded and includes both genders
Male puberty finished. Fully developed testes. Massive gain in testosterone
Thicker facial hair starts to grow
Well established and comfortable boundaries with parents
Strong interest in sexual relationships. May develop intense crushes


Conclusion

Sorry that your father wasn't around to help you grow into an adult male at the appropriate age but normal young adults are fully interested in having sex at age 16. Two years is enough time for the overwhelming majority of young men to identify that flirting and pursuing a sexual relationship with a woman requires a different set of social skills and aggressively pursue those skills. If your post-puberty brain, that is swimming in hormones and where your sex drive is at it's peak for your entire life, is incapable of learning the social skills required to pursue an adult sexual relationship then that's your problem. But do not project your failures onto other people.

This might be the single most autistic post I've seen on this site, and that's saying something.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Sorry that your father wasn't around to help you grow into an adult male at the appropriate age but normal young adults are fully interested in having sex at age 16.

Nobody's argued this-- not even you. There's a difference between having the inclination to have sex and needing to have sex, which is what you were originally discussing.

get money first THAN bltches. or just buy a hooker.

If I'm not supposed to give money to an e-girl, I shouldn't be giving money to a hooker, either.

 

[Chicken Picnic]

I hope everyone here knows, no matter how autistic you are, it's never ok to fuck your mother

May Chris Chan's love quest deter all incels from their futures

 

[PaleTay]

My thought is that incels are basically men who act like women. Refusing to workout and having high standards is celebrated in women.

I'll use an example with a BPD girl I had a good online friendship with. She's a complete loser. No job, smokes weed and lies in bed all day, repulsive hygiene admitting to not showering for weeks and visibly being dirty and greasy. The exact stereotype people commonly have with incels. Does she ever get called on being a lazy slug? No. She has no problem finding relationships (and destroying them like BPDs do), Whenever it's talked about her finding relationships, the general opinion is how lucky people are for this charming girl giving them a chance! Her family even defends her behavior and never challenges her to improve her life despite being a financial black hole for them.

This is not a unique example, I've seen numerous examples of specifically Zoomer women who are similar to this. Then lonely men are expected to bend over backwards for messes like this, and if they don't, they're the losers.

As for women being whores, I don't care, I consider that a positive tbh. I think when incels demand pure virgins and all that, often they're trying to protect themselves from manipulative fuckups as I mentioned earlier, and overcompensating.

This is a good summary. They hate men and western society as well.

Even a lot of average-good looking girls have many traits of people like Elliot Roger, they think its cute to hit or dump drinks on people, and expect to marry a professional athlete. Or a chubby girl with a nice face expects a $200 meal for a first date. Society has collapsed because it never wanted to call a girl fat, or crazy but instead indulge them.

 

[RMQualtrough]

I may agree that they do not exist but more because anyone can find sex if they really want to. Although, it also wouldn't be right to lump them in with voluntarily celibate people either. Incels cry and whine and complain and only want the hottest girls despite usually not being great looking themselves, where as voluntarily celibate people don't do that.

I don't know what term would be most accurate. Entcel? Entitled celibated?

Nobody should have to be sexually involved with someone they find physically repulsive. It is normal for both ugly men and women to wish for passable looking people as sexual partners. Without physical attraction only other forms of love like deep friendship need to exist. That is another type of love. Friendzone love?

 

[Xenarthran]

Autistics will never get laid.

 

[DetectiveDuBois]

Nobody should have to be sexually involved with someone they find physically repulsive. It is normal for both ugly men and women to wish for passable looking people as sexual partners. Without physical attraction only other forms of love like deep friendship need to exist. That is another type of love. Friendzone love?

Agape love?

 

[DavidS877]

Autistics will never get laid.

Sure we will, we just have to pay by the hour.

 

[Xenarthran]

Sure we will, we just have to pay by the hour.

That doesn't really count though, does it?

 

[Mr Snek]

That doesn't really count though, does it?

It counts as much as paying for a wife or girlfriend.

 

[Xenarthran]

It counts as much as paying for a wife or girlfriend.

Yet normal people can get that for free.

 

[DavidS877]

Yet normal people can get that for free.

And we're back to my comment on page 1. Ain't no man getting sex for free. I mean it may not be a direct cash for services transaction but it's sure not free.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Porn and feminism created incels.

 

[Xenarthran]

And we're back to my comment on page 1. Ain't no man getting sex for free. I mean it may not be a direct cash for services transaction but it's sure not free.

Seriously?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Nobody should have to be sexually involved with someone they find physically repulsive. It is normal for both ugly men and women to wish for passable looking people as sexual partners. Without physical attraction only other forms of love like deep friendship need to exist. That is another type of love. Friendzone love?

Good thing they don't have to be sexually involved with anyone they don't want to be. They're also free to desire people out of their league, I'd simply advise everyone to keep expectations in check and accept reality.

 

[Electric Pence]

Edit: I hope robots develop sentience and still reject incels. The salt would be amazing.

IDK why, but this comment reminded me of this character from Quake III: Arena.

>man in his twenties
>doesn't go out
>doesn't go to parties
>all of his friends are paired up
>all of his coworkers are paired up

"Why can't I find women?"

I seriously doubt women who are worth pursuing would be found at parties.

1. Schools are not a solution. Asking schools to fix something is a fucking disaster waiting to happen. Parents should teach their kids social skills by having the kids play with the neighbors.

Need to add a caveat that the parents should teach their kids to stand up for themselves if their neighbors are bullies or sleazeballs.

I think they can to an extent, but its a temporary state of affairs at best and will last only until they burn out. Right now society seems to be geared towards cutting people loose at the precise moment they burn out or perhaps a bit before it, but that model requires the labor market to be more favorable to corporations so they can more quickly replace people. Eventually we'll reach a sort of critical mass though where too many people are burning out and there aren't enough people to replace them quickly enough. Or at least we were, the plague shook up that forecast a little but I think its just delayed it at best.

Exactly as I planned.

Good thing they don't have to be sexually involved with anyone they don't want to be. They're also free to desire people out of their league, I'd simply advise everyone to keep expectations in check and accept reality.

With the exception of victims of groom/bride kidnapping that is.