Clayton Ray Huff / Dream / DreamOnPvP / DreamTraps / DreamAF / DreamXD / DeltaKnight / DreamSkilful / Clayman23 - Fat Minecraft Youtuber with fans that want to torture and rape him and are in denial that he's fat.

Is JacobTMK the Fatman?

  • Yes! It's a deadringer!

    Votes: 305 13.2%
  • No! That's Dream!

    Votes: 1,713 74.1%
  • It's neither of them!

    Votes: 295 12.8%

  • Total voters
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Why did this get age-restricted?
Apparently youtube auto age-restricts videos with "Fuck" in the title.

They recently mentioned on stream that Dream “takes care” of Sapnap. He doesn’t make him pay rent, he pays for his gas, and buys him food.
Charging rent in Dream's situation would probably look worse on him, given he paid for his current house in cash and doesn't need rent income to pay a mortgage.

Additionally, it would actually cost him a LOT more in the longrun, since currently he only pays property taxes and gas/electric/internet for the home. Property tax for him is currently $8.7k/year, and bills are going to be probably another $4k. Since rent is viewed as income and the taxes aren't getting reduced by mortgage payments, a fair chunk of the money he'd get from Sapnap would be taken by taxes. He'd also need a rental agreement with Sapnap, renter's insurance, and a bunch of other legal and technical bullshit.

If you're only paying $1k a month for your housing situation, why complicate things and increase those expenses?
 
Dream's troon editor is subtweeting them for not paying them enough now lol
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Honestly this is a fairly valid complaint. In my opinion editors should get paid a percent of the video’s revenue, therefore incentivizing them to do better work and also giving them passive income between jobs. But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the guy who literally looks like the porky caricature wouldn’t want to pay anyone more than the bare minimum they’re willing to accept
 
Firesale's editing offends me on how bad and mediocre it is that if there was a list of videos that Firesale edited I would personally go through every single one and point out every shit editing decision or mistake.
Sorry for the delay everyone! Without further ado, I've currently gone through ten videos and will add more in edits, as I need to recover from the Dream Shorts videos, all archived and with relevant timestamps! This also inevitably served as a commentary on how lazy Dream shorts is, both from an editing perspective, and how shit the content is.

Also, Dream, if you're reading, please firesale him.
Video 1: "Minecraft Tattoo..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

- The only editing done is cutting between two clips at 0:23, adding one sound effect (surprisingly not out of sync) at 0:20, and changing the music track twice, change occuring at 0:23, fatass could have done this himself. Otherwise there are no significant editing mistakes.
Verdict: Not too awful, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy.
It would've been faster too, unless Firesale receives these in bulk drops of like 20.

Video 2: "Science Lab Partner..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.


- Not an editing mistake but I hate the stupid voice Sapnap does starting at 0:10 to the end of the video.
- Also, where's the fucking joke?
- Only one music track in the video, no real editing done.
Verdict: Awful, but not on Firesale's part, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy.

Video 3: "The Greatest Pirate I've Ever Seen..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.


- I hate the fucking pirate voices
- The only editing is once again, a single music track and cutting to another perspective at 0:22. I am still betting Dream is overpaying.
Verdict: Awful, but not on Firesale's part, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy. Are you starting to notice a pattern?

Video 4: "Are You Smarter Than A Sapnap?" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.


- Woah! A new editing trick! Firesale learned how to fucking make the video zoom! Surprisingly didn't fuck this one up.
- Then again, it's extremely overused, the video practically zooms and/or pans after every single cut, it's making me a bit motion sick.
- I wish Firesale would quiet down Dream's gaggle yelling so much instead of focusing on the zooming, it's making my ears bleed. 1:15 actually gave me a fucking headache.
- 1:21, we see our first zoom out. Wow. So much effort being put into this editing, clearly firesale is being underpaid.
- 1:38 also made my head hurt. I should not have my head be hurting because firesale can't lower Sapnap's fucking audio levels.
Verdict: This video is fucking horrendous cancer and I hate Sapnap. Firesale has demonstrated a bit more editing here, but is putting his already minimal effort into repetetive effects that give motion sickness instead of the places that need it (lowering Sapnap's volume).

Video 5: "BaldBoyHalo" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.


- Practically no editing at the start.
- This video is actually part of Firesale's editing reel, which means I am going to be particularly harsh on it.
- At 0:21 the video starts rotating, Firesale surprisingly did not fuck this up, but it abruptly cuts to a different rotate and zoom out at 0:31, which really disoriented me. Normally this wouldn't be too bad (besides the fact that it disoriented me a bit), but Firesale seems to have a habit of overusing simple affects in an attempt to appear to Dream like he's actually doing something, when in reality something like this takes 2 seconds to do.
- 0:34 and beyond is fucking cancer, would it have killed Firesale to fucking lower these guy's audio? At least when other youtubers do "scream = funny hahaha" they have the decency to lower it a bit.
Verdict: This video is fucking horrendous cancer, just like the smarter than a Sapnap one. Firesale's overuse of effects is disorienting and already made me nauseous with the smarter than a Sapnap video, and Dream and Bad's yelling didn't particularly help either.

Video 6: "Tubbo is UNHINGED" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.
Finally, a longer video to dig into.


- I actually have no qualms with the beginning twitch plug, it's short, simple, didn't blow my ears out, didn't make me motion sick, or anything like that. But it's not particularly impressive either, you have to remember that Firesale keeps boasting about his "8 years of experience" after all. An editor with a week of experience, maybe less could pull that off just as well.
- That transition is part of his streaming setup I presume, since it was tied to him switching screens, don't be fooled into thinking Firesale put more work into this than he did.
- What is with the watermark? Is that part of his stream setup or did Firesale put that in? This isn't a point against the content itself besides that it's stupid. Why does his gameplay need a watermark? He's already got his facecam, twitch chat, and you can see his minecraft character's hand.
- Can whoever keeps going "MEEHHHH!" shut the fuck up?
- The outro is just a fade in with music.
- All of the editing that stuck out to me besides the previously mentioned is just hyperactive cuts, as if Firesale (Or Sneeg if he mandated that) thinks the viewer has the attention span of a goldfish. If I missed anything it was because I was bored out of my mind.
Verdict: Boring, minimal editing. Where the hell is that 8 years of experience? The video just consists of Sneeg doing shit in the nether while people more entertaining than him talk to him.

Video 7: "World Record Weight Lifting" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.


- Firesale overuses the zoom in and zoom out again.
- The only other editing is inserting a sound effect.
Verdict: Very little editing, but made in an attempt to look like he's doing more than he is. 8 years of experience my fucking ass.

Video 8: "Wilbur Soot Hits A Spectral Nae Nae" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.


- Oh shit, another editing reel video!
- As I said before about this part (0:00) in the editing reel, the only real editing here is adding undertale sound effects that surprisingly aren't out of sync like the burger in the editing reel was.
- Okay, so the twitch plug is here too (0:51), which means it probably was given to Firesale to put in every video, meaning he probably didn't even create it, there goes that one compliment out of the window.
- Once again very minimal editing, what about this was so impressive as to put in his editing reel?
Verdict: How many times can I repeat "minimal editing" without coming off as uninspired as Firesale.
... Then again maybe that's all he deserves.

Video 9: "Anyone know Candice?" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.


- Same shill segment as last time.
- Same twitch shill as last time as well.
- Once again...... Uh.... Minor adapting.
Verdict: Um... Where are those 8 years of experience?

Video 10: "Dream Let Down Your Hair..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts


- The hit sounds at 0:27 and 0: are very slightly off sync from when Dream places the water. Otherwise this video has literally no editing.
Verdict: I literally have nothing to say about this video, besides that I still hate Dream Shorts.

Intermission:

Okay, so we're ten videos through, and all we've seen is extremely minimal editing from Firesale, so far I see no reason as to why he should be paid more, and in fact I argue he should be paid literal cents for this shit. Maybe a dollar or two if we're generous, becuase Dream and Sneeg could've edited these themselves and it would've probably had more editing.

For all Firesale whines about being "underpaid" for his supposed 8 years of experience, he isn't doing very much to show off his eight years of experience. Again, Dream, if you're reading this, I recommend either learning to edit these yourself (it's not that hard what Firesale is doing), or hiring an assistant that does more than editing so at least you're paying for more than basic bitch week in premiere editing.

to be continued next edit.

BONUS VIDEO (For now, this is the 13th video in the list) : "PARKOUR!" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

So why did I add this as a bonus video? The editing is rather mediocre after all.

Simple, I noticed Firesale took an effect that the creator wanted to be credited when used. Personally I don't give much of a shit about this, but considering how much Dream hammers on and on about how he loves giving credit, this is very funny.

So in the video, you'll notice the shit like "Good!" "Great!" etc. right? Well these are actually taken from a video that recreated these effects from the "Mario and Luigi" games by Nintendo.

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I look forward to Dream scrambling to update the description before Twitter finds out.
 
Sorry for the delay everyone! Without further ado, I've currently gone through ten videos and will add more in edits, as I need to recover from the Dream Shorts videos, all archived and with relevant timestamps! This also inevitably served as a commentary on how lazy Dream shorts is, both from an editing perspective, and how shit the content is.

Also, Dream, if you're reading, please firesale him.
Video 1: "Minecraft Tattoo..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.
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- The only editing done is cutting between two clips at 0:23, adding one sound effect (surprisingly not out of sync) at 0:20, and changing the music track twice, change occuring at 0:23, fatass could have done this himself. Otherwise there are no significant editing mistakes.
Verdict: Not too awful, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy.
It would've been faster too, unless Firesale receives these in bulk drops of like 20.

Video 2: "Science Lab Partner..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

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- Not an editing mistake but I hate the stupid voice Sapnap does starting at 0:10 to the end of the video.
- Also, where's the fucking joke?
- Only one music track in the video, no real editing done.
Verdict: Awful, but not on Firesale's part, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy.

Video 3: "The Greatest Pirate I've Ever Seen..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

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- I hate the fucking pirate voices
- The only editing is once again, a single music track and cutting to another perspective at 0:22. I am still betting Dream is overpaying.
Verdict: Awful, but not on Firesale's part, but fatass could have done this in 2 minutes, therefore, fat fuck is lazy. Are you starting to notice a pattern?

Video 4: "Are You Smarter Than A Sapnap?" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

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- Woah! A new editing trick! Firesale learned how to fucking make the video zoom! Surprisingly didn't fuck this one up.
- Then again, it's extremely overused, the video practically zooms and/or pans after every single cut, it's making me a bit motion sick.
- I wish Firesale would quiet down Dream's gaggle yelling so much instead of focusing on the zooming, it's making my ears bleed. 1:15 actually gave me a fucking headache.
- 1:21, we see our first zoom out. Wow. So much effort being put into this editing, clearly firesale is being underpaid.
- 1:38 also made my head hurt. I should not have my head be hurting because firesale can't lower Sapnap's fucking audio levels.
Verdict: This video is fucking horrendous cancer and I hate Sapnap. Firesale has demonstrated a bit more editing here, but is putting his already minimal effort into repetetive effects that give motion sickness instead of the places that need it (lowering Sapnap's volume).

Video 5: "BaldBoyHalo" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

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- Practically no editing at the start.
- This video is actually part of Firesale's editing reel, which means I am going to be particularly harsh on it.
- At 0:21 the video starts rotating, Firesale surprisingly did not fuck this up, but it abruptly cuts to a different rotate and zoom out at 0:31, which really disoriented me. Normally this wouldn't be too bad (besides the fact that it disoriented me a bit), but Firesale seems to have a habit of overusing simple affects in an attempt to appear to Dream like he's actually doing something, when in reality something like this takes 2 seconds to do.
- 0:34 and beyond is fucking cancer, would it have killed Firesale to fucking lower these guy's audio? At least when other youtubers do "scream = funny hahaha" they have the decency to lower it a bit.
Verdict: This video is fucking horrendous cancer, just like the smarter than a Sapnap one. Firesale's overuse of effects is disorienting and already made me nauseous with the smarter than a Sapnap video, and Dream and Bad's yelling didn't particularly help either.

Video 6: "Tubbo is UNHINGED" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.
Finally, a longer video to dig into.

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- I actually have no qualms with the beginning twitch plug, it's short, simple, didn't blow my ears out, didn't make me motion sick, or anything like that. But it's not particularly impressive either, you have to remember that Firesale keeps boasting about his "8 years of experience" after all. An editor with a week of experience, maybe less could pull that off just as well.
- That transition is part of his streaming setup I presume, since it was tied to him switching screens, don't be fooled into thinking Firesale put more work into this than he did.
- What is with the watermark? Is that part of his stream setup or did Firesale put that in? This isn't a point against the content itself besides that it's stupid. Why does his gameplay need a watermark? He's already got his facecam, twitch chat, and you can see his minecraft character's hand.
- Can whoever keeps going "MEEHHHH!" shut the fuck up?
- The outro is just a fade in with music.
- All of the editing that stuck out to me besides the previously mentioned is just hyperactive cuts, as if Firesale (Or Sneeg if he mandated that) thinks the viewer has the attention span of a goldfish. If I missed anything it was because I was bored out of my mind.
Verdict: Boring, minimal editing. Where the hell is that 8 years of experience? The video just consists of Sneeg doing shit in the nether while people more entertaining than him talk to him.

Video 7: "World Record Weight Lifting" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.

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- Firesale overuses the zoom in and zoom out again.
- The only other editing is inserting a sound effect.
Verdict: Very little editing, but made in an attempt to look like he's doing more than he is. 8 years of experience my fucking ass.

Video 8: "Wilbur Soot Hits A Spectral Nae Nae" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.

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- Oh shit, another editing reel video!
- As I said before about this part (0:00) in the editing reel, the only real editing here is adding undertale sound effects that surprisingly aren't out of sync like the burger in the editing reel was.
- Okay, so the twitch plug is here too (0:51), which means it probably was given to Firesale to put in every video, meaning he probably didn't even create it, there goes that one compliment out of the window.
- Once again very minimal editing, what about this was so impressive as to put in his editing reel?
Verdict: How many times can I repeat "minimal editing" without coming off as uninspired as Firesale.
... Then again maybe that's all he deserves.

Video 9: "Anyone know Candice?" Uploaded by: Sneegsnag.

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- Same shill segment as last time.
- Same twitch shill as last time as well.
- Once again...... Uh.... Minor adapting.
Verdict: Um... Where are those 8 years of experience?

Video 10: "Dream Let Down Your Hair..." Uploaded by: Dream Shorts

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- The hit sounds at 0:27 and 0: are very slightly off sync from when Dream places the water. Otherwise this video has literally no editing.
Verdict: I literally have nothing to say about this video, besides that I still hate Dream Shorts.

Intermission:

Okay, so we're ten videos through, and all we've seen is extremely minimal editing from Firesale, so far I see no reason as to why he should be paid more, and in fact I argue he should be paid literal cents for this shit. Maybe a dollar or two if we're generous, becuase Dream and Sneeg could've edited these themselves and it would've probably had more editing.

For all Firesale whines about being "underpaid" for his supposed 8 years of experience, he isn't doing very much to show off his eight years of experience. Again, Dream, if you're reading this, I recommend either learning to edit these yourself (it's not that hard what Firesale is doing), or hiring an assistant that does more than editing so at least you're paying for more than basic bitch week in premiere editing.

to be continued next edit.

BONUS VIDEO (For now, this is the 13th video in the list) : "PARKOUR!" Uploaded by: Dream Shorts.
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So why did I add this as a bonus video? The editing is rather mediocre after all.

Simple, I noticed Firesale took an effect that the creator wanted to be credited when used. Personally I don't give much of a shit about this, but considering how much Dream hammers on and on about how he loves giving credit, this is very funny.

So in the video, you'll notice the shit like "Good!" "Great!" etc. right? Well these are actually taken from a video that recreated these effects from the "Mario and Luigi" games by Nintendo.
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I look forward to Dream scrambling to update the description before Twitter finds out.
Holy shit, you unraveled all of this like a god, this was a great read. Also, kudos to you for being able to sit through these videos.

Also, very minor nitpick, but it's honestly lowkey annoying how he doesn't do any sound design, or at least attempt to equalize it or make it "listen-able" because the entire experience is like ear rape nonstop because for some reason these rich fools don't want to buy a good mic, or they're just trying to do Jschlatt's signature "funny mic" but they lack any of it's character. The least Firesale can do is make the audio not painful and eargrating by doing minimal audio mixing, which is something you need to know when it comes to editing so the sound effects don't sound out of place.
Maybe then it would be understandable that he thinks he's being underpaid, but he isn't even doing that, so his whining really does hold no weight, he's just a baby who wants to get paid for nothing.
 
- Can whoever keeps going "MEEHHHH!" shut the fuck up?
FYI that person is Tubbo, I believe.

Otherwise, good analysis here. As a footnote: Is it really that difficult to balance the audio? Or do they just scream that obnoxiously loud?
 
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FYI that person is Tubbo, I believe.

Otherwise, good analysis here. As a footnote: Is it really that difficult to balance the audio? Or do they just scream that obnoxiously loud?
Audio and video editing are pretty intertwined as audio is a huge part of video productions, and considering Firesale keeps talking about his "8 years" of supposed experience, he should be able to do it quite well, but just doesn't (or does it very lazily) in favor of more forced zooms and rotations.
 
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Eight years my ass, judging from a seeming lack of attempt to equalise the volume, the faggot probably isn’t even aware he’s supposed to mix the audio, as well as make his mediocre edits. If this is eight years then he probably stretched out a year or two of learning over the course of eight years. This reeks of “random teenager pirating Adobe/vegas shit and thinking they’re an editing god” syndrome. You don’t have to be a fucking sound engineer to know that some of this shit is too loud.

If something comes up it’d make a hell of a lolcow, cause I think their narcissism, sense of entitlement and autism might be their own undoing.
 
Ngl, I feel like firesale could use his own thread if he keeps this up

Honestly I think there should be a thread for all of Dreams fucking orbiters at this point. Sapnap,george, and this arrogant editor included, so many leeches.

I dont understand why dreams editor is so ass, at least the other mcyter guys have semi decent editors that can AT LEAST audio mix. Tommy is equally loud and annoying but his editor can at least stop it from being awful. No suprise dream puts no fucking effort in though.

Edit: Looking at those shorts they should be paying replay mod for editing not firesale
 
Honestly I think there should be a thread for all of Dreams fucking orbiters at this point. Sapnap,george, and this arrogant editor included, so many leeches.

I dont understand why dreams editor is so ass, at least the other mcyter guys have semi decent editors that can AT LEAST audio mix. Tommy is equally loud and annoying but his editor can at least stop it from being awful. No suprise dream puts no fucking effort in though.

Edit: Looking at those shorts they should be paying replay mod for editing not firesale
There's a stan thread, but an orbiter thread might be better since they're not exactly stans.
 
There's a stan thread, but an orbiter thread might be better since they're not exactly stans.
The Stan thread has talked about WilburSoot before because he was being a retard, perhaps we could update that thread to include the orbiters?
Honestly I think there should be a thread for all of Dreams fucking orbiters at this point. Sapnap,george, and this arrogant editor included, so many leeches.
I think that maybe this thread could be updated to include Dream's immediate sphere, i.e his editor and other workers, and his "Dream Team" of sapnap, badboyhalo, and george, with the other youtubers in stuff like his SMP can stay in the stan thread since it already has "MCYT Orbiters" in the title.

The reason I think the guys like Sapnap, George, Firesale, etc. should stay in this thread is that they directly effect what Dream does, and Dream's content, with again, Goerge, Sapnap, and Bad directly being part of the "Dream Team", and if there's a breakup in the future it'll effect Dream and his content directly as well, and no use leaving half of that in a different thread.
 
Honestly I think there should be a thread for all of Dreams fucking orbiters at this point. Sapnap,george, and this arrogant editor included, so many leeches.
Tbh, I can't find too much lolcow behavior coming from Sapnap and George. Sure, they're Minecraft Youtubers, and that's pretty cringe, but compared to people like Clay or the PopularMMO-style creators there's not a whole lot to go off of.

Also, the false DMCA'd videos are back up. Kinda wondering what info R00ted had on that situation.
 
They recently mentioned on stream that Dream “takes care” of Sapnap. He doesn’t make him pay rent, he pays for his gas, and buys him food.
Prediction: The imbalance between their incomes and standings within the fandom compounded by Dream's ego and behaviour will lead to tensions between them. The signs are already there.

I kinda feel bad for Sapnap, I don't know if anyone here has ever moved in with their best friend, but it often doesn't go how you expect it to.
 
Bad has always struck me as super fake since I've seen more of his content, but also seemingly the one with the most morals? I've seen quite a few clips where he tells others off for swearing on stream because of kids watching, which is a fair point since Minecraft attracts a lot of young kids, meanwhile people like Dream are making everything about gay relationships and shit. It might be why he takes on the super-fake wholesome persona.

Hahahaha no. It's been massively overshadowed but he's hip-deep in pay2win PvP server drama alongside Skeppy & Co. They're all completely fake morons milking the fanbase for money without the slightest bit of shame.
 
Tbh, I can't find too much lolcow behavior coming from Sapnap and George.
The only thing close to lolcow behaviour that I can see in Sapnap and George are their stans, believe it or not their stans, especially George’s, are much worse than Dream stans. But that more so fits the stans thread.
Hahahaha no. It's been massively overshadowed but he's hip-deep in pay2win PvP server drama alongside Skeppy & Co. They're all completely fake morons milking the fanbase for money without the slightest bit of shame.
Care to elaborate?
 
Prediction: The imbalance between their incomes and standings within the fandom compounded by Dream's ego and behaviour will lead to tensions between them. The signs are already there.
Are they, though? They're both multi-millionaires raking in thousands of dollars per livestream and tens of thousands per YT video. The income discrepancy is a lot less meaningful than, say, housemates earning $28k and $180k.

If anything causes a rift in the Dream Team, it would likely be between George and Sapnap, since despite them both being "Dream's Bestfriend", there's still a large gap between the two's popularity.

Then again, Sapnap's main focus is on Twitch, not Youtube, so that could be a major factor in the apparent income/popularity gap.

The only thing close to lolcow behaviour that I can see in Sapnap and George are their stans, believe it or not their stans, especially George’s, are much worse than Dream stans. But that more so fits the stans thread.
Honestly Dream stans annoy me a lot less now than they used to. However, a LOT of the creepy possessiveness seems to have migrated from Dream to those two, probably because it's easier to simp for someone whose face you've seen. I mean, George still has some very boyish features despite being 24, and while Sapnap isn't conventionally attractive, he's far from a bad-looking dude.
 
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Hahahaha no. It's been massively overshadowed but he's hip-deep in pay2win PvP server drama alongside Skeppy & Co. They're all completely fake morons milking the fanbase for money without the slightest bit of shame.
I'd love to hear more about this considering I only know Bad's content from a cursory glance, also the info would probably be useful in general if this thread does get rolled into a general "Dream Team" thread like I suggested.

Also, the false DMCA'd videos are back up. Kinda wondering what info R00ted had on that situation.
They are, but the Pewdiepie videos that he unlisted still aren't back, I'm still wondering if the DMCA was just a cover to remove those videos quietly.
 
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They are, but the Pewdiepie videos that he unlisted still aren't back, I'm still wondering if the DMCA was just a cover to remove those videos quietly.
Filing false DMCA on your own videos is a whole other level of retarded given the legal ramifications, and honestly I kinda doubt Dream's big brained enough to come up with a scheme like this just to get away with unlisting a video

Not to mention given the timing and how buttfuckingly slow YT is dealing with content stolen from small creators (In this case "Bobby Cole"), he'd need to start DMCA'ing his videos before Pewdiepie posted his.
 
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