The Astrology of Chris Chan

[dreamsicle cake]

They're probably using the tropical Zodiac, which was popularized by William Lilly in the 1600s and is useless now. If you can go to Astrodienest and select the option for Sidereal, and then it will give you a list of other Zodiacs, use the Fagan-Allen Zodiac. It's based on the position of the zodiac that is the most current in the sky.

Here is a link to more info.
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Astrology does not use the constellations. Nope. We don't. Constellations and signs are two different things, just named the same because the constellations the signs are named after (the shapes are largely a human construct) used to align with the signs.

In astrology, we take the ecliptic and divide it up into 12 exactly equal signs of 30 degrees each. Note that constellations vary wildly in size, from about 20 to 50 degrees, yet in our charts and what we work with, each sign is exactly 30 degrees.

We then take 0 Aries and place it at the Vernal Equinox. The remaining cardinal signs all fall on the other points: 0 cancer is the summer solstice, 0 Libra the fall equinox, 0 capricorn the winter solstice. Just adjust accordingly for southern hemisphere.

The Precession of the Equinoxes that people love to trot out as proof against astrology (even from other systems of astrology, against western) is completely irrelevant to astrology. And no, it's not that the ancients didn't know about it.

So no, you can't make astronomy and astrology line up, at least not in terms of constellations and signs, since they are different constructs. However, astrology does stay true to the astronomical geometry/distance between planets, and things like new and full moons, eclipses, etc.

Some will say vedic/sidereal is "more accurate" because they account for the precession. But they do divide up the ecliptic just as we do, they just place 0 Aries at one of several different points than where we place it. And so, they have planets in signs that don't relate to the astronomical constellations as well. Both systems are valid. And each system has many other tools - much of which is very much the same, some of which is not.

 

[Autistic Sandwich]

" to me, it’s much more of a correlational science based on fractals as opposed to divining mumbo jumbo that pilfering idiots like to tout. The reason why it works as a prognostication tool is rooted in the presence and energy of a divine being."

Now you're sounding exactly like Chris with his "deity allies" stuff.

Many other children were born the same day as Chris, under the same stars, yet none of them follow your predictions.
We can blame his conduct on Uranus leaking gas, it's just as likely explanation as saying it's because he shows signs of genetic mosaicism or some other embryonic congenital anomaly.

Any interpretation is just Barnum effect at this point and hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Iamthatis]

@Mariposa Electrique do you know what the significance of the astrology symbols in Chris’s last drawing?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

We then take 0 Aries and place it at the Vernal Equinox. The remaining cardinal signs all fall on the other points: 0 cancer is the summer solstice, 0 Libra the fall equinox, 0 capricorn the winter solstice. Just adjust accordingly for southern hemisphere.

Aries, is not the vernal equinox. Those points haven't been valid for centuries. Yes, that is the fallacy of the shitty tropical zodiac. If we had used this type of wishful thinking zodiac, I wouldn't have predicted Chris' downfall years ago, which you didn't do. My initial prediction of Chris leaving 14 BC wouldn't have been so accurate.

Now you're sounding exactly like Chris with his "deity allies" stuff.

Nope, they've been studied for centuries by different philosophers, and statisticians. Even famous French Statician Michael Gauquelin, who was also a writer and psychologist found the Mars effect when studying thousands of astrological charts. His work mainly corresponded to vocations but has been applied extensively to other astrological work.

@Mariposa Electrique do you know what the significance of the astrology symbols in Chris’s last drawing?

I have no idea, these symbols don't correspond to any prominent astrological archetypes. Chris' study of the esoteric is very superficial and it's cherry-picking.

 

[dreamsicle cake]

Aries, is not the vernal equinox. Those points haven't been valid for centuries. Yes, that is the fallacy of the shitty tropical zodiac.

The signs aren't literally the constellations. Otherwise, Scorpio would only be 6 days long, Ophiuchus would be a sign and Cetus would replace Aries as a sign.

Oh, and Virgo would be 45 days long.


Tropical astrology uses the seasons. Sidereal uses the human made up constellations. Which do you think really has more of an impact on us? I'm betting on the seasons.

 

[Banh Xeo]

Very cool, astrology is fun to think about and I am glad the autism of it all can explain other autism

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

The signs aren't literally the constellations. Otherwise, Scorpio would only be 6 days long, Ophiuchus would be a sign and Cetus would replace Aries as a sign.

Oh, and Virgo would be 45 days long.


Tropical astrology uses the seasons. Sidereal uses the human made up constellations. Which do you think really has more of an impact on us? I'm betting on the seasons.

Once again, that's not Sidereal astrology. what you're talking about is visual constellation. Look up the work of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley.

Look up the famous astrologer Kenneth Bowser, without revealing too much, I've worked with him before. He predicted Trump's win, loss, as well as 9/11.

 

[dreamsicle cake]

Once again, that's not Sidereal astrology. what you're talking about is visual constellation. Look up the work of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley.

Look up the famous astrologer Kenneth Bowser, without revealing too much, I've worked with him before. He predicted Trump's win, loss, as well as 9/11.

So what are the sidereal dates based on, then? If not constellations or solstices/equinoxes.

 

[BurningPewter]

I've been thinking a lot about your "shit will hit the fan" prediction and how the heck you knew. this is fascinating

 

[Mario Incandenza]

The only difference with philosophy and astrology is that philosophy is more roundabout and vague.
The difference between engineering and astrology is that there is more theory behind engineering, and engineers can learn from their mistakes, and adjust their models based on failure.

Philosophy is a history of rational inquiry based on observation and deduction. It is roundabout and vague, I will grant, but that is far from the only distinction it has from astrology. If it weren't for philosophy we would also not have engineering, which grew alongside the course of academic inquiry to provide an objective basis for questions concerning the physical world.

That said I don't dislike astrology, but to compare it with engineering which actually gives consistent, verifiable answers, and philosophy which is responsible for all intellectual and academic development as we know it, is not acceptable.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

My sister is into astrology too. I doubt she’s as smart about it as Spanish Butterfly though.

 

[BurningPewter]

this is my chart. Not sure if it says anything glaring about me.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Philosophy is a history of rational inquiry based on observation and deduction. It is roundabout and vague, I will grant, but that is far from the only distinction it has from astrology. If it weren't for philosophy we would also not have engineering, which grew alongside the course of academic inquiry to provide an objective basis for questions concerning the physical world.

That said I don't dislike astrology, but to compare it with engineering which actually gives consistent, verifiable answers, and philosophy which is responsible for all intellectual and academic development as we know it, is not acceptable.

Read this aricle. The guy photoed in this article is Cyril Fagan. He's an astrological sperg, but he was a straight white man and a scientist, who revolutionized Sidereal Zodiac.

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Here's the article about Trump winning the 2020 election

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[dreamsicle cake]

Read this aricle. The guy photoed in this article is Cyril Fagan. He's an astrological sperg, but he was a straight white man and a scientist, who revolutionized Sidereal Zodiac.

LINK

Here's the article about Trump winning the 2020 election

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Going to answer my question?

So what are the sidereal dates based on, then? If not constellations or solstices/equinoxes.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

this is my chart. Not sure if it says anything glaring about me.

Alarmingly fortunate. If this is true, you have the same aspect as Bob Jupiter/Uranus Conjunction, but yours is angular. This is a great chart for engineers and for people who strike it rich. Wish I had this same aspect. You have the same sun sign as Trump if you used the Sidereal Zodiac, this signifies that you are quite bullheaded and stubborn and that you have a high libido. The Virgo moon indicates that you are quite intelligent but shy. My ex had a Sun in Taurus and a Virgo Moon, and he was an artist. Are you also anxious?


Saturn/Pluto in the background indicate that you're pretty tough as well, and you resist outside control. Sometimes, you feel like you carry the weight of the world.

Going to answer my question?

The article answers your question.

 

[dreamsicle cake]

Alarmingly fortunate. If this is true, you have the same aspect as Bob Jupiter/Uranus Conjunction, but yours is angular. This is a great chart for engineers and for people who strike it rich. Wish I had this same aspect. You have the same sun sign as Trump if you used the Sidereal Zodiac, this signifies that you are quite bullheaded and stubborn and that you have a high libido. The Virgo moon indicates that you are quite intelligent but shy. My ex had a Sun in Taurus and a Virgo Moon, and he was an artist. Are you also anxious?



The article answers your question.

The article you linked states that the zodiac you use is based on constellations. If that's true, then why isn't Scorpio only 6 days long since the sun only appears to pass through it from November 23-27th? Why is there a huge gap in between Aries and Cetus, when the sun is supposed to be going through Aries? Why isn't Virgo 45 days long?

Why is the sidereal zodiac better than the tropical one when constellations are given man-imagined shapes and characteristics in sidereal, while the tropical one uses seasons? Seasonal biology is scientific, constellation shapes are literally imagined by people.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

The article you linked states that the zodiac you use is based on constellations. If that's true, then why isn't Scorpio only 6 days long since the sun only appears to pass through it from November 23-27th? Why is there a huge gap in between Aries and Cetus, when the sun is supposed to be going through Aries? Why isn't Virgo 45 days long?

Why is the sidereal zodiac better than the tropical one when constellations are given man-imagined shapes and characteristics in sidereal, while the tropical one uses seasons?

Because the Sidereal zodiac is not based on visual constellations. Orpheus is part of Scorpio. it's never been part of an actual zodiac.

 

[BurningPewter]

Alarmingly fortunate. If this is true, you have the same aspect as Bob Jupiter/Uranus Conjunction, but yours is angular. This is a great chart for engineers and for people who strike it rich. Wish I had this same aspect. You have the same sun sign as Trump if you used the Sidereal Zodiac, this signifies that you are quite bullheaded and stubborn and that you have a high libido. The Virgo moon indicates that you are quite intelligent but shy. My ex had a Sun in Taurus and a Virgo Moon, and he was an artist. Are you also anxious?


Saturn/Pluto in the background indicate that you're pretty tough as well, and you resist outside control. Sometimes, you feel like you carry the weight of the world.


The article answers your question.

yeah, I have really bad anxiety, I've been trying to pluck up the energy to go on meds/ask a doctor for years. Thanks, I am shy. I don't feel like an engineer - not practical at all, although a lot of that is I never really got the chance to do anything practical (Dad was too distant to show me engines/home improvement/repairs type stuff while growing up). As for libido ..

Spoiler

i think sex/porn addiction has been an issue for me through adulthood[/ISPOILER]

 

[dreamsicle cake]

Because the Sidereal zodiac is not based on visual constellations. Orpheus is part of Scorpio. it's never been part of an actual zodiac.

Then what exactly is sidereal based on?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

yeah, I have really bad anxiety, I've been trying to pluck up the energy to go on meds/ask a doctor for years. Thanks, I am shy. I don't feel like an engineer - not practical at all, although a lot of that is I never really got the chance to do anything practical (Dad was too distant to show me engines/home improvement/repairs type stuff while growing up).

Either way, your mind is well suited to science, philosophy and thinking outside of the box in general.

@bothofmyfeethurt
To sum it up, Tropical is based on the fixed vernal points, which are not fixed. But Sidereal astrology is more based on the major fixed stars as an anchor.

i think sex/porn addiction has been an issue for me through adulthood

People with Taurus suns are like that, it's not a bad thing. It just needs balance. Why do you think Donald Trump got in trouble so often.