Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[Otterly]

Pharma companies cherry Pick. Nobody’s sat there inputting false data into the EDC for gods sake. There are many examples of pharma cherry picking data and not reporting trials - if you’d like a good layman’s account, there’s a good book by Ben Goldacre called ‘bad pharma.’
My issues with the vaccines are that I don’t think they’ve been tested correctly, I don’t think either safety or efficacy has been established and I strongly disagree with any form of coercion in medical treatment. ICHGCP regulations explicitly forbid any form of coercion whatsoever. As does all morality.
I am perfectly happy to take a vaccine that has been through the regular, normal process with a good safety dataset and am in no way ‘anti vax’ - which seems to be another label like TERFs that just means heretic these days. I’m up to date with all my other jabs, and have had a fair few not on the schedule as part of my job (rabies one was a bastard…)
Does it not worry you to have people who are asking very sensible questions like ‘hmmm not sure about this trial design’ shouted down as antivax heretics? Does it not worry you to have to flash a QR code to participate in society? The level of surveillance and control? Suspension of law? Extrajudicial punishment (which is what social credit scores are.) To have forced treatment? What if ten years down the line your dna is on file amd someone important needs a kidney and you’re forced to donate? Does that sound mad? Because all this sounded fucking insane two years ago. Does it not worry you that society is being divided any way we can be? Twenty years ago I’d be able to have an argument in the pub with someone of different politics and we’d laugh and have a pint and get on with life - now it’s your whole identity if you’re a Tory or the red team, or a terf, or any other million us/them divisions. Divide and conquer. It’s all a ploy to stop people banding together. Think about what’s going on. It’s not really about the virus. It’s about total control and consolidation of power.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I hope all the early vaxxers such as @Hollywood Hulk Hogan have booked their weekly anal swab tests and their bimonthly booster shots because otherwise they won't be allowed out in public.

Fun fact: My company may or may not have put in a bid for a contract to develop a blockchain-based application to track the movements of vaxxed individuals and ensure they don't miss their weekly coof test. Coming soon!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Pharma companies cherry Pick. Nobody’s sat there inputting false data into the EDC for gods sake. There are many examples of pharma cherry picking data and not reporting trials - if you’d like a good layman’s account, there’s a good book by Ben Goldacre called ‘bad pharma.’
My issues with the vaccines are that I don’t think they’ve been tested correctly, I don’t think either safety or efficacy has been established and I strongly disagree with any form of coercion in medical treatment. ICHGCP regulations explicitly forbid any form of coercion whatsoever. As does all morality.
I am perfectly happy to take a vaccine that has been through the regular, normal process with a good safety dataset and am in no way ‘anti vax’ - which seems to be another label like TERFs that just means heretic these days. I’m up to date with all my other jabs, and have had a fair few not on the schedule as part of my job (rabies one was a bastard…)

Like I said, what testing would suffice for your standards? So many people just say stuff like "IT HASNT BEEN TESTED!" or "ITLL KILL YOU!" and crap like that, then move the goalposts and a lot of the same arguments you folks are making are the same exact ones that anti-vaxers make about other vaccines (like "it hasnt been tested properly" or "it hasnt been tested enough" or "pharmaceutical companies cant be trusted"). If you don't trust pharmaceuticals, how can you justify working for them? Seems pretty hypocritical, no?

Does it not worry you to have people who are asking very sensible questions like ‘hmmm not sure about this trial design’ shouted down as antivax heretics? Does it not worry you to have to flash a QR code to participate in society? The level of surveillance and control? Suspension of law? Extrajudicial punishment (which is what social credit scores are.) To have forced treatment? What if ten years down the line your dna is on file amd someone important needs a kidney and you’re forced to donate? Does that sound mad? Because all this sounded fucking insane two years ago. Does it not worry you that society is being divided any way we can be? Twenty years ago I’d be able to have an argument in the pub with someone of different politics and we’d laugh and have a pint and get on with life - now it’s your whole identity if you’re a Tory or the red team, or a terf, or any other million us/them divisions. Divide and conquer. It’s all a ploy to stop people banding together. Think about what’s going on. It’s not really about the virus. It’s about total control and consolidation of power.

The problem is, again, that many people who are voicing those "concerns" are anti-vax in general and have no idea what they really want (as I mentioned above). They just constantly move the goalposts. Even now, it's been over a year since vaccine trials started and there's been very, very few adverse reactions, yet you are still claiming it's not enough time. How long will be enough for you?

And how do you know that it's not the side you're on that's being stupid about the situation? So many people are saying shit like the vaccines are 5G, or tracking devices, or will kill you in 3 months. Or that it's all just made up and there is no covid and it's just a government plot to take away freedoms.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Ha, the illiterate janitor is touting the 5G strawman. Isn't that why you got the vaccine in the first place, to get better reception?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Ha, the illiterate janitor is touting the 5G strawman. Isn't that why you got the vaccine in the first place, to get better reception?

Poor man can't sneed, what can you say.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Poor man can't sneed, what can you say.

Sneed isn't even in his vocabulary, the man can barely chuck.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

They asked, but since there is no reliable way to know for sure (antibody test gives a ton of false positives), I am not sure what you'd have them do.


You didn't even address my point there.


So you're a doctor but don't even know how FDA approval process works? The companies doing the studies constantly give their data to the FDA, who then reviews it. They don't just make up their own data. Yes there are cases where it has issues, but those are overall pretty rare and I don't see people tardraging about other drugs.


I already told you the flaws with the Indian study, where even the people doing the study said that it was not really a valid data set.


But you said earlier you work for pharmaceutical research. Plus, an OR doctor is a surgeon (or do you mean a DO?). Changing your story, eh?

You can admit you're lying or super heavily biased any time now.

Hey, otterly happens to be part of the task force trying to find the pharmakinetics of the lipid vector. Now please give her time to look through the thesaurus to compose a word salad on what that means.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Ha, the illiterate janitor is touting the 5G strawman. Isn't that why you got the vaccine in the first place, to get better reception?

Hey, if you guys are spouting strawmans, I get to do it, too.

BTW, isn't Trump coming back in 2 weeks? Or did Q tell you a different date now?

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Like I said, what testing would suffice for your standards? So many people just say stuff like "IT HASNT BEEN TESTED!" or "ITLL KILL YOU!" and crap like that, then move the goalposts and a lot of the same arguments you folks are making are the same exact ones that anti-vaxers make about other vaccines (like "it hasnt been tested properly" or "it hasnt been tested enough" or "pharmaceutical companies cant be trusted"). If you don't trust pharmaceuticals, how can you justify working for them? Seems pretty hypocritical, no?

The problem is, again, that many people who are voicing those "concerns" are anti-vax in general and have no idea what they really want (as I mentioned above). They just constantly move the goalposts. Even now, it's been over a year since vaccine trials started and there's been very, very few adverse reactions, yet you are still claiming it's not enough time. How long will be enough for you?

And how do you know that it's not the side you're on that's being stupid about the situation? So many people are saying shit like the vaccines are 5G, or tracking devices, or will kill you in 3 months. Or that it's all just made up and there is no covid and it's just a government plot to take away freedoms.

Whatever testing method that gives a result that conforms to their power fantasy: the government is deploying death needles to kill every single loyalist, leaving them alone with every single rebel, for some reason.

 

[Windex]

I know this is a long shot but Kiwis are an eclectic group, so…is anyone familiar with the newest info coming out about immune-modulated thrombosis disorders & covid vaccine problems? After reading this today I am wondering if this is going to end up a contraindication.

FYI: (APLs (antiphospholipid antibodies)are tied to antiphospholipid syndrome (APS), an immune-mediated clotting disorder w/ predisposition to recurrent clots and miscarriage, many/most? Women don’t even know they have it until their first miscarriage or unprovoked clot.)

Relevant snippet that has me concerned:

“The link connecting COVID-19 vaccines to thrombotic events is however unclear, although an immune-mediated mechanism, akin to what happens in APS, could be a possibility. Furthermore, the majority of vaccinated people who developed severe coagulation disorders were young women, who also represent the target population of APS.”

Spoiler: Powerlevel

I am scheduled for vaccination tomorrow, but my rheumatologist just informed me about the APS connection and stated that the benefits outweigh the risks **as we know them** and seemed a bit hesitant so now I’m a bit gun shy

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Whatever testing method that gives a result that conforms to their power fantasy: the government is deploying death needles to kill every single loyalist, leaving them alone with every single rebel, for some reason.

That's a pretty far out scenario.

More likely is that big pharma just wants to make vaxxers into customers-for-life, just like they did with the troons and their titty skittles. Booster shots every few months, a rigorous testing schedule using certified test kits from the right manufacturers, and many more vaxxer-exclusive DLCs coming soon.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

That's a pretty far out scenario.

More likely is that big pharma just wants to make vaxxers into customers-for-life, just like they did with the troons and their titty skittles. Booster shots every few months, a rigorous testing schedule using certified test kits from the right manufacturers, and many more vaxxer-exclusive DLCs coming soon.

>make vaxxers loyal customers
>prevalence of disease deaths drop from brand loyalty

Wow, they sound incredibly based.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

>make vaxxers loyal customers
>prevalence of disease deaths drop from brand loyalty

Wow, they sound incredibly based.

How exactly will the prevalence of disease deaths drop?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I know this is a long shot but Kiwis are an eclectic group, so…is anyone familiar with the newest info coming out about immune-modulated thrombosis disorders & covid vaccine problems? After reading this today I am wondering if this is going to end up a contraindication.

FYI: (APLs (antiphospholipid antibodies)are tied to antiphospholipid syndrome (APS), an immune-mediated clotting disorder w/ predisposition to recurrent clots and miscarriage, many/most? Women don’t even know they have it until their first miscarriage or unprovoked clot.)

Relevant snippet that has me concerned:

“The link connecting COVID-19 vaccines to thrombotic events is however unclear, although an immune-mediated mechanism, akin to what happens in APS, could be a possibility. Furthermore, the majority of vaccinated people who developed severe coagulation disorders were young women, who also represent the target population of APS.”

Spoiler: Powerlevel

I am scheduled for vaccination tomorrow, but my rheumatologist just informed me about the APS connection and stated that the benefits outweigh the risks **as we know them** and seemed a bit hesitant so now I’m a bit gun shy

From a purely unbiased standpoint an "unclear" result means just that: unclear, and its a bit erronous to read too far into unclear results.
I think its wrong to use "unclear" results as proof of COVID = MEGA DOOM!!!, so in the interest of fairness I would caution against using unclear results as proof of Vaccine = MEGA DOOM!!!

From a less unbiased standpoint, I would not get the vaccine if you are a female and are pregnant and/or want kids; or even if you are a male and don't trust the collectivist bugmen wanting you to participate in their vax campaign.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

How exactly will the prevalence of disease deaths drop?

Because in addition to assisting in prevention, inoculation significantly reduces the odds of death.

This is literally immunity 101.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Because in addition to assisting in prevention, inoculation significantly reduces the odds of death.

This is literally immunity 101.

Okay, and now tell me how that will work long term.

 

[Vecr]

Okay, and now tell me how that will work long term.

T-cells, at least partially. There are different types, but combined they signal to B-cells to re-start antibody production, and kill infected cells.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Okay, and now tell me how that will work long term.

If the virus mutates enough to render current immunity ineffective, then you can simply devise a new one for the new mutation, which thanks to mRNA technology (actually, the whole fucking significance of it lol) is a much more feasible task.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

If the virus mutates enough to render current immunity ineffective, then you can simply devise a new one for the new mutation, which thanks to mRNA technology (actually, the whole fucking significance of it lol) is a much more feasible task.

Awesome, so you guys are gonna have a biological arms race with a deadly virus (while making big pharma very wealthy with your regiment of booster shots, tests, and treatment for the future side effects), while we'll just take ivermectin if we get sniffles.

T-cells, at least partially. There are different types, but combined they signal to B-cells to re-start antibody production, and kill infected cells.

On paper, yes. Yet results from highly vaccinated countries like Israel show that the idea was hopelessly optimistic.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Awesome, so you guys are gonna have a biological arms race with a deadly virus (while making big pharma very wealthy with your regiment of booster shots, tests, and treatment for the future side effects), while we'll just take ivermectin if we get sniffles.

Son, the human race is in a perpetual war with any infectious disease. And yes, people who make stuff that saves people's lives tend to get money, well earned money.

On paper, yes. Yet results from highly vaccinated countries like Israel show that the idea was hopelessly optimistic.

The results show the vaccines make a clear reduction of death.